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blinker12 04-15-2005 10:49 PM

Best/worst career moves
 
What have been Stevie's best and worst career moves aside from joining Fleetwood Mac (clearly her best move ever)?

Best: Creating that whirling dervish stage image

Worst: Never learning to play an instrument well enough to perform on stage
(I almost put "letting Kenny G piddle all over OSOTM," but I don't think that's big enough to call a career move) :)

thepoetinmyhear 04-15-2005 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by blinker12
What have been Stevie's best and worst career moves aside from joining Fleetwood Mac (clearly her best move ever)?

Best: Creating that whirling dervish stage image

Worst: Never learning to play an instrument well enough to perform on stage
(I almost put "letting Kenny G piddle all over OSOTM," but I don't think that's big enough to call a career move) :)

Best: dating lindsey - as far as career moves this directly led to her being in Fleetwood Mac and gaining big exposure.

Worst: KLONOPIN - I know she was thinking that whole "recovering from prescription drugs" would be a good press angle, but geez. Did she have to go so far?

For the record, I am kidding.

dissention 04-15-2005 11:00 PM

Best: Meeting Lindsey.

Worst: Going solo.

For the record, I'm not kidding. ;) :laugh:

amber 04-15-2005 11:04 PM

Oh, nuh uh!
Best - Meeting Lindsey.
Best - going solo.
Best - Coke!
Worst - not taking care of your voice, girl!
Worst - bad lyrics.
Worst - I have to concur with Blinky12 - should have learned an instrument better! although I understand, about being ok at lots of things, but not good at any one.

amber 04-15-2005 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Best: Meeting Lindsey.

Worst: Going solo.

For the record, I'm not kidding. ;) :laugh:

I shudder at the thought of there never being an EO17, or a SB, or even an I Can't Wait. Stevie without her solo career? = Not Stevie. You go, girl! Man, we would've had so many less kick ass live performances, if it were not for Stevie solo. I can't even believe you said that, especially considering Lindsey's disposition. :distress: Gosh! Gold n Braid? Hello? Sesly. I could not live without the BD performances. I sweah.

GateandGarden 04-15-2005 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Best: Meeting Lindsey.

Worst: Going solo.

For the record, I'm not kidding. ;) :laugh:

Yes you are! :laugh: Mr. Sable on Blonde. :xoxo:

thepoetinmyhear 04-15-2005 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
Yes you are! :laugh: Mr. Sable on Blonde. :xoxo:

yeah, if you think Sable and Blond would have EVER made a solo record, you would be sadly mistaken. Plus, without Stevie's solo career you wouldn't have as much ammunition to hate her. Songs like "When I see you Again (whatsamattahbaby)" would have been replaced by Rooms on Fire and other such goodness.

Johnny Stew 04-16-2005 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by thepoetinmyhear
Songs like "When I see you Again (whatsamattahbaby)" would have been replaced by Rooms on Fire and other such goodness.

Diss is going to try to convince you that less Stevie songs would have been a good thing, because if he doesn't like one of them, then it HAS to be worthless. ;)

thepoetinmyhear 04-16-2005 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
Diss is going to try to convince you that less Stevie songs would have been a good thing, because if he doesn't like one of them, then it HAS to be worthless. ;)

Oh, I'm sure his argument will be something like less stevie would have meant that she ONLY released her quality songs and the brilliant Mr. Buckingham would have been able to determine which songs these were and force Stevie to forget the others.

My argument doesn't necessarily agree with this (although I imagine plenty of other good songs would have been lost). My argument is that Diss would have nothing to complaing about on these boards if Stevie hadn't gone solo. It's the best thing that ever happened to him :D .

amber 04-16-2005 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
Diss is going to try to convince you that less Stevie songs would have been a good thing, because if he doesn't like one of them, then it HAS to be worthless. ;)

Ah, the lofty position of people who think they are always right. It's admirable, in a way, but not something I could ever achieve. :)

SteveMacD 04-16-2005 02:12 AM

BEST: Quitting smoking and losing weight for "The Dance." She looked great and sounded the part of the older, wiser rocker who went through hell and back and lived to tell. She was/is at her most credible. I mean, when she sings "Landslide" now, you can tell that the song is even more biographical than when she actually wrote it.

WORST: I'd have to say almost everything she did post-RAL, pre-"Twisted," with rock-bottom being the Clinton inauguration. Of course, we all know why those years were hard for Stevie.

strandinthewind 04-16-2005 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
Diss is going to try to convince you that less Stevie songs would have been a good thing, because if he doesn't like one of them, then it HAS to be worthless. ;)

and then, of course, there was Sable on Blonde - which was, EXCUSE ME, SOLO :wavey:

LiquidBlue5000 04-16-2005 03:16 AM

BEST: Reuniting with FM in 97 for the dance.

Worst: Not committing herself to keeping in shape and losing weight. She has all the money in the world to hire personal trainers, chefs, counselors, whatever she needs, yet she doesn't do it. :distress:

glitter_fades 04-16-2005 03:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Best: Meeting Lindsey.

Worst: Going solo.

For the record, I'm not kidding. ;) :laugh:

You are the poet in my heart. :laugh:

BTW, ITA. :thumbsup:

catinthedark 04-16-2005 10:43 AM

Why do I feel like we did this "best and worst career moves" thing a few months ago? Is it just me? All the threads are combining in a cloud of fog.... or should I say... long nets of white cloud my memory...

GypsySorcerer 04-16-2005 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by catinthedark
Why do I feel like we did this "best and worst career moves" thing a few months ago? Is it just me? All the threads are combining in a cloud of fog.... or should I say... long nets of white cloud my memory...

Yeah, we did. I forgot what I wrote though. :laugh:

xxxmx 04-16-2005 12:21 PM

best: the Dance. paved the way for Enchanted and TISL by reminding audiences that she did not in fact suck.

worst: believing that shoulder pads and teased hair would make her look thinner, not fuglier.

GateandGarden 04-16-2005 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000
Worst: Not committing herself to keeping in shape and losing weight. She has all the money in the world to hire personal trainers, chefs, counselors, whatever she needs, yet she doesn't do it. :distress:

Who says she needs to lose weight?

blinker12 04-16-2005 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer
Yeah, we did. I forgot what I wrote though. :laugh:

Ooh, did we? Sorry about that... :o

LiquidBlue5000 04-16-2005 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
Who says she needs to lose weight?

Well, "maintaining" her weight.. she's had too many ups and downs over the years, especially the early 90's.. she didn't have to get that big.. alot of people are on anti-depressants and they don't blow up like that..

Serrart 04-16-2005 02:19 PM

Best move: Going solo
Worst move: Believe in the entourage philosophy.

Romy

GateandGarden 04-16-2005 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000
Well, "maintaining" her weight.. she's had too many ups and downs over the years, especially the early 90's.. she didn't have to get that big.. alot of people are on anti-depressants and they don't blow up like that..

Well, I've written many posts on more than one FM message board about how I don't think she ever looked bad and no one agrees with me completely, so I guess I'll spare everyone my same whiny ramblings and leave it at this sentence.

Oona 04-16-2005 03:00 PM

worst/best
 
worst move....but as far as I know it wasn't entirely her choice was parting ways with Iovine. Listen to the qualities of BD and WH, then RAL and on....quite a difference. I guess this roots in the drug/alchohol issues, which one could say was her worst choice. on that note, klonopin and other antidepressants could qualify as a possible second choice for worst moves. I, however disregard that as a WORST move because she was following the advice (misguided as it may have beeen) from a psychiatrist. So I don't think of this as a "choice".
That being said, the best move was getting OFF of antidepressants. there was no way TISL or the SYW trax could have been what it was in her klonopin haze. It is never too late to redeem one's self. Getting off of these drugs may have also have been a contributing factor to the very existance of the Dance project working as well.

LiquidBlue5000 04-16-2005 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
Well, I've written many posts on more than one FM message board about how I don't think she ever looked bad and no one agrees with me completely, so I guess I'll spare everyone my same whiny ramblings and leave it at this sentence.

Well, i think she's just about at her Street Angel weight at the moment... except now she has better hair and makeup... but i'm refering to more her 1993 appearance, namely the inauguration... she had blown up and she looked almost distorted- she did not look good at all during that time :distress:

SteveMacD 04-16-2005 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000
Well, "maintaining" her weight.. she's had too many ups and downs over the years, especially the early 90's.. she didn't have to get that big.. alot of people are on anti-depressants and they don't blow up like that..

But a LOT of people do blow up. It happened to me in my grad school days, and I was probably at my most physically active. I would walk my dog all over the campus of the Ohio State University, which I believe is the largest campus in the USA. After I got my dog (about three months after I started grad school), I moved into an apartment, and my diet subsequently improved greatly. It didn't matter. I looked as bloated as ever, I was hardly able to get out of bed some days, I was moody and irrational, and I couldn't stop sweating. And, I stayed bloated for about a year or so after taking myself off those drugs. These drugs play havoc with the body and are a sonuvabeyoch to get off of, which is why I look at that period for Stevie rather sympathetically.

SteveMacD 04-16-2005 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000
Well, i think she's just about at her Street Angel weight at the moment... except now she has better hair and makeup... but i'm refering to more her 1993 appearance, namely the inauguration... she had blown up and she looked almost distorted- she did not look good at all during that time :distress:

At the moment, I believe Stevie is having hip problems. So it's understandable as to why her weight is up. I thought I read that she was even considering a replacement, but I can't remember for sure. But, my god, she's in her mid-late 50s! Does anybody really expect her to look as she did in her 20s and 30s? I think the big difference between Stevie in 1993 and now is that she doesn't look sick. In fact, Stevie didn't look like herself in 1993. She looked like Mary Travers, who's at least ten years older than Stevie and has had children.

LiquidBlue5000 04-16-2005 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD
But a LOT of people do blow up. It happened to me in my grad school days, and I was probably at my most physically active. I would walk my dog all over the campus of the Ohio State University, which I believe is the largest campus in the USA. After I got my dog (about three months after I started grad school), I moved into an apartment, and my diet subsequently improved greatly. It didn't matter. I looked as bloated as ever, I was hardly able to get out of bed some days, I was moody and irrational, and I couldn't stop sweating. And, I stayed bloated for about a year or so after taking myself off those drugs. These drugs play havoc with the body and are a sonuvabeyoch to get off of, which is why I look at that period for Stevie rather sympathetically.

I have no doubt they play havoc with the body and screw up metabolism and what not... but when you're in the public eye like Stevie is and have tons of money, things can be done..

GateandGarden 04-16-2005 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000
I have no doubt they play havoc with the body and screw up metabolism and what not... but when you're in the public eye like Stevie is and have tons of money, things can be done..

True, but I just don't see why anyone wants that. To me she's such a natural beauty that she can't really go wrong. If I had to pick a time that I personally thought she looked the worst, it wouldn't be '93 but some of the footage and pics I've seen from the '70s, when she had tons of illegal drugs in her. And there were times during that same period when she was skinny to an unhealthy extent. To me, that's worse.

LiquidBlue5000 04-16-2005 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
True, but I just don't see why anyone wants that. To me she's such a natural beauty that she can't really go wrong. If I had to pick a time that I personally thought she looked the worst, it wouldn't be '93 but some of the footage and pics I've seen from the '70s, when she had tons of illegal drugs in her. And there were times during that same period when she was skinny to an unhealthy extent. To me, that's worse.

She never looked better than in 1997, imo... everything came together for her and it worked... but she has put weight on since then and it's noticeable.. she still looks great, though... regardless of her age..

strandinthewind 04-16-2005 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000
She never looked better than in 1997, imo... everything came together for her and it worked... but she has put weight on since then and it's noticeable.. she still looks great, though... regardless of her age..

Other than the BD era, I agree. AND - she was not that rail thin for The Dance. But, I think rail thin is not really the best look for a woman her age - In the end, I think she was beautiful during all era including SA. I just think she was not too happy with herself then and it showed.

desertangel 04-16-2005 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by catinthedark
Why do I feel like we did this "best and worst career moves" thing a few months ago? Is it just me? All the threads are combining in a cloud of fog.... or should I say... long nets of white cloud my memory...

It's probably because most of the posts of late have been about Las Vegas and a lot of Ledgies are not able to go. :(

.....So solly, but we have to make our plans! :D


Laura

dissention 04-16-2005 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
Well, I've written many posts on more than one FM message board about how I don't think she ever looked bad and no one agrees with me completely, so I guess I'll spare everyone my same whiny ramblings and leave it at this sentence.

Boston. 1996. Free concert. :eek:

She looked sick as a dog. I've seen Casper costumes with a healthier hue to them.

dissention 04-16-2005 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD
At the moment, I believe Stevie is having hip problems. So it's understandable as to why her weight is up. I thought I read that she was even considering a replacement, but I can't remember for sure. But, my god, she's in her mid-late 50s! Does anybody really expect her to look as she did in her 20s and 30s? I think the big difference between Stevie in 1993 and now is that she doesn't look sick. In fact, Stevie didn't look like herself in 1993. She looked like Mary Travers, who's at least ten years older than Stevie and has had children.

It isn't her hip that's giving her weight "problems," it's The Change, dear. :xoxo:

dissention 04-16-2005 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
Other than the BD era, I agree. AND - she was not that rail thin for The Dance. But, I think rail thin is not really the best look for a woman her age - In the end, I think she was beautiful during all era including SA. I just think she was not too happy with herself then and it showed.

Rail thin is not the best look for anyone, regardless of age.

GateandGarden 04-16-2005 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Boston. 1996. Free concert. :eek:

She looked sick as a dog. I've seen Casper costumes with a healthier hue to them.

Are there are any pics of that floating around? I'm just curious. Chances are, I'd still be totally taken by her--sick, healthy, rail thin, etc. There are certainly some bad pics of her, but we all have those. Even in the bad ones, I can see her beauty so clearly. :nod::nod: God, she's beautiful.

Sorry, I seem to have slipped away into Stevie fantasy land. Will return shortly. :laugh:

strandinthewind 04-16-2005 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
It isn't her hip that's giving her weight "problems," it's The Change, dear. :xoxo:

Well, I think it is that. But I also think that she was unable to exercise on the treadmill like she says she likes to had something to do with it as well. I mean when she was holding LB's hand in the dressing room on DR, she looked stunning. Then, on tour, she put on some weight. I think she has a tendancy to put on weight on tour though. She did for TISL, SA, and SYW.

gldstwmn 04-16-2005 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidBlue5000
Well, "maintaining" her weight.. she's had too many ups and downs over the years, especially the early 90's.. she didn't have to get that big.. alot of people are on anti-depressants and they don't blow up like that..

Different anti depressants have different side effects. Klonopin is not an anti depressant, btw.
Unless you've been there, you don't know what it's like. Depression is a horrible, debilitating illness.
Pray that you never get it.

strandinthewind 04-16-2005 09:53 PM

There are reviews of the 1996 concerts on nicksfix. There are pics floating around out there. The ones I have seen are okay. She was not dressed in the witchy stuff and that was cool. She was very white though. Of course it was an outdoor concert in the day light - which is not the best lighting for anyone :laugh:

GateandGarden 04-16-2005 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
There are reviews of the 1996 concerts on nicksfix. There are pics floating around out there. The ones I have seen are okay. She was not dressed in the witchy stuff and that was cool. She was very white though. Of course it was an outdoor concert in the day light - which is not the best lighting for anyone :laugh:

I just went to the NicksFix to look for pics. I didn't see any for the Boston show in particular, but I thought the others from '96 were gorgeous! There are pics for that Christmas Carol thingy, which was '96, and she's stunning in those to me.

dissention 04-16-2005 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
There are reviews of the 1996 concerts on nicksfix. There are pics floating around out there. The ones I have seen are okay. She was not dressed in the witchy stuff and that was cool. She was very white though. Of course it was an outdoor concert in the day light - which is not the best lighting for anyone :laugh:

She was dressed in her witchy stuff. She came out wearing what looked like an ugly white tablecloth that her great gran had made in 1904 over her black garb. It was the most barfugly thing I've seen her wear and that says a lot. :laugh: Her hair was fried (it was yellow), she was so pale that she was corpse-like, and she just seemed...sickly. I was worried, personally.


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