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wondergirl9847 04-26-2005 06:16 PM

Holy sheet...I want this!!!
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...723583396&rd=1

:shocked: I wanna hear the first two desperately!!!

GardenStateGirlie 04-26-2005 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wondergirl9847
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...723583396&rd=1

:shocked: I wanna hear the first two desperately!!!

I can't help but wonder if he's leaking these or if someone else is. I'm very curious as to what exactly Is This Right is and of course, ever since watching the SYW Doc, i've been in love with I Am Waiting. Hopefully whoever ends up with it, shares but who knows?

WelshWitchPMD 04-26-2005 07:12 PM

I agree that it would be interesting to hear these songs. I was kind of hoping that they would be titles that we have never heard before, however.

ontheEdgeof17 04-26-2005 07:17 PM

I might bid towards the end. :o

EnchantedSLN 04-26-2005 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by WelshWitchPMD
I was kind of hoping that they would be titles that we have never heard before, however.

"Is This Right" appears to be new.

WelshWitchPMD 04-26-2005 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by EnchantedSLN
"Is This Right" appears to be new.


Yeah, I was hoping for more, however. It's OK cause I am never happy. :laugh:

GardenStateGirlie 04-26-2005 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
I might bid towards the end. :o

If you don't, I will ;) I just want someone to end up with it that will be willing to share with all of us

GardenStateGirlie 04-26-2005 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by WelshWitchPMD
Yeah, I was hoping for more, however. It's OK cause I am never happy. :laugh:

If this is out there, i'd imagine there are more we don't know about or that will eventually appear.

WelshWitchPMD 04-26-2005 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie
If you don't, I will ;) I just want someone to end up with it that will be willing to share with all of us


I was going to bid on it, too. I wonder how much it will end up at? I will be short of funds by that time after Vegas. :distress:

GardenStateGirlie 04-26-2005 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by WelshWitchPMD
I was going to bid on it, too. I wonder how much it will end up at? I will be short of funds by that time after Vegas. :distress:

I think we all will :laugh: Hopefully it ends up with someone we know.

estranged4life 04-26-2005 08:02 PM

Dont have a Vegas trip...
 
planned, But I might see if I can win this auction...If so I'm sure it will be traded about :nod:

GardenStateGirlie 04-26-2005 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux
New Lindsey music is what the whole fandom is about. However why would this just pop out of nowhere? Who would be leaking these and is he just being screwed over again? I don't know how you'd find out, you probably can't, but not matter how great new material of his is, I wouldn't want to be the one who purchased it if it were the case.

Seeing as two are already released and one is a cover of a song we've already heard on the documentary, the only song that begs that question is the Is This Right (which may be the working title of a song we already know). As far as how it was put on e-bay, we'll never know. We could ask the seller but i'm sure he'd have some generic response as to where it came from. Perhaps Lindsey himself gave it to someone to listen to and they in turn are selling the copy they have or gave it to someone else who is selling it? Not sure but I am always curious as to where these things come from.

Dark Angel 04-26-2005 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wondergirl9847
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4723583396&rd=1[/url]

Cool!! I just bookmarked it. If I manage to win it, I'll be more than willing to share. :)

Hawkeye 04-26-2005 10:32 PM

I really hope a ledgie or someone who likes to share wins this.

shackin'up 04-27-2005 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie
the only song that begs that question is the Is This Right (which may be the working title of a song we already know).

Let's pretend it's a working title of a song we already know....which one could it be?
Given thing? I can imagine he changed the lyrics of this song (although I hope not cause I LOVE it!), that was def. not finished yet...

Kelly 04-27-2005 06:39 AM

money
 
With everyone who has mentioned bidding on this thread..you guys should communicate. If all of you bid you will just jack up the price. It would be better for one or two Ledgies to go for it and if people want to chip in or something, do that. If we all are competing each other for this thing, we will end up paying more and most of us would share it if we won, correct?
As far as how these are getting out..this seems to be the pattern. All the GoS songs were leaked through ebay..the TISL songs as well. My Heart was just leaked on a cd sold on ebay. I predict Is This Right will be a new song...it is lumped with two older songs and a cover...that totally fits with the pattern of alot of the leaked songs. I do not know why there would be a problem with who wins the auction..the seller is the one who is ultimately the one in the wrong. Unless it is Lindsey or his management, who have some motivation for doing it. I always felt that the WoS TD was leaked intentionally but that is just a feeling.

WelshWitchPMD 04-27-2005 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelly
With everyone who has mentioned bidding on this thread..you guys should communicate. If all of you bid you will just jack up the price. It would be better for one or two Ledgies to go for it and if people want to chip in or something, do that. If we all are competing each other for this thing, we will end up paying more and most of us would share it if we won, correct?
As far as how these are getting out..this seems to be the pattern. All the GoS songs were leaked through ebay..the TISL songs as well. My Heart was just leaked on a cd sold on ebay. I predict Is This Right will be a new song...it is lumped with two older songs and a cover...that totally fits with the pattern of alot of the leaked songs. I do not know why there would be a problem with who wins the auction..the seller is the one who is ultimately the one in the wrong. Unless it is Lindsey or his management, who have some motivation for doing it. I always felt that the WoS TD was leaked intentionally but that is just a feeling.


It's already up to $36.00 right now! :eek:

hayley 04-27-2005 01:19 PM

I was really excited for a minute, thinking you were talking about the urban legend. Instead, it's just more Lindsey and his boring illegally leaked demos.

Dark Angel 04-27-2005 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelly
With everyone who has mentioned bidding on this thread..you guys should communicate. If all of you bid you will just jack up the price. It would be better for one or two Ledgies to go for it and if people want to chip in or something, do that. If we all are competing each other for this thing, we will end up paying more and most of us would share it if we won, correct?

I was thinking about that, but have no idea who would want to go in on it. :shrug:

Dreammms 04-27-2005 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Angel
I was thinking about that, but have no idea who would want to go in on it. :shrug:

i'd be willing to chip in

sodascouts 04-28-2005 09:35 AM

Anybody who wants to chip in, PM me.

estranged4life 04-28-2005 10:51 AM

If anyone wins this...
 
I'll volunteer to make multiple copies since I have the equipment to do so...

sodascouts 04-28-2005 08:33 PM

I am "dustyfury" and currently have the high bid. I will share if I win. PLEASE no Ledgie bid against me! Again, if you want to help pay for this, PM me. Right now the price is up to $122.00.

golddustwoman77 04-28-2005 09:55 PM

I would love to have this CD! :D I just can't believe how high the bidding has gotten. It is up to almost $150.00! :eek: Wow! I guess I'll have to wait and try and trade for it.

Kelly 04-29-2005 01:22 AM

Nancy...if you are not currently the high bidder, wait until the end of the auction and come in with your top bid. No need to keep upping it to stay the highest bidder all week long. As long as you are the highest bidder in the end! I am sure you know that already but I wanted to mention it just in case some Ledgie or lurker is bidding against you. So many people continually bid on ebay items days before the end and seem to think it actually means something that they stay top bidder. I enjoy trying to swipe an auction after some yutz has placed fifty five bids on something for days on end. Please, PM Nancy if you are interested in helping win the auction!

GODDESS6 04-29-2005 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts
I am "dustyfury" and currently have the high bid. I will share if I win. PLEASE no Ledgie bid against me! Again, if you want to help pay for this, PM me. Right now the price is up to $122.00.

glad 2 know your ebay name, i am a reg on ebay & wouldn't want 2 bid against u~

wondergirl9847 04-29-2005 12:10 PM

Omg!!
 
I PMed ya, Nancy. Sheesh, this is getting way too expensive. :distress: That guy/girl must really want this...they outbid Nancy. :(

skcin 04-29-2005 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wondergirl9847
I PMed ya, Nancy. Sheesh, this is getting way too expensive. :distress: That guy/girl must really want this...they outbid Nancy. :(

I know! Someone tell Carol Ann to cut it out! ;)

wondergirl9847 04-29-2005 12:59 PM

Lol
 
Damn you, Carol Ann...go towards the light!!!

BTFLCHLD 04-29-2005 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by wondergirl9847
Damn you, Carol Ann...go towards the light!!!

:lol: youresofunny

GardenStateGirlie 04-29-2005 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by skcin
I know! Someone tell Carol Ann to cut it out! ;)

High in her life...obsessive was her love... :laugh:

stefan 04-30-2005 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Lux
Obviously I've become invisible.

I think that making money with his work is wrong. The guy who offered "Gift of screams" on ebay with the crazy song titles and the hysterical LB grafic annoyed me a lot. But to share the GOS songs for free that were in circulation on audiogalaxy was never a problem for me. Yes, it may be selfish but:
LB has taken 11 years to then not release his new CD. Exactly the same happens right now. He speaks about a solo album and a soundstage DVD that sure as hell both will never see the light of the day. A lot of his GOS songs didn't make it on the SYW album because Stevie was involved. I never would have heard DOR for example. So- would I break in his house and steal his masters? No. Would I try to listen to the songs once they are available? Yes. He should go and release his music- I`ll certainly buy it. If he doesn`t- well that`s the way to go for me.
Hopefully the songs from this ebay CD appear soon on the net.

trackaghost 04-30-2005 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Lux

This of course was all under the assumption that it isn't approved by him. My confusion is in regards to why nobody else has even addressed that in any small way. Did it not cross anybody's mind or are we too wrapped up in what we can take from him without even a moment's thought for him as person? I don't expect your desire for the music to diminish nor do I expect to change your minds, but I was surprised to not see even a slight consideration for a the matter.


While I agree none of us has a right to this music if Lindsey hasn't approved its release, if Nancy wins this auction it will be distributed among the FM community for free and these guys trying to make money out of Lindsey's work will have less chance of selling their illegal wares.
It probably doesn't justify it, but I do know, that although I have Gift Of Screws through downloading it illegally, I would buy that sucker in a second if Lindsey were ever to officially release it and I think most people here would too.

Nancy,
stop bidding right now!!! You're jacking up the price! It would be better to wait until the end of the auction.

trackaghost 04-30-2005 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Lux
This may be true that it is better to be in her hands than in the hands of some money-maker, but it's still only the lesser of two evils. Although the word 'evil' might be a slight exaggeration, it's obviously not the end of the world. However don't assume you're being ethical by distributing it for free, the only ethical thing to do would be to not defy Lindsey's wishes and return it to him or simply sit on it without distributing. Of course the winning bidder could approach his management and find out whether he approves of the release and distribute it or not depending on the outcome. To me that would be the ethical thing to do.

You're right of course but, like you said it's the lesser of two evils.

trackaghost 04-30-2005 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Lux
It is the lesser of two evils but as I mentioned, there is a third option. The person who wins the bid has the power to change it into the ethical solution by returning it or facilitating the other methods I mentioned in the previous post.

Is that what you'd do?
You're a better person than me then, especially if I had paid out $150 for it.
I think the best option would have been for no one to bid on it at all, then the seller can't make a profit. But that isn't going to happen.

I want to hear the tracks too much to be honest. If that makes me a bad person that so be it. I am bad. But I still think I'm better than those making a profit from his music. I know if it were my music being sold on eBay, I wouldn't blame the person buying it so much as the person selling it.

That said. If this is a legitimate promo, then those get sold all the time. They're not supposed to be sold, but most record companies know it happens and turn a blind eye to it. I used to work at a magazine where the reviews editor would have bags of promos of albums he was sent every week and he just sold them for cash to the local record shop. I don't actually agree with that, but it happens. I get sent free stuff too but I tend to give it to my friends, I think it's wrong to sell it, but that's just me.

GardenStateGirlie 04-30-2005 10:58 AM

IMO, Lindsey doesn't have a hope nor a prayer when it comes to WB/Reprise releasing him as a solo artist. As much as we love him and think that his work is nothing short of amazing, he's not viable. In the days of the Britney Spears and Ushers, he's not a hot commodity in the eyes of the label. I tend to think we will never see the release of any more from him unless it's with Fleetwood Mac in 2006 OR he decides to go ahead and create his own label as an outlet for himself (and perhaps then for other artists too).

After giving it much thought and in light of the girls answers recently (Sharon and Lori, which I take with much consideration and whom I hold a great deal of respect for), when it comes to Lindsey, I don't feel terrible about a group of fans willingly buying a demo tape containing 4 songs...two of which have not been formerly released. With GOS and even with this small batch of songs, I do not feel it's done him any disservice. In fact, it's done the opposite as far as i'm concerned. It's only HIS FANS that are going to want to buy his album to begin with because no one is willing to take a chance on him and market what he's offering. Thusly, when it comes time for his album to be released (if it's ever released) the fans are STILL going to buy it. We'll want it for our collections...for the insert...for the lyrics. We're harcore dorks, guys and the last thing we would EVER want to do to Lindsey would be to dick him out of money that is deservingly his. But, we won't do that...because we'll STILL buy the album anyway.

Take Fleetwood Mac and Stevie for example. How many friggin' greatest hits compilations can they possibly release with the same songs over and over again? And you know what? We buy them all...because we adore the work they do and we love the music (and again, that whole collection obsession).

So, in conclusion of this very long-winded post, I don't think us buying this demo tape will in any way, shape, or form hurt him in any way. It's his demos that have kept us all interested for years and have held us in anticipation for an album we may never receive. JMO.

GardenStateGirlie 04-30-2005 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux
You guys are missing the point. I agree that it's great to hear the demos but there's one clause and that involves the release being with his permission. This is not about how well he'd sell in the market. It's not about us doing him a favour by getting his music out to his fans (unless he approves of the sale in which case it may be). It's not about your individual morals relating to the fact that it won't prevent you from purchasing anything he might subsequently release. That's got nothing to do with it. The point that makes all of that irrelevant is that it's his property and if he does not approve of it being distributed then tough titties folks, that's his right to not have it distributed. I don't know how many ways I can say this but your desires for it and justifications relating to your fandom etc do not matter in this situation of stealing and unauthorised distribution (assuming that's what it is).

The other posters' complete lack of consideration for his position in this did make bidding on this (with a few others) tempting. However I'm in no financial position to be doing so when his management, upon failing to legally stop the sale, could simply just purchase it back. If I did purchase it then there's no way I'd distribute it without seeking approval and if it weren't granted I'd return it, rid of it or whatever was necessary. That's not saintly, it's just showing an ounce of consideration for his work. As I said before, if it's not a concern of his then everything I've said can be deemed irrelevant but this is an unauthorised sale so as yet we can only assume it is against his wishes. My intention is not to deny the fans his music (which they are not owed simply because he choses to take his time), my intention was to atleast address the possibility that to purchase and spread is to aid in stealing and going against his will (again, if that's what it is).

Lux, you know I adore the quicksand you walk on but I don't think we're missing the point at all. We're taking into consideration what you say and I, for one, don't agree. It's about having a differience of opinion. If that makes the large number of us willing to front money to purchase this **** fans, so be it. Then we're **** fans. We've spent a ton in the past few years on merchandise, concert tickets, etc. He has gotten nothing but love and adoration from us and will continue to have such. The fact remains is we don't know how it got out there. He could have easily WANTED it there. We don't know and we won't know. To my knowledge, through the years he has tried but is unable to get this material released because he isn't marketable yet he's not yet bold enough to take a risk and put it out on his own. Do you think he does all this work to leave on tape and have no one hear it ever? He's been trying to for YEARS and where did his seven years worth of work on GOS go? Fleetwood Mac. Where will everything else go? Fleetwood Mac, and it seems as though the next album will be a "from the ground up" deal so he'll have new songs, I bet. If I may ask, do you listen to the GOS demos? Will you listen to these when they're distributed, without cost, to the fans in this community? That makes you just as "guilty" as the rest of us i'm afraid.

David 04-30-2005 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelly
All the GoS songs were leaked through ebay.

No, a batch of those songs (Twist of Fate, Red Rover, Gift of Screws, Say Goodbye, etc.) were posted as free MP3 downloads on a popular Stevie site in 2001, & they were put up there because the solo album had been aborted & there were no plans at that time to make an FM album. It was only later that some bootleggers took those MP3s & auctioned CDs of them with goofy titles. It's not a major distinction, but it is a distinction -- they were free initially.

Still, Lux is right that it's completely unauthorized (like the Shangri-La unreleased songs) & it's an infringement of copyright. There's no getting around it. All bands contend with this copyright infringement in dozens of forms. It will ever stop. Look what Dylan did: released a legitimate collection of "basement" tapes that were already in the hands of Dylan fans.

If Stevie wants to put the kabosh on leaks of her unreleased material (or even leaks of her soon-to-be-released material), she would need to:
1. Stay out of recording studios
2. Avoid letting engineers, producers, friends, family & "staff" have or even hear her tapes-in-progress
3. Avoid sharing any of her work-in-progress with anyone at any record company
4. Erase all rough takes on tape
5. Avoid using any other musicians (or somehow make sure they can't get any tapes from the sessions ) -- but even then how could she prevent a session player from bringing in his own Sony recording Walkman & taping a session?

As you can tell, that's totally impractical (or impracticable).

But what the fans do is copyright infringement, no doubt about it.

Kelly 04-30-2005 03:39 PM

[QUOTE=David]No, a batch of those songs (Twist of Fate, Red Rover, Gift of Screws, Say Goodbye, etc.) were posted as free MP3 downloads on a popular Stevie site in 2001, & they were put up there because the solo album had been aborted & there were no plans at that time to make an FM album. It was only later that some bootleggers took those MP3s & auctioned CDs of them with goofy titles. It's not a major distinction, but it is a distinction -- they were free initially.

I thought there was an auction for cassettes on ebay several years ago that was stopped for awhile and eventually the guy got the auction through? Is that wrong? I always assumed, maybe incorrectly, that the person who purchased the cassettes, transferred them and put them up for free download. similar to what Nancy will do if she wins.
Still, Lux is right that it's completely unauthorized (like the Shangri-La unreleased songs) & it's an infringement of copyright. There's no getting around it. All bands contend with this copyright infringement in dozens of forms. It will ever stop. Look what Dylan did: released a legitimate collection of "basement" tapes that were already in the hands of Dylan fans.

AliP 04-30-2005 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelly
I thought there was an auction for cassettes on ebay several years ago that was stopped for awhile and eventually the guy got the auction through? Is that wrong?

I know that the person who first distributed the cassette which later became known as the Village Recorder demos was a friend of Cheri Caspari. Once she realized how huge the demand was for these demos, she began to sell them on ebay. I don't know if she was the only one who sold them, but I do know that she was one of them.


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