I guess Lindsey did have a job at one time...
 

Poor Lindsey...he was traumatized! :laugh: Actually, I think I would have been too. What a crap job.


Robert Morgan Special of the Week - 1980
(about a job he had to get after Buckingham Nicks flopped) "That was very embarrassing too cause as you can tell I'm pretty soft spoken. I got this job trying to sell advertising space. I had to get up at five in the morning to call back east...and uh..'Hi, this is, uh,' and you'd give a fake name and give the name of the directory and you'd say 'would you like to renew this year?' and half the people would say, 'oh, sure if we had it last year' and you'd write them down, but there had not been the directory the year before. It was such a scam, I couldn't believe it. I couldn't take that for more than a month, I just got, uh, too traumatized. I just wasn't cut out for that type of thing."

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Well, that is the worst job for Linsdey. I myself could never do sales. (although, regrettably, I did somewhat for a brief period)
but at least he tried something. :rolleyes: I wish I had the luxury to be a genius. :lol: or even go to school without working.
I have a friend from Palo Alto, and he's kind of the same. He usually only has a summer job of coaching kids swimming, and sometimes other jobs, but mostly he "practices music" while his dad pays his credit card bills. :rolleyes: :lol: Oh, and it's not like he's frugal. Somehow, he usually has money for drink, whatever else ;) , and tasty food. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

That was the only job he ever had and he's traumatized??? Poor thing NOT!!!!! He should consider himself lucky because Stevie always provided for him while he worked on his music. And I for one am very proud of her because she never bitched about that (not to my knowledge anyway). Many women would have said:"I took care of him and all he did was smoking dope or getting drunk". She always said that she knew he was a genius.

I loved the Today Show interview where Matt Lauer asked Stevie about Lindsey "not working"..he sort of insinuated that Linds was lazy and putting Stevie to work. Stevie completely put him in his place and told him "it was ok for him to stay home and practice his guitar because SHE SAID IT WAS OK".....I was thrilled with her answer. She was obviously not going to let Matt put Lindsey down.

I really do not see a problem with him not having a nine to five job and staying at home working on their music. Women have a "job" when they stay home and care for the house and kids. Lindsey was working on their songs, practicing his guitar, producing Stevie's songs...he had a job, just not in the typical sense. If Stevie had no problem with it, no one else should. She has said it many times..she was doing everything she could to make it possible for them to be successful. In fact, I think it makes her feel quite good to know that she financially supported them both at that time in their lives. They worked together as a duo towards their dream and they BOTH made vital contributions.

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He really is a piece of work. He never held a real job, yet compares himself to a struggling artist living in a two room flat. He may have a good grasp on a lot things, but reality ain't one of them.

Whose parents were financially well off and whose girlfriend was willing to work all day long and then cook dinner for him :laugh: We all should be so struggling :laugh:

Why? He was a bum. I'd have kicked him out on his ass.

I don't know what kind of person sits at home all day twiddling a guitar and smoking weed while their girlfriend is out there busting her ass to put food on the table and a roof over their head. I think it stinks of yet another instance of Lindsey being a spoiled little kid. I feel so bad over the trauma he endured as an ad salesman for a month. :rolleyes:

No ****. He's a musical genius, yeah, but what a spoiled brat of a man with no concept of reality. I'm telling ya, he f*cks evrything up when he opens his mouth to speak. It's like a train wreck, you have to watch to see what ridiculous thing he'll say next.

And whose aunt (that he didn't even know) left him and his brothers each $10,000 when she died. Which back then was a lot of potatoes (and still is today quite a bit of potatoes!) :nod: Tough life.... :p

-Lis

The kind of person who takes his girlfriend's songs, helps turn them into masterpieces and is the driving force behind an album that sells 30 million? I'd say he's more than made up for it.

And remember, if he hadn't been twiddling a guitar all day long, maybe Mick wouldn't have been so interested in his playing

What a fabulous excuse for sheer laziness. :woohoo:

At least we know who wore the pants in that relationship.

Pardon, but how do we know this is the only job Lindsey ever had?

I think it was pretty cool of Stevie to be out there working consistently when Lindsey most likely wasn't. But let's not go too overboard in the "willing to work all day long" rhetoric either.

In 1998, I believe, during an Off the Record show, Stevie described her waitressing schedule:

"I like doing lunches four days a week for three hours and making great tips, and making enough money to support Lindsey and I so that he could, lay on the floor and play guitar all day, and I could go out and do this for four hours a day, four times a week, and then I had the other three days a week to spend with him, and to spend working on our music."

First she says four days a week, three hours a day and then she says four days a week, four hours a day. Either way, that works out to a whopping 12 or 16 hour work week. Like I said, it was cool of her to do it, but let's also be realistic.

While I know it's a thrill to make this claim because it makes for such an easy cheap shot at Lindsey, it still doesn't make it any truer.

Lindsey never compared himself to a starving artist. At that point in the documentary Lindsey was trying to convince Mick that making a double album, which would sell less, shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. He chose an analogy with film makers to try to make this point. As a film maker, one can put out the watered down blockbuster and make money hand over fist, or one can put out something more challenging, and accept that less money will come in, but maybe feel a greater affection and satisfaction about the actual product.

Mick's response, much like yours, was perhaps funny, but not to the point.

It doesn't matter if she worked for three minutes or three months, at least she got up off of her ass and did it instead of lounging about with a guitar and few rolled joints. Pardon me if I don't feel so enthusiastic for someone who sent his girlfriend out to support him while bemoaning the trauma he endured by having to make silly telephone calls for a month. He sure had it rough. :rolleyes:

It doesn't matter if she worked for three minutes? Wait, weren't you just dumping scorn on Lindsey describing a job that lasted just a month?

He "sent his girlfriend out to support him"? Really? It's a shame Stevie had no say in this. It's a shame that nothing Lindsey worked at was in any way meant to help support he and Stevie or prepare for their future. Pardon me if I don't pretend to know everything these people did in their lives when I wasn't there to see it. ;)

Let's face it, pot & hash was a whole lot cheaper back in those days. :D

And it's a silly analogy for a rich corporate rocker to make knowing full well that he's not going to be hurting for the money, whereas a filmmaker like Todd Solondz hasn't exactly been rolling in cash because of his films and has never found great commerical success. It was disingenuous, especially when he started talking about two room apartments.

And I loathe to agree with Mick Fleetwood on anything. :laugh:

Consider yourself pardoned. ;)

He never said he'd be hurting for money. He was trying to convince Mick that making less money than they might didn't have to be the end of the world. In Lindsey's place, faced with Mick who is certainly a man who likes to make a quick buck, what sort of persuasive powers might you try? It seems to me Lindsey chose an anology that he thought might appeal to the artist in Mick.

I didn't know Mick had one. Especially when faced with the prospect of losing money.

Therein was the challenge. I think besides Lindsey, Mick was the other driving force behind Tusk. That was a time when Lindsey was able to be somewhat persuasive with Mick, and Mick himself was more willing to be a bit daring, and he got into the swing of making Tusk what it was. He had misgivings afterwards, which caused a lot hurt feelings between him and Lindsey, but during the making, I think Mick was into it. Mick's first solo album is a fantastic example of Mick's artist at heart. But I think Mick also considers himself a businessman, so the pull between the artist and the huckster is a considerable one. It's one that Lindsey was trying to break through.

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Now now - be fair :laugh:

La Nicks had to clean houses as well and then come home and care for the brilliantly petulant LB, who was stoned on the floor, and then work on the music :shrug: What guy would NOT take that gig, esp. when one as hot as La Nicks was willing to do it :laugh: But - I agree she did not stay at a job at a place of employment all day long.

At least she went to a place of employment. :wavey:

Listen, I could really care less about the whole thing, I just simply can't believe that there are those who will not call a spade a spade and say that he was lazy. He couldn't have worked just like Stevie for 12 hours a week and still have made gorgoeus music? I think not. He was lazy and Stevie going out and working only spoiled him. Why the hell would he get a job if he had her for a sugar tit?

He implied it when he said he had a new house and family to consider :shrug:

In the end, I think LB certainly like to identify with the whole maverick artist image and all that that implies, which ususally, but not always, is the starving artist image, - but he also like the glamour of big time rock and roll all of the luxury that that affords him (who would BTW - I would).

AND - I have no scorn for him for that. It is the way he is - and I love him for it because it has created some brilliant music from the mainstream to the not so mainstream. It just makes me chuckle when he bemoans the very industry off of which he has made a fortune and the one that he seemingly always comes running back to :shrug:

Did you sign a pre nup :laugh:

Keep me and take a lover in the afternoon (Gloriaaaaaa) :cool:

This is the same man who bemoaned the fact that Warners wouldn't release Gift of Screws and then turned around and made it into a Fleetwood Mac album with insufferable Stevie Nicks "songs" tacked on. If he was so concerned with artistic integrity and releasing his art without worrying about money and compromising his vision, he would have released it independently or sought out a small label such as Sanctuary. Instead, he took the commercial approach and feigned shock when the reality sunk in that it was, in fact, a commercial venture and not a very artistic one.

Be fair? This "brilliantly petulant" LB forever on this damned floor stoned? I'd think the state of being perpetually on this floor might have caused some muscular atrophy. It's amazing the man can still walk. ;)

How you could have married such a high-ranking member of the Stevie Brigade in the first place is a mystery to me. The sex must be fabulous. ;)

Ah - but it was artistic to him - I mean he seemed elated La Nicks was coming on board and he said he was knocked out that they were all working together again. So, I think it was an artistic venture, just not one to your liking :nod:

He must have been stoned on the floor again.

Though I did not really say he was "always" stoned, mea culpa for any implication because he most certianly was not always stoned - just apparently when La Nicks got home from working to allow him that luxury :wavey:

Of course it was the 70's and they were in LA - so he could have been always stoned as many were :laugh:

smoking dope reading Creem Magazine waiting to buy a FM record :laugh:

This assumes that he's always able to make just exactly the decisions he and only he wants to make. This assumes that Lindsey feels that Stevie's "insufferable" songs weren't making any artistic contribution to an album. This assumes that he doesn't enjoy his band and wasn't there for any other reason than to make money.

This also isn't the point we were discussing about trying to convince Mick to make a double album with an analogy that you've accused him of using in a way he wasn't.

I also am a high ranking member of the LB brigade :shrug: I mean I flew to Chicago for his Soundstage thingee for goodness sake and I have repeatedly said I think he is a genius and I love his work.

As for Lux - a gentleman never tells :cool:

No, he didn't. That was a different conversation at an entirely different point in the making of the album, when he decided it wasn't smart to personally absorb all losses all by himself, when his artistic plea to Mick failed.

He's a grown man, no one twisted his arm.

"Insufferable" is my opinion.

The fact that he opted to turn it into yet another Mac project with insufferable Stevie Nicks songs after his album had been rejected in the nineties makes it obvious that money was part of the equation.

No, it isn't. Keep up, dear. :laugh:

Well, no :laugh: I think the two cannot be easily separated as they occured in the same general argument. I got the impression overall that LB was very worried about the commercial success of this record and how it would affect his life. I think he just refused to believe that a double CD would not sell. Again, I am not faulting him for this as I would be worried about commerical success as well, esp. considering my band spent probably way over a million dollars making the record, my last solo stuff did not sell well at all, CM (the hit maker) was not there, and I have a new house and family.

where is that pasta!!!!!!! :eek:

Actually, Diss could be both of ours. We could drive him nuts - a relative concept I readily admit and it is a little hard to make water wetter :laugh:

Poor thing. You must be a masochist. I envision Jason getting off by tying you up and forcing you to listen to When I See You Again until you sing it and like it.