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77Rumours77 02-08-2005 02:01 PM

OMG what were they thinking?!?!?!?!
 
I finally got the Madison WI bootleg... The good version! WEll I heard Don't Let Me Down Again. It rock! I wish they wouldn't of dropped it! It rocks! Who cares what the audience though of it.... It was awesome! The guitar work was wonderful in it. I wish it wouldn't of been dropped. :distress:
I would much rather heard that then Say You Will, Say Goodbye, or Goodbye Baby.. which are great songs.
Its such a sham.

strandinthewind 02-08-2005 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 77Rumours77
I finally got the Madison WI bootleg... The good version! WEll I heard Don't Let Me Down Again. It rock! I wish they wouldn't of dropped it! It rocks! Who cares what the audience though of it.... It was awesome! The guitar work was wonderful in it. I wish it wouldn't of been dropped. :distress:
I would much rather heard that then Say You Will, Say Goodbye, or Goodbye Baby.. which are great songs.
Its such a sham.

I was there - it ROCKED :nod: LB seemed not to happy with it at the end of it though. I thought it should have stayed. Alas, they never asked me :laugh:

gldstwmn 02-08-2005 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 77Rumours77
I finally got the Madison WI bootleg... The good version! WEll I heard Don't Let Me Down Again. It rock! I wish they wouldn't of dropped it! It rocks! Who cares what the audience though of it.... It was awesome! The guitar work was wonderful in it. I wish it wouldn't of been dropped. :distress:
I would much rather heard that then Say You Will, Say Goodbye, or Goodbye Baby.. which are great songs.
Its such a sham.

If you saw Lindsey's reaction to the song, you'd know why. He clearly, for whatever reason was not happy with it or playing it, IMO.

The Tower 02-08-2005 02:18 PM

Doesn't surprise me at all. With all the key changing going on to accommodate Stevie's zippo range, why even bother? "Don't Let Me Down Again" was severly lowered, "Running Through the Garden" was dropped a whole step and "Destiny Rules" was raised a whole step or so.

Thanks, Five-Note Stevie!!

strandinthewind 02-08-2005 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tower
Doesn't surprise me at all. With all the key changing going on to accommodate Stevie's zippo range, why even bother? "Don't Let Me Down Again" was severly lowered, "Running Through the Garden" was dropped a whole step and "Destiny Rules" was raised a whole step or so.

Thanks, Five-Note Stevie!!

There you go again :laugh:

HomerMcvie 02-08-2005 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tower
Thanks, Five-Note Stevie!!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

dissention 02-08-2005 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tower
Thanks, Five-Note Stevie!!

I know you're a nice guy, but don't be too generous. That estimation of yours is bit much. ;)

David 02-08-2005 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tower
"Don't Let Me Down Again" was severly lowered

Fleetwood Mac used to play it in A. What key did they drop it to last year?

estranged4life 02-08-2005 03:17 PM

Yep...
 
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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
If you saw Lindsey's reaction to the song, you'd know why. He clearly, for whatever reason was not happy with it or playing it, IMO.

the DVD-R of this concert shows his disdain for the song...They looked rather bored as they played.

Brian "How many @#$%^& sisters do I frikkin' have? :mad: " j.

The Tower 02-08-2005 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
There you go again :laugh:

:p Well, it is my biggest Stevie pet-peeve after all :p

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Originally Posted by dissention
I know you're a nice guy, but don't be too generous. That estimation of yours is bit much. ;)

Yeah, I just heard another live bootleg of "Rhiannon" from 2004 SYW tour and it was just miserable. I'll never for the life of me figure out how that woman gets up the nerve to go on stage and croak out the end of that song these days.... UGH.

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Originally Posted by David
Fleetwood Mac used to play it in A. What key did they drop it to last year?

It is LOW. I'll get out my guitar tonight and figure it out.

dissention 02-08-2005 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tower
Yeah, I just heard another live bootleg of "Rhiannon" from 2004 SYW tour and it was just miserable. I'll never for the life of me figure out how that woman gets up the nerve to go on stage and croak out the end of that song these days.... UGH.

Those are pretty miserable, but nowhere near as torturous as Say You Will live. I feel like crawling under a rock when I hear it. It's especially bad on Live In Boston, christ.

Serrart 02-08-2005 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tower
Yeah, I just heard another live bootleg of "Rhiannon" from 2004 SYW tour and it was just miserable. I'll never for the life of me figure out how that woman gets up the nerve to go on stage and croak out the end of that song these days.... UGH.

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Originally Posted by dissention
Those are pretty miserable, but nowhere near as torturous as Say You Will live. I feel like crawling under a rock when I hear it. It's especially bad on Live In Boston, christ.

''The weird sisters, hand in hand,
Posters of the sea and land,
Thus do go about, about:
Thrice to thine and thrice to mine
And thrice again, to make up nine.
Peace! the charm's wound up..."

But you miss a sister... ;)

Romy

Kelly 02-08-2005 07:14 PM

I am sure Linds was just so disgusted with her singing during DLMDA that he insisted it be dropped. :rolleyes: Seriously, does Stevie ever sound even remotely decent on anything she does? :distress:

Basically she should pack it in, as she has lost quite alot of her range. She is no longer talented. :distress:

strandinthewind 02-08-2005 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelly
I am sure Linds was just so disgusted with her singing during DLMDA that he insisted it be dropped. :rolleyes: Seriously, does Stevie ever sound even remotely decent on anything she does? :distress:

Basically she should pack it in, as she has lost quite alot of her range. She is no longer talented. :distress:

Don't take the bait!!!!!! :cool:

ontheEdgeof17 02-08-2005 07:22 PM

I dunno why they added it in the first place....:shrug:


I would have prefered Monday Morning in it's place.

strandinthewind 02-08-2005 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
I dunno why they added it in the first place....:shrug:


I would have prefered Monday Morning in it's place.

They rehearsed it - but chose not to - maybe because CM was not there. I LOVE Monday Morning and wish they would open with it.

ontheEdgeof17 02-08-2005 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
They rehearsed it - but chose not to - maybe because CM was not there. I LOVE Monday Morning and wish they would open with it.


I know they rehearsed it. They said it didn't have a "place" in the set. Whatever that means.... :lol: They don't know how to switch stuff around in order to fit in a new song.


"Hrmm....Let's just drop Gypsy and put Sara in it's place....Come into Sara....sounds good!" GOOD GRIEF!

The Tower 02-08-2005 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelly
I am sure Linds was just so disgusted with her singing during DLMDA that he insisted it be dropped. :rolleyes: Seriously, does Stevie ever sound even remotely decent on anything she does? :distress:

Basically she should pack it in, as she has lost quite alot of her range. She is no longer talented. :distress:

Lindsey may not have been disgusted by it, but I certainly wasn't impressed.

Yeah, she definitely should pack "Rhiannon" in. "Beautiful Child" was fantastic, but she's kidding herself if she thinks she can do justice to "Rhiannon" anymore.

henryscutter 02-08-2005 08:34 PM

Ya maybe Stevie could put a little more effort into some of those songs night after night, but compared to Lindsey's singing she sounds awesome. Your letting him off pretty easy. Most of the boots I've heard he is singing way off. Stevie sounds great when she is singing harmony, so DLMD was probably dropped because Lindsey is a moody diva :laugh: :shocked:

MikeVielhaber 02-08-2005 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 77Rumours77
I finally got the Madison WI bootleg... The good version! WEll I heard Don't Let Me Down Again. It rock! I wish they wouldn't of dropped it! It rocks! Who cares what the audience though of it.... It was awesome! The guitar work was wonderful in it. I wish it wouldn't of been dropped. :distress:
I would much rather heard that then Say You Will, Say Goodbye, or Goodbye Baby.. which are great songs.
Its such a sham.

I take it that you wish it would not have been dropped from the set list

strandinthewind 02-08-2005 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by henryscutter
Ya maybe Stevie could put a little more effort into some of those songs night after night, but compared to Lindsey's singing she sounds awesome. Your letting him off pretty easy. Most of the boots I've heard he is singing way off. Stevie sounds great when she is singing harmony, so DLMD was probably dropped because Lindsey is a moody diva :laugh: :shocked:

I LOVE CARNIVALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

henryscutter 02-08-2005 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
I LOVE CARNIVALE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:wavey: oh ya, I'm addicted to it. It gets more interesting every week :thumbsup:

strandinthewind 02-08-2005 09:00 PM

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:wavey: oh ya, I'm addicted to it. It gets more interesting every week :thumbsup:

The Clan thing is a little silly - but I love it. I wait VERY impatiently for Sundays!!!!! :cool:

The Tower 02-08-2005 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by David
Fleetwood Mac used to play it in A. What key did they drop it to last year?

They lowered it to the key of E ...... :eek:

What on earth were they thinking??

strandinthewind 02-08-2005 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tower
They lowered it to the key of E ...... :eek:

What on earth were they thinking??

Did you notice the less prominent guitar playing out of key - or is that must my imagination :eek:

The Tower 02-08-2005 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
Did you notice the less prominent guitar playing out of key - or is that must my imagination :eek:

It wasn't as zesty. What I don't think they realized is that by lowering the key it had the audial illusion of dragging the song down. Ya know- like in the old days when you would take a 45rpm single and click the speed control down to 33rpm.

Add to that the listless vocals dragging it down even further and you've got a receipe for disaster. One of the main reasons that song kicked ass to begin with was the fact that both Lindsey and Stevie were wailing the lead and high harmony. I dunno.... Some impartial party needs to get in on those rehearsal sessions and kick some ass and sense into their heads when they decide to do these things.

strandinthewind 02-08-2005 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tower
It wasn't as zesty. What I don't think they realized is that by lowering the key it had the audial illusion of dragging the song down. Ya know- like in the old days when you would take a 45rpm single and click the speed control down to 33rpm.

Add to that the listless vocals dragging it down even further and you've got a receipe for disaster. One of the main reasons that song kicked ass to begin with was the fact that both Lindsey and Stevie were wailing the lead and high harmony. I dunno.... Some impartial party needs to get in on those rehearsal sessions and kick some ass and sense into their heads when they decide to do these things.

I was their and saw it live. The "defect" you bring up was very apparent - though I enjoyed hearing the song for the novelty of it.

I think they could keep the key perhaps if they returned it to its original speed. But higher and faster is ALWAYS better in this kind of thing :cool:

David 02-09-2005 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
Did you notice the less prominent guitar playing out of key - or is that must my imagination :eek:

From A to E is a helluva drop. Did Lindsey continue to play the song in A & just rely on artificial means to drop the tuning, or did he actually play it in E?

That could be why they dropped it. He's been playing the song for thirty years in A, tries to learn it in E in order to accommodate older vocals (his & Stevie's), & just can't get it to hang in the new key. That happens a lot with people who learn a song all over in a different key. Fingering changes, hand position changes, attack changes, etc. And then you've got your memory problems -- halfway through the song in the new key, your fingers "remember" a lick from the old key & inadvertently insert it. It's a bitch.

Of course, pianists using electronic or digital boards don't have this problem owing to the magical little transpose button.

strandinthewind 02-09-2005 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by David
From A to E is a helluva drop. Did Lindsey continue to play the song in A & just rely on artificial means to drop the tuning, or did he actually play it in E?

That could be why they dropped it. He's been playing the song for thirty years in A, tries to learn it in E in order to accommodate older vocals (his & Stevie's), & just can't get it to hang in the new key. That happens a lot with people who learn a song all over in a different key. Fingering changes, hand position changes, attack changes, etc. And then you've got your memory problems -- halfway through the song in the new key, your fingers "remember" a lick from the old key & inadvertently insert it. It's a bitch.

Of course, pianists using electronic or digital boards don't have this problem owing to the magical little transpose button.

It sounded like they played it in the lower key throughout - though I am no expert on keys by any means. He looked positively pissed after it and many noticed it. To be fair, that night in Madison had previous guitar malfunctions that stopped the show twice - so maybe during the song, he realized his guitar or someone else's was out of tune. One of them sure sounded out of tune to me, but that could be the effect Tower referred to earlier. Having said all of that :laugh: - it was way cool to hear it and I wish they would have kept it in the set.

gldstwmn 02-09-2005 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Tower
Some impartial party needs to get in on those rehearsal sessions and kick some ass and sense into their heads when they decide to do these things.

When we talked with Ray Lindsey in Madison, he didn't seem too thrilled that he would be up on stage playing DLMDA. In fact, he seemed a bit mystified by it. So maybe someone did try to tell them but to no avail. :shrug:

gldstwmn 02-09-2005 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
It sounded like they played it in the lower key throughout - though I am no expert on keys by any means. He looked positively pissed after it and many noticed it. To be fair, that night in Madison had previous guitar malfunctions that stopped the show twice - so maybe during the song, he realized his guitar or someone else's was out of tune. One of them sure sounded out of tune to me, but that could be the effect Tower referred to earlier. Having said all of that :laugh: - it was way cool to hear it and I wish they would have kept it in the set.

Not to be mean but at one point it sounded like Mick was off time as well.

Gazza 02-09-2005 04:23 PM

Have Stevie or Lindsey ever taken singing lessons? Because both seem to have done a lot of damage to their voices over the years.

I'm a Lindsey fan, but some people are being a bit harsh on Stevie's vocals here. It's not like Lindseys voice is what it was either.

But I suppose the real difference to me is that what Lindsey lacks in his vocals he makes up by playing some of the most angry guitar he's ever played. Stevie still has a great presence, but she does seem rather bored at times.

I think what they need to do is sleep with each other one more time. :angel:

ontheEdgeof17 02-09-2005 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gazza

I think what they need to do is sleep with each other one more time. :angel:

:lol: :laugh:

It always seems to heal my voice, if I can get you in my pants....

strandinthewind 02-09-2005 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
:lol: :laugh:

It always seems to heal my voice, if I can get you in my pants....

:] :] :] :] :] :]


and yes Goldie - Mick seemed off as well. The song did not go over that well, though I liked it :cool:

Highway Woman 02-09-2005 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
They rehearsed it - but chose not to - maybe because CM was not there.

If Chris's absense affected the songs they chose, you'd think they would've dropped World Turning.

strandinthewind 02-09-2005 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Highway Woman
If Chris's absense affected the songs they chose, you'd think they would've dropped World Turning.

true - but you never know with these people :laugh: Plus, there is NO WAY Mick will EVER miss a chance to have the vesturbation - much to my chagrain :laugh: - esp. considering another song could be played during that ten minute bathroom break :laugh:

estranged4life 02-09-2005 06:04 PM

Uh...
 
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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
true - but you never know with these people :laugh: Plus, there is NO WAY Mick will EVER miss a chance to have the vesturbation - much to my chagrain :laugh: - esp. considering another song could be played during that ten minute bathroom break :laugh:

ya could play 2-3 songs in the time it takes Mick to just vestubate...Drop the solo and add more songs :nod:

diamondsnake 02-09-2005 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelly
I am sure Linds was just so disgusted with her singing during DLMDA that he insisted it be dropped. :rolleyes: Seriously, does Stevie ever sound even remotely decent on anything she does? :distress:

Basically she should pack it in, as she has lost quite alot of her range. She is no longer talented. :distress:

That is harsh, and yes Stevie sounds more then romotely decent on most things. In my opinion, everything. If you want real bad listen to Lindsey Buckingham on everything (sans Say Goodbye) from the Say You Will tour. Stevie sounded amazing on Beautiful Child, Say Goodbye, Goodbye Baby, Sara, Landslide, Stand Back (which was the highlight at all the shows I went to). Most people argue that Rhiannon sucked this tour but when I listen to the LIB Rhiannon I think it is amazing... the last minute of that song is more passionate then anything else on the DVD, IMHO.

Gazza 02-09-2005 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
:lol: :laugh:

It always seems to heal my voice, if I can get you in my pants....

Exactly. And if Lindsey is worried about his wife he can justify it by telling her that it's all for the sake of the music, or just give her the everything happens in cycles speech.

ontheEdgeof17 02-09-2005 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by diamondsnake
That is harsh, and yes Stevie sounds more then romotely decent on most things. In my opinion, everything. If you want real bad listen to Lindsey Buckingham on everything (sans Say Goodbye) from the Say You Will tour. Stevie sounded amazing on Beautiful Child, Say Goodbye, Goodbye Baby, Sara, Landslide, Stand Back (which was the highlight at all the shows I went to). Most people argue that Rhiannon sucked this tour but when I listen to the LIB Rhiannon I think it is amazing... the last minute of that song is more passionate then anything else on the DVD, IMHO.


I know that Kelly loves Stevie dearly. I think her post was meant to be sarcastic. :o


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