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Livia 05-18-2005 09:13 PM

Trial beginning for driver that killed the FM fans
 
Sad news, but I'm hoping the system works...

http://www.journalnow.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=WSJ%2FMGArticle%2FWSJ_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1031782784236&path=!localnews&s=1037645509099

Trial starts for man in fatal I-40 wreck
Police say that alcohol seems to have been an influence in accident

GREENSBORO

A man involved in a 2003 wreck on Interstate 40 that left three Davie County sisters dead appeared to have been under the influence of alcohol, witnesses testified during the first day of testimony in the man's trial yesterday.

Jeffrey Niles McFayden is charged with driving while impaired and three counts of second-degree murder in the deaths of Tara Howell Parker, 29; Mysti Howell Poplin, 24; and their half sister, Megan Elizabeth Howell, 16. Parker was married to Shawn Parker, who was a NASCAR crew chief.

A jury is hearing the case in Guilford Superior Court

E.K. Wrenn, a Greensboro police officer, testified that after he was called to the scene, "there was an odor of alcohol," on McFayden.

Assistant District Attorney Howard Neumann asked Wrenn if McFayden said anything after the wreck. Wrenn said that McFayden told him that his truck was in bad shape.

"I told him that he messed up his life and he killed someone," Townsend said. "He kept talking about his truck."

Neumann called nine witnesses who mainly described what they saw and heard the night of the wreck

The collision happened about 11:30 p.m. on Sept. 10 as the sisters were traveling home from Greensboro after a Fleetwood Mac concert in a rented limousine. The limousine was stopped in traffic and was hit from behind by a pickup driven by McFayden. The limousine traveled 69 feet from the point of impact, according to testimony.

A truck driver who was nearby when the wreck occurred testified that the pickup passed him traveling at nearly 80 mph.

In a sworn affidavit, a truck driver named Michael Jordan testified that McFayden was "stepping on it" when he passed him. Jordan then said he heard a "boom" and saw flames about 15 feet high.

Anthony Townsend, a FedEx truck driver, said that he also heard a boom. He then got a fire extinguisher from his truck and ran to the limousine, but he couldn't put out the fire, he said.

McFayden, who was brought into the courtroom in handcuffs, kept his head turned away from the victims' family. He would occasionally turn to talk with his attorney, Krispen Culbertson.

Neumann said he would call at least 10 additional witnesses today to finish the state's presentation.

• Titan Barksdale can be reached at 727-7377 or at [email protected]

WelshWitchPMD 05-18-2005 09:18 PM

Sadly he walked away. I hope that he never sees the light of day or his truck!

GardenStateGirlie 05-18-2005 09:19 PM

I still remember Meredith calling me because she had been sitting in traffic and saw smoke but didn't know what was going on. Very sad. Hopefully justice will be served.

dissention 05-18-2005 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia
"I told him that he messed up his life and he killed someone," Townsend said. "He kept talking about his truck."

How disturbing. Gave me the willies.

I hope they throw the book at him.

GateandGarden 05-18-2005 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia
"I told him that he messed up his life and he killed someone," Townsend said. "He kept talking about his truck."

That's just awful and unbelievable. :distress:

GODDESS6 05-19-2005 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by WelshWitchPMD
Sadly he walked away. I hope that he never sees the light of day or his truck!

amen sister!~

lagringader&r 05-19-2005 05:08 PM

Wow that is so sad. :( My heart goes out to the family.

Livia 05-21-2005 12:51 PM

Guilty! Daniel posted on chit-chat:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showthread.php?t=19472

Hawkeye 05-21-2005 01:02 PM

im sure the deciding factor for the Jury was the Fleetwood Mac factor. Without the fact they were mac fans this guy would've walked :laugh: :laugh:

Livia 05-21-2005 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux
Not really. Involuntary manslaughter would indicate that he was found to be not entirely at fault. Anyhoo....

Huh? I think it's a matter of involuntary vs. voluntary - he didn't purposely ram his car into theirs "voluntarily," with the intent to kill. Tragic as it was, he didn't do it on purpose. People who kill others in car accidents are never indicted as "murderers."

strandinthewind 05-21-2005 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia
Huh? I think it's a matter of involuntary vs. voluntary - he didn't purposely ram his car into theirs "voluntarily," with the intent to kill. Tragic as it was, he didn't do it on purpose. People who kill others in car accidents are never indicted as "murderers."

If alcohol is involved, some states will presume intent from the choice to drive under the influence and then bump it up from manslaughter, but it is, I think, a rare occurence.

Merf 05-21-2005 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye
im sure the deciding factor for the Jury was the Fleetwood Mac factor. Without the fact they were mac fans this guy would've walked :laugh: :laugh:

Great time to joke. :rolleyes:

I drove through a thick cloud of smoke on I-85 that night, obstructing my view of the road. Only later when I got home from Greensboro did I find out what happened. I will never forget that. It makes me sad that the families have waited 18 months for this resolution. Hopefully now they will have some closure.

ontheEdgeof17 05-21-2005 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye
im sure the deciding factor for the Jury was the Fleetwood Mac factor. Without the fact they were mac fans this guy would've walked :laugh: :laugh:


:distress: :distress: :distress:

Lives were taken by this man. Not a time to joke.

jannieC 05-21-2005 07:36 PM

I live in Greensboro and was at that show. It was such a sad situation. :(

David 05-21-2005 07:46 PM

Did anybody in this forum know those poor girls?

GateandGarden 05-21-2005 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
If alcohol is involved, some states will presume intent from the choice to drive under the influence and then bump it up from manslaughter, but it is, I think, a rare occurence.

I might be saying something rash, but I think that might be a good idea. What do y'all think? :shrug:

GateandGarden 05-21-2005 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux
I think it's too circumstantial to be universal. There are a hundred other factors to consider usually and in this particular case it apears to be leaning toward the car model's petrol tank position. Also 'murder' implies intent. Drunken driving is usually carelessness, not an intention to murder.

Yes, but people should be aware that they're likely to kill someone if they drive drunk. But I think we live in a society in which people think it's very possible to get away with driving drunk without causing any problems, usually because people think they know their limits and such. I don't know how to solve that problem. But for the first reason you mentioned (and many other that I'm sure I'm not even aware of) I can see why it can't be a universal thing. But maybe it would work in some cases?

Hawkeye 05-21-2005 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
:distress: :distress: :distress:

Lives were taken by this man. Not a time to joke.

I know the lives being taken isnt a joke, but i think whoever started the thread saying stuff like the "fleetwood mac fan" trial. I think that was funny and that person was kind of the one making a joke, I was just making fun of that.

Livia 05-21-2005 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye
I know the lives being taken isnt a joke, but i think whoever started the thread saying stuff like the "fleetwood mac fan" trial. I think that was funny and that person was kind of the one making a joke, I was just making fun of that.

Raises hand - thread starter here! And NO, I MOST CERTAINLY WAS NOT MAKING A JOKE!!! :mad:

Many of us heard about the accident when it occurred, and I was merely giving those who gave a sh*t an update.

DownOnRodeo 05-22-2005 12:44 AM

All this talk of which offence applies is a bit confusing because the technical definitions of the various forms of homocide are gonna be pretty different not only between Australia and the US, but even just among different states.

Mari 05-22-2005 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
Yes, but people should be aware that they're likely to kill someone if they drive drunk. But I think we live in a society in which people think it's very possible to get away with driving drunk without causing any problems, usually because people think they know their limits and such. I don't know how to solve that problem. But for the first reason you mentioned (and many other that I'm sure I'm not even aware of) I can see why it can't be a universal thing. But maybe it would work in some cases?

People can drive very carelessly without being drunk too, and cause accidents. Sure, alcohol increases the chance of an accident, but it starts with the carelesness of the driver.

hm. Just for comparison, if you kill someone when driving under the influence (or not), in this country, you loose your drivers licence, and maybe have to do some community service work. Way too easy, I think!
< personal rant >
A late uncle of mine had his license taken away after driving under influence and causing an accident.. I think that was way too easy. And the other side of the coin I know too, my sister was killed by a careless driver. I know that kid felt incredibly guilty and all, but still each time I see those young guys driving like madmen it makes me really angry. They've no idea what harm they could do. And when they do find out, it's usually too late. < /personal rant >
I really feel for the family of those three women, wishing them all the strength to get through this.

Hawkeye 05-22-2005 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia
Raises hand - thread starter here! And NO, I MOST CERTAINLY WAS NOT MAKING A JOKE!!! :mad:

Many of us heard about the accident when it occurred, and I was merely giving those who gave a sh*t an update.

not you, I think it was SpyNote over in Chit-Chat. Im sure he wasmt making a joke either, but still h etitled it something like the The Fleetwood Mac fan case guy is guilty. I just thought it was funny if that was REALLY the angle the lawyers and judges were focusing on.

xdreamsunwindx 05-22-2005 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye
im sure the deciding factor for the Jury was the Fleetwood Mac factor. Without the fact they were mac fans this guy would've walked :laugh: :laugh:

Oh, that's nice. Joking about people losing their lives because of some drunk ****ing prick. Real nice. :mad: :mad:

thepoetinmyhear 05-22-2005 12:08 PM

Whoa, folks need to stop harping on Hawkeye and real quick. Different people, different response mechanisms. Not to mention no jokes were made about the loss of life or the tragedy, merely the angle that was taken in reporting the court case.

I don't think anyone is saying this is not a huge tragedy and loss of life under any circumstance is sad. Let's just get along.

tynan88 05-22-2005 07:25 PM

Yer I think that is a bit harsh and found it quite funny that the fcus was that they were Mac fans too...no one is doubting the tragedy, just find it at best interesting the perspective that is taken.

GateandGarden 05-22-2005 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by thepoetinmyhear
Whoa, folks need to stop harping on Hawkeye and real quick. Different people, different response mechanisms. Not to mention no jokes were made about the loss of life or the tragedy, merely the angle that was taken in reporting the court case.

I don't think anyone is saying this is not a huge tragedy and loss of life under any circumstance is sad. Let's just get along.

I agree with you.

dreams 05-28-2005 11:00 AM

I also live in Greensboro and was in the traffic that night. Still there are flowers for the girls under the overpass where it happened. One of the girls (the one that was Dale Jarrett's crew chief's wife, and a former runner up to Miss NC) had a year old son, who she did not think she would be able to ever have, because she had lived through a heart transplant) One was only 16 years old and this was her first concert and night on the town with her sisters. The limo driver said that right before they were crashed into, the girls had him put on a Fleetwood Mac cd. That has so haunted me. I was really, really surprised that the fan community never even sent the families a card or anything (that I know of anyway) knowing the warmth and cohesiveness of FM fans. I had wondered if the band even knew, but I did read a quote by Stevie a little while back about being asked who did she lean on when depressed, and she said her brother Chris, and that he was there for her when she was extremely sad and upset about the fans in the accident in Greensboro. I think if anything, the fact that the girls or the trial refers to being Fleetwood Mac fans makes it all that much more poignant. I seldom ever post, but I thought you all might like a bit more info, and those that wish to still send warm thoughts and prayers out to the families.

:angel: :angel: :angel:

On a liter note ~ :wavey: Hi to the NC and Greensboro folks on the board, and you all are invited to my Fleetwood Mac wedding in two weeks, June 11!!@ It's called..... what else? "Say You Will" !! :xoxo:

Bumperke 06-01-2005 06:13 AM

The guy who drove has to deal with a bad karma. He will punsih himself, if not now, maybe some other time.
Killing 3 women, while he was drunk.,,, bad, bad karma.
My thoughts go out to family,friends.

Will, maybe?? :angel:


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