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kato 05-19-2005 07:52 PM
My Opinion on this Vegas Arguement
 
Now I am kinda new here and I know this has been beat to death but here is my take on the Vegas shows,if anyone cares.

Back when this was first announced Stevie made a few statements about how the show was going to be,we all know what she said.
So the shows have came and went and there are mixed reactions.
The set was not much different.
She didn't take the mic out.(big deal)
The Shirts sucked.(agreed)
These are some of the arguements going on here.
Oh and some critic wasn't totally blown away as if we care.
On the plane ride over myself and some of the "real" fans were discussing how we think the show will go.
We all came to the conclusion that there would be a few surprises but not the entire set rearranged,which is what happened.
Guess what,we all loved the show and all had a great time.
There seem to be some people here that have a HUGE problem with the set list.Get over it.It's her show and she is gonna do what she wants.
So it wasn't to much different.She looked and sounded great.What do want to do? Have her shot?
It is a womans perogative to change her mind right?
I don't know many people here but it seems that all the negativity is coming from people who are not the real fans just trouble makers who have nothing better to do than come on a message board and steam others up.
That's all I got to say about that,and whoever doesn't like it,tough ****.

Janet 05-19-2005 07:53 PM
The last thread was closed for a reason. Please let it go. Thanks:)

GateandGarden 05-19-2005 07:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kato
It is a womans perogative to change her mind right?
"Well, that's a woman's right, they say." :nod:

Seriously though, thanks for telling us what you thought of it.

High Priestess 05-19-2005 07:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kato
Now I am kinda new here and I know this has been beat to death but here is my take on the Vegas shows,if anyone cares.

Back when this was first announced Stevie made a few statements about how the show was going to be,we all know what she said.
So the shows have came and went and there are mixed reactions.
The set was not much different.
She didn't take the mic out.(big deal)
The Shirts sucked.(agreed)
These are some of the arguements going on here.
Oh and some critic wasn't totally blown away as if we care.
On the plane ride over myself and some of the "real" fans were discussing how we think the show will go.
We all came to the conclusion that there would be a few surprises but not the entire set rearranged,which is what happened.
Guess what,we all loved the show and all had a great time.
There seem to be some people here that have a HUGE problem with the set list.Get over it.It's her show and she is gonna do what she wants.
So it wasn't to much different.She looked and sounded great.What do want to do? Have her shot?
It is a womans perogative to change her mind right?
I don't know many people here but it seems that all the negativity is coming from people who are not the real fans just trouble makers who have nothing better to do than come on a message board and steam others up.
That's all I got to say about that,and whoever doesn't like it,tough ****.
Thank GOD..we live in a country where we are free to speak our truth just as you just did..DO NOT make the mistake of condeming others for expressing theirs! Thanks! :p

kato 05-19-2005 07:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Janet
The last thread was closed for a reason. Please let it go. Thanks:)
Sorry I didn' realize this,feel free to delete it if you wish.

kato 05-19-2005 08:00 PM
Not condeming anyone,I should have put this in the original post but if you are fans why **** all over her?

Janet 05-19-2005 08:01 PM
No I won't delete this...

It is a wonderful thing to share opinions, but there are ways to do it. Some people just seem to want to share their feelings as rashly as they know how to push buttons.

Whatever, I just don't want the personal attacks to keep happening that is all.

kato 05-19-2005 08:03 PM
No personal attacks,that's kid stuff.
It's just puzzling to me that people that are fans would come on here and raise such a **** storm.

AliceLover 05-19-2005 08:32 PM
I was one of the idiots here Tuesday night at 12 o clock at night when i had to be in school the next morning. Was I disappointed? yes. Was I completeley let down? no. After hearing If Anyone Falls I feel that this made the show for me and I am quite happy with it. Yes beauty and the beast was great, but i like IAF more.


Overall, I thought these were great shows and im happy to see a favorite of mine be performed :)

kato 05-19-2005 08:46 PM
"How Still My Love" did it for me.

dissention 05-19-2005 09:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kato
It is a womans perogative to change her mind right?
That's my prerogative.

"You see, Bobby wasn't blown away by me and I wasn't blown away by Bobby. But that night when we first met, we had hot, sweaty monkey love, we smoked some luscious weed, and the stars aligned. I knew he was the man for me, the KING of R&B, mmkay? THE KING. Doesn't matter what Cissy says or what Dionne says. When I took my vows, I meant them, for better or for worse. I said them in front of God, I said them in front of MY JESUS. SO don't believe what you read, because our love? Is for real. Don't hate, bitches. And just for the record, DI-ANE, crack is whack. Do you smoke it, DI-ANE? Huh?"

GateandGarden 05-19-2005 10:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dissention
That's my prerogative.

"You see, Bobby wasn't blown away by me and I wasn't blown away by Bobby. But that night when we first met, we had hot, sweaty monkey love, we smoked some luscious weed, and the stars aligned. I knew he was the man for me, the KING of R&B, mmkay? THE KING. Doesn't matter what Cissy says or what Dionne says. When I took my vows, I meant them, for better or for worse. I said them in front of God, I said them in front of MY JESUS. SO don't believe what you read, because our love? Is for real. Don't hate, bitches. And just for the record, DI-ANE, crack is whack. Do you smoke it, DI-ANE? Huh?"
Are you delirious? :laugh:

CreepingDeath 05-19-2005 10:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dissention
That's my prerogative.

"You see, Bobby wasn't blown away by me and I wasn't blown away by Bobby. But that night when we first met, we had hot, sweaty monkey love, we smoked some luscious weed, and the stars aligned. I knew he was the man for me, the KING of R&B, mmkay? THE KING. Doesn't matter what Cissy says or what Dionne says. When I took my vows, I meant them, for better or for worse. I said them in front of God, I said them in front of MY JESUS. SO don't believe what you read, because our love? Is for real. Don't hate, bitches. And just for the record, DI-ANE, crack is whack. Do you smoke it, DI-ANE? Huh?"
Alright. How the hell did Whitney get in here?

ontheEdgeof17 05-19-2005 10:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CreepingDeath
Alright. How the hell did Whitney get in here?

Bobby punched her so hard it knocked her out of the Crack Chat into here. :shrug:

dissention 05-19-2005 10:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GateandGarden
Are you delirious? :laugh:
NO! It's not like I smoke crack. Crack is cheap. Crack is too cheap for me. I'm too good for crack. Because crack is whack.

glitter_fades 05-19-2005 10:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dissention
NO! It's not like I smoke crack. Crack is cheap. Crack is too cheap for me. I'm too good for crack. Because crack is whack.
Didn't she say that after swiping some weed out of Stevie's purse at Diva's Las Vegas? :lol:

Livia 05-19-2005 10:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dissention
That's my prerogative.

"You see, Bobby wasn't blown away by me and I wasn't blown away by Bobby. But that night when we first met, we had hot, sweaty monkey love, we smoked some luscious weed, and the stars aligned. I knew he was the man for me, the KING of R&B, mmkay? THE KING. Doesn't matter what Cissy says or what Dionne says. When I took my vows, I meant them, for better or for worse. I said them in front of God, I said them in front of MY JESUS. SO don't believe what you read, because our love? Is for real. Don't hate, bitches. And just for the record, DI-ANE, crack is whack. Do you smoke it, DI-ANE? Huh?"
Was that your monologue in drama class? Brilliant! :laugh:

dissention 05-19-2005 10:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by glitter_fades
Didn't she say that after swiping some weed out of Stevie's purse at Diva's Las Vegas? :lol:
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

dissention 05-19-2005 10:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Livia
Was that your monologue in drama class? Brilliant! :laugh:
Honey, I do the best Whitney in the world. No one compares to me. :laugh:

GateandGarden 05-19-2005 10:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Livia
Was that your monologue in drama class? Brilliant! :laugh:
:lol::lol:

eyemakeupdark 05-19-2005 11:12 PM
IF U keep closing threads ! soon there will be no light
 
NOW I know Well I was wrong to listen to the jim ladd interview
If i had my trip to live over I would never Dream I still wish u gone and i will hire back up dancers !


difference of opinion is good
chronic whining is not but no one is on these that much anyway and if it was nt for the debates between ledge Z All we would be left with is banal narratives on how so and so checked in to their hotel and ate 3 steaks before going to the concert and then went to margaritaville etc etc etc

Janet 05-19-2005 11:26 PM
The difference of opinion between High Priestess and the other ledgies was not the reason the thread was closed. It would be nice if we all loved Stevie no matter what, but we all have different opinions which are welcome.

The problem came with personal attacks. We really don't want anyone personally attacking anyone else. These boards should be a place we feel "safe" and no one should be singled out and "attacked".

Also, when threads are started just to start trouble, it's best to close them and forget it before anything really verbal starts. There is arguing and there are unecessary verbal attacks and fighting.

Threads are closed very rarely and we try always to keep them open...

Hopefully it won't happen again for a very long time!:)

amber 05-20-2005 12:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
Bobby punched her so hard it knocked her out of the Crack Chat into here. :shrug:
:lol: :laugh: :lol:
"Crack Chat! You bet we're up all night!"
I've mentioned I love you, right? :laugh:

Johnny Stew 05-20-2005 12:10 AM
I'm sorry I wasn't around earlier today, to intervene... but I thank Janet for handling matters.

Just to reiterate... slandering and defaming other Ledgies will NOT be tolerated. Neither will personal feuds.

As always, those who don't want to follow our rules and guidelines are free to leave. But if you stay and continue causing trouble, it'll no longer be your choice to leave.
It's as easy as that.

Kelly 05-20-2005 08:14 AM
Hi Kato! How are you? We will look for you in Philly...where are you sitting? Riss and I have second row..but hopefully we will be standing.
I totally agree with everything you have said. I felt sorry for Stevie yesterday reading what some of her "fans" had to say about her. This stuff filters back to her eventually, perhaps that was the intent..to inform Stevie she was a miserable disappointment? I loved the show and do not need stupid boas or video clips to make me happy. She did not give me crumbs....she gave me joy.

High Priestess 05-20-2005 09:34 AM
Kato
No one is causing a "****storm"...
I have had much support on this subject here and on other sites that many felt letdown. We are simply pointing out her inacuracies in what she claimed to be presenting.I thought we were seeing something new..exciting and never seen before as she claimed in several Pre Show Interviews..so yes many who took of work..paid hundreds of dollars and traveled far to see this REHASH are not pleased. We have the right as fans to express our opinions.We do not all have to agree that she was wonderful in this particular Venue! I have received so much mail of support too..from fans that were there!

High Priestess 05-20-2005 09:38 AM
OR - Maybe Stevie just might learn something from this..Wow..Imagine that?

High Priestess 05-20-2005 09:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
I'm sorry I wasn't around earlier today, to intervene... but I thank Janet for handling matters.

Just to reiterate... slandering and defaming other Ledgies will NOT be tolerated. Neither will personal feuds.

As always, those who don't want to follow our rules and guidelines are free to leave. But if you stay and continue causing trouble, it'll no longer be your choice to leave.
It's as easy as that.
Johnny
Yes it got a bit out of hand.
It is important that both sides of the Vegas debate are presented.
I do LOVE Stevie! But..I feel letdown by the show..that's all.
It is hard not to respond to childish nonesense and baiting.
We are not all as fans required to agree she is wonderful 100% of the time!

SuzeQuze 05-20-2005 09:58 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by High Priestess
Kato
No one is causing a "****storm"...
I have had much support on this subject here and on other sites that many felt letdown. We are simply pointing out her inacuracies in what she claimed to be presenting.I thought we were seeing something new..exciting and never seen before as she claimed in several Pre Show Interviews..so yes many who took of work..paid hundreds of dollars and traveled far to see this REHASH are not pleased. We have the right as fans to express our opinions.We do not all have to agree that she was wonderful in this particular Venue! I have received so much mail of support too..from fans that were there!
Yes, a lot of people do have that opinion. But to call it a "REHASH" is overstating things. There was footage behind Stevie which we've never seen before, she did use a couple of new and some old clothing on stage, she did pull out some old songs (3) that she hasn't done in a long time, that I have never seen live. You are exaggerating your case. Did the show live up to the hype in the Jim Ladd interview? No. I think everyone agrees with you on that. Is Stevie a "liar"? I don't think so! As someone else stated, she's a bit flaky (I mean that in a loving way :) ) and she can get excited and get ahead of herself, in a kind of child like way. Her dream of the show and the reality of what she could accomplish just didn't match up. However, I had one of the best times in my life going to those 2 shows. She was on fire and performed better than I've ever seen her perform. That's all that matters to me.

High Priestess 05-20-2005 10:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by eyemakeupdark
NOW I know Well I was wrong to listen to the jim ladd interview
If i had my trip to live over I would never Dream I still wish u gone and i will hire back up dancers !


difference of opinion is good
chronic whining is not but no one is on these that much anyway and if it was nt for the debates between ledge Z All we would be left with is banal narratives on how so and so checked in to their hotel and ate 3 steaks before going to the concert and then went to margaritaville etc etc etc
I agree..Thank you for listening to the Jim Ladd Interview..she gave many more in Vegas that week saying the same & more..
Just creating a healthy reality check!

High Priestess 05-20-2005 10:18 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuzeQuze
Yes, a lot of people do have that opinion. But to call it a "REHASH" is overstating things. There was footage behind Stevie which we've never seen before, she did use a couple of new and some old clothing on stage, she did pull out some old songs (3) that she hasn't done in a long time, that I have never seen live. You are exaggerating your case. Did the show live up to the hype in the Jim Ladd interview? No. I think everyone agrees with you on that. Is Stevie a "liar"? I don't think so! As someone else stated, she's a bit flaky (I mean that in a loving way :) ) and she can get excited and get ahead of herself, in a kind of child like way. Her dream of the show and the reality of what she could accomplish just didn't match up. However, I had one of the best times in my life going to those 2 shows. She was on fire and performed better than I've ever seen her perform. That's all that matters to me.
Suze
I agree that the show had some merit..I never said it didn't. But thank you
for supporting my point. It went beyond the Jim Ladd Interview..she gave many more in Vegas too proceeding the opening.Again..I love & support Stevie.I agree she does get caught up in her visions.. :nod:

skcin 05-20-2005 10:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by High Priestess
Kato
No one is causing a "****storm"...
I have had much support on this subject here and on other sites that many felt letdown. We are simply pointing out her inacuracies in what she claimed to be presenting.I thought we were seeing something new..exciting and never seen before as she claimed in several Pre Show Interviews..so yes many who took of work..paid hundreds of dollars and traveled far to see this REHASH are not pleased. We have the right as fans to express our opinions.We do not all have to agree that she was wonderful in this particular Venue! I have received so much mail of support too..from fans that were there!
Everyone has the right to their opinions, and yes, several people were disappointed by Vegas (I was not one of them, but I understand that some would be. I was also "a person who was THERE", btw.) If you look back, there were a few threads discussing that disappointment already, we really didn't need another one. There are far too many duplicate threads here (right Diss? ;) )

It's one thing to state your opinion in an intelligent, thought-out, well written manner. It's quite another to scream at people through every single post (you do know that typing IN ALL CAPS is considered poor netiquette since it implies that you are screaming the words you type, don't you?) and disregard others' opinions completely. You have been ranting about "freedom of speech" but you don't want to hear it if someone has a difference of opinion? :shrug:

Also - yes, Amber & Jill were offended by your screaming posts and they may have responded in a way that you perceived as inappropriate, but claiming that a person neglects their children or is an "ignorant slut" is way over the line. Flipping the bird is one thing - slandering a person's reputation is quite another.

I don't know why you became so enraged that people were offended by what they perceived as your rude & agressive posts - what did you expect? :shrug: I don't really care if you didn't like the show - you have the right to your opinions. What I don't appreciate is you name-calling & putting people down for having a different opinion than you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by High Priestess
Johnny
Yes it got a bit out of hand.
It is important that both sides of the Vegas debate are presented.
I do LOVE Stevie! But..I feel letdown by the show..that's all.
It is hard not to respond to childish nonesense and baiting.
We are not all as fans required to agree she is wonderful 100% of the time!
If you had written a post such as what you just wrote above, maybe it wouldn't have gotten out of hand. You did NOT merely say "I love Stevie, but I felt let down by the show."

You did, however, yell about how Stevie "promised" us something and how "we deserved better." I don't recall Stevie promising anything - and I also read/heard the interviews, as you did.) And the "I always tell the truth" and "I just want to set the record straight?" Those are your opinions, feelings, thoughts. NOT fact, NOT truth. Nobody here said that their positive review was "the truth" - they just wanted to express how they felt about the shows.

And since this is a free country & we are all allowed to express our opinions (sound familiar?), then you must understand that that goes for everyone, whether you agree with them or not. A person is not lying, or trying to cover up the truth, or sugar-coating anything just because they had a great time & thought it was a great show & told us about it here - that's their opinion. I've read all reviews - good and bad. I like to read what others think, whether I agree with them or not :nod: .

I don't want to argue with people (you included, High Priestess.) I come here to chat, have fun, express my opinions, get info about Stevie & Mac. I have enough stress in my life without worrying about this place :rolleyes: .

Love you guys! :xoxo:

cliffdweller 05-20-2005 10:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuzeQuze
Is Stevie a "liar"? I don't think so! As someone else stated, she's a bit flaky (I mean that in a loving way :) ) and she can get excited and get ahead of herself, in a kind of child like way. Her dream of the show and the reality of what she could accomplish just didn't match up.
...and she never promised specific things like, "I'm definitely gonna do this song, and I'm definitely going to put this footage up on the screen, etc.." From the Ladd interview, I got the general impression that she was going to do songs that she hadn't done in a while, which she did. I think if anyone was under the false impression that she was gonna sing songs she's never sung before live, then that's a bit of one's own delusion. I mean, do you really think that's gonna happen for the Vegas crowd?? And Stevie's inclination to play it safe with her setlists is another clue that that wasn't gonna happen. Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the Ladd interview she was just throwing out suggestions of what she might sing not necessarily what she was definitely singing. From the pictures, her outfits were GORGEOUS!! What more could you ask for there? And the footage, well, she did mention some things she wanted to show, but she never promised anything 100%. I guess you just have to know that with Stevie, nothing's ever certain but what is certain is that she's going to play it safe doing things and singing songs that she feels comfortable with. I don't know...I just think everyone was expecting too much, Stevie's never gonna go out on a limb, I think we should all just get used to that. Just $.02 from someone who wished she could've gone :angel:.

GateandGarden 05-20-2005 11:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by High Priestess
It is hard not to respond to childish nonesense and baiting.
You know, that's true. That's why people like Amber and Jill responded to your posts.

I have no problems with your opinion of the show. None whatsoever. It just baffles me how you don't see how you've baited and yelled at people with all-caps and such and that caused a "****storm," as kato said. Also, your insistence that we're all bootlegging scumbags was so disturbing to a poster in another thread that the poster is now loath to post on The Ledge.

Rickypt 05-20-2005 11:15 AM
This all really boils down quite simply. Some were disappointed in the show, sounds like the majority thought it was great. Some had the time of their lives. I think the setlist was crap, others are just fine with it. I will never know why Stevie wastes her encore with the Petty song, others think it "rocks".

I get the sense that some people are furious that not everyone sees it their way, either positive of negative. And that's what is leading to these really dumb flame wars.

However, no one denies that Stevie looked and sounded great. If I were Stevie, that's what I'd want to know from my fans. She knows she can't please everyone with her setlist, but if they can all go away saying that she looked and sounded great...sounds like a great success to me.

BTFLCHLD 05-20-2005 11:19 AM
some of the wording stevie used reminded me of perhaps a vegas bobbytrendy-type employee bolstering her appearance prior to the show.."this show will be fabbbulous...like nothing you've ever done before!" id repeat that statement too...especially since it's true ;)

her vegas show is/was something stevie wants/wanted to do...
IMO more power to her...and i pray everything is/was as she wished.

bottom line...IMO...stevie didn't/doesn't ever disappoint me...
no matter the song...no matter the venue...no matter...what?

:wavey: rockon

strandinthewind 05-20-2005 11:20 AM
BTFLCHLD

You sig. video is waaaayyyyyyy cool!

BTFLCHLD 05-20-2005 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
BTFLCHLD You sig. video is waaaayyyyyyy cool!
:cool: thanks! :wavey:

SuzeQuze 05-20-2005 11:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by skcin
Everyone has the right to their opinions, and yes, several people were disappointed by Vegas (I was not one of them, but I understand that some would be. I was also "a person who was THERE", btw.) If you look back, there were a few threads discussing that disappointment already, we really didn't need another one. There are far too many duplicate threads here (right Diss? ;) )

It's one thing to state your opinion in an intelligent, thought-out, well written manner. It's quite another to scream at people through every single post (you do know that typing IN ALL CAPS is considered poor netiquette since it implies that you are screaming the words you type, don't you?) and disregard others' opinions completely. You have been ranting about "freedom of speech" but you don't want to hear it if someone has a difference of opinion? :shrug:

Also - yes, Amber & Jill were offended by your screaming posts and they may have responded in a way that you perceived as inappropriate, but claiming that a person neglects their children or is an "ignorant slut" is way over the line. Flipping the bird is one thing - slandering a person's reputation is quite another.

I don't know why you became so enraged that people were offended by what they perceived as your rude & agressive posts - what did you expect? :shrug: I don't really care if you didn't like the show - you have the right to your opinions. What I don't appreciate is you name-calling & putting people down for having a different opinion than you.



If you had written a post such as what you just wrote above, maybe it wouldn't have gotten out of hand. You did NOT merely say "I love Stevie, but I felt let down by the show."

You did, however, yell about how Stevie "promised" us something and how "we deserved better." I don't recall Stevie promising anything - and I also read/heard the interviews, as you did.) And the "I always tell the truth" and "I just want to set the record straight?" Those are your opinions, feelings, thoughts. NOT fact, NOT truth. Nobody here said that their positive review was "the truth" - they just wanted to express how they felt about the shows.

And since this is a free country & we are all allowed to express our opinions (sound familiar?), then you must understand that that goes for everyone, whether you agree with them or not. A person is not lying, or trying to cover up the truth, or sugar-coating anything just because they had a great time & thought it was a great show & told us about it here - that's their opinion. I've read all reviews - good and bad. I like to read what others think, whether I agree with them or not :nod: .

I don't want to argue with people (you included, High Priestess.) I come here to chat, have fun, express my opinions, get info about Stevie & Mac. I have enough stress in my life without worrying about this place :rolleyes: .

Love you guys! :xoxo:
What a great post, Paula. :) You rock! :nod: :xoxo:

SuzeQuze 05-20-2005 11:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by strandinthewind
BTFLCHLD

You sig. video is waaaayyyyyyy cool!
Agreed! That was definitely new since I have never seen Stevie sing from inside the blue lamp before! :D Love it!


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