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Lindsey Jr. 01-26-2005 02:41 PM

I don't get it...
 
I don't understand why people say that Christine is out of FM. Sure, she didn't tour for say you will and you can hear her only on a few songs and she is listed as a guest, but I've read reviews of syw saying that they miss Christine, and some of the reviewers didn't seem to know that she played on it.

And last year she said something like "There isn't a day that I don't think about Fleetwood Mac", right ?

So, we might see her return for a new album...

As much as I am a LB fan, I would love to see her playing with the band again.

AliceLover 01-26-2005 02:49 PM

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IF she ever came back id be so thrilled

paperdoll 01-26-2005 03:19 PM

As much as I'd LOVE to see it, I just don't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong.
--Amy

Villavic 01-26-2005 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by paperdoll
As much as I'd LOVE to see it, I just don't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong.
--Amy

I agree 100%. I love Christine and the Rumours lineup is magical, superb, wonderful, the top!

But.. Chris seems to be retired. Yes she recorded an album but didn't tour, she doesn't want to leave England. She doesn't want to tour nor spend months in America recording a new mac album. I see she wants a quiet life. So it seems to me that she is not in the band.

She was not fired, I think she would be more than welcome if Fleetwood Mac record a new album and Chris wants to be involved but... I don't see it happening either.

StevieNicksEO17 01-26-2005 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lindsey Jr.
As much as I am a LB fan, I would love to see her playing with the band again.

I am a HUGE Stevie fan, but feel the same way. It just isn't the same without Chris! :xoxo:

NicksIllume 01-26-2005 04:48 PM

As long as Christine is happy, I'm happy and happy for her.

David 01-26-2005 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lindsey Jr.
I don't understand why people say that Christine is out of FM.

Because Christine herself said so.
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Sure, she didn't tour for say you will and you can hear her only on a few songs and she is listed as a guest, but I've read reviews of syw saying that they miss Christine, and some of the reviewers didn't seem to know that she played on it.
I'm not sure what that has to do with her having retired from Fleetwood Mac, unless you mean that she participated in the making of the new album. But she didn't, really. She participated in the making of Lindsey's 4th solo album many years ago, & her work was just ported over to the new Fleetwood album.
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So, we might see her return for a new album...
Possibly. One never knows . . . .

GateandGarden 01-26-2005 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by NicksIllume
As long as Christine is happy, I'm happy and happy for her.

I feel the same way. I can't blame her for wanting to stay at home. I think she's done much more for the band than anyone expected her to do. I would love to see her back with them, but I wouldn't push for it because, from what I've read, it really isn't what she wants at all.

NicksIllume 01-26-2005 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
I feel the same way. I can't blame her for wanting to stay at home. I think she's much more for the band than anyone expected her to do. I would love to see her back with them, but I wouldn't push for it because, from what I've read, it really isn't what she wants at all.

I love your banner in your signature. I've been meaning to tell you, but I never get around to it!

Johnny Stew 01-26-2005 07:53 PM

I think we'll see full participation from Christine on a new Mac studio album, the day the band finally decides to quit touring.

It's obvious she loves her quiet life at home in England (and she's earned the luxury to stay home), but it's also obvious from the release of 'In The Meantime,' that she still has the desire to write and record.
The touring with Fleetwood Mac seems to be the big deal-breaker.

Remove touring from the equation, and I bet Christine would be there.

I love the Buckingham & Nicks-lead 'Say You Will,' and I'm interested in hearing what more those two could do if they collaborated from the ground up on another album... but I'd also love to see Christine return. Even if it's for one final studio album with the Mac.

GypsySorcerer 01-26-2005 09:10 PM

I think the days of Chris being a part of FM are over. Never say never, but I don't see it happening. But I do miss her very much, and if she came back, I'd be very happy. :D

macfan 57 01-27-2005 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew

It's obvious she loves her quiet life at home in England (and she's earned the luxury to stay home), but it's also obvious from the release of 'In The Meantime,' that she still has the desire to write and record.
The touring with Fleetwood Mac seems to be the big deal-breaker.

Remove touring from the equation, and I bet Christine would be there.

I would agree with that, EXCEPT I don't think she'd be willing to spend any significant amount of time away from her family, dogs & home. She spent about a week or so in New York doing a little promotion for In The Meantime & she sounded as if she was already looking forward to getting back home again. I HOPE she records again because I think making In The Meantime was a lot of fun for her(and for me too listening to it). This also assumes that there will be another Fleetwood Mac album. Nothing is ever guaranteed.

Gailh 01-27-2005 10:17 AM

I am in denial about Christine leaving.

Anyway is it technically possible for her to leave? Isn't that like divorcing your own family?

Actually I don't think she will ever record a whole album with them again. Maybe one song and some harmonies. I'm sure Lindsey would like to spend a few weeks in the English countryside which is all it would take.

We just need a coalition of the willing. :laugh:

Gail

GateandGarden 01-27-2005 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by NicksIllume
I love your banner in your signature. I've been meaning to tell you, but I never get around to it!

Thank you! :xoxo: :)

Villavic 01-27-2005 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
I think we'll see full participation from Christine on a new Mac studio album, the day the band finally decides to quit touring.

But they could tour without Chris.
I think there are 2 reasons. the tour and being in England. She doesn't want to stay in the States for long time.

So, what about recording in England? I think she doesn't want to force the 4 members to move to England for weeks or months, to record. But if they agree, why not? Now, it would be hard for those who have small children, but everything is possible.

And if everybody agree to record in England, and then touring without Chris, we could get finally a wonderful album.

HomerMcvie 01-27-2005 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Villavic
But they could tour without Chris.
I think there are 2 reasons. the tour and being in England. She doesn't want to stay in the States for long time.

So, what about recording in England? I think she doesn't want to force the 4 members to move to England for weeks or months, to record. But if they agree, why not? Now, it would be hard for those who have small children, but everything is possible.

And if everybody agree to record in England, and then touring without Chris, we could get finally a wonderful album.

But, Chris has always had the most hits. Poppy, radio friendly hits. How could you go on tour(assuming she has a hit from the new album), and not play your newest hit?
I think the only way would/will be when their touring days are over.... :angel:

Lindsey Jr. 01-27-2005 02:19 PM

Yes, but "there isn't a day..." proves that she'll come back... in my opinion that is.

One day.

Soon.

jbrownsjr 01-27-2005 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by David
Because Christine herself said so.
I'm not sure what that has to do with her having retired from Fleetwood Mac, unless you mean that she participated in the making of the new album. But she didn't, really. She participated in the making of Lindsey's 4th solo album many years ago, & her work was just ported over to the new Fleetwood album.
Possibly. One never knows . . . .

David stop badgering us with your facts and correct information!

She's coming back dammit and that's all there is to it!

Put's on blonde wig and grabs yamaha keyboard.... :D

Lindsey Jr. 01-27-2005 02:48 PM

correct me if I'm wrong!
 
Btw, she said "there isn't a single day that I don't think about FM" right ?

Brwn_eyes0511 01-27-2005 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
I feel the same way. I can't blame her for wanting to stay at home. I think she's done much more for the band than anyone expected her to do. I would love to see her back with them, but I wouldn't push for it because, from what I've read, it really isn't what she wants at all.

Yea I know...she REALLY wanted to retire in the late 1960's and just be a housewife...but they got her to join the Mac (THANK GOD!). And then I remember her saying once, while making Tusk she wanted to stop touring in a few years....lol....and almost 20 years later she was still touring.

So, I agree she has done more than anyone expected! But If she ever wants to just come back and record with the Mac and skip out on touring...that would be fine with me ;)

Brwn_eyes0511 01-27-2005 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr
David stop badgering us with your facts and correct information!

She's coming back dammit and that's all there is to it!

Put's on blonde wig and grabs yamaha keyboard.... :D

LMAO :lol: :laugh: :lol:

NicksIllume 01-27-2005 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr
Put's on blonde wig and grabs yamaha keyboard.... :D

:laugh: What about the mini skirt?

jbrownsjr 01-27-2005 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NicksIllume
:laugh: What about the mini skirt?


Christine in her mini! remember that pic!

that's an oldie but goodie

hey illume, do you have any more pics of CM at the vibaphone, or xylaphone?

i love those

NicksIllume 01-27-2005 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr
Christine in her mini! remember that pic!

that's an oldie but goodie

hey illume, do you have any more pics of CM at the vibaphone, or xylaphone?

i love those

Everytime I see a picture of that woman in a mini skirt, my mind starts playing ZZ Top's Legs.

Umm...what exactly am I looking for in my collection of photos?

Miss Vicky 01-27-2005 10:23 PM

I'm going to risk the wrath of other ledgies here and say that I was less than heartbroken when I learned that Christine had left the band (and indeed she HAS left the band which she has stated herself). Her leaving allowed the dynamic and musical focus of the band to change, for the better if you ask me. Their music is harder, faster, more rocking: Much more guitar and bass driven than piano driven, with less focus on vocal harmonies and more focus on the individual singers.
Most importantly for me, it has allowed Lindsey to not only take a larger share of the album space, but to use songs that might not have worked in the old situation. Had there been a stronger feminine influence in the band, I just don't think that a song such as "Come" or even "Murrow" would have made the cut. As it was Stevie tried to keep "Come" off the album and off the tour.
As much as I like most of Christine's work and the work that Fleetwood Mac has done with her, I think that the songs that make up Say You Will are some of the best that Lindsey and Stevie have produced - as part of FM or solo - in a very long time.

Alexbt 01-27-2005 10:39 PM

To be honest, I've never cared for most of Lindsey's work. I only like a handful of tracks on Say You Will, and they're mostly Stevie's.

HomerMcvie 01-27-2005 11:19 PM

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Their music is harder, faster, more rocking: Much more guitar and bass driven than piano driven, with less focus on vocal harmonies and more focus on the individual singers.
Yeah, ALOT less of what made them BIG F*cking stars.
Hmm, how much did SYW sell? I thought so......
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Had there been a stronger feminine influence in the band, I just don't think that a song such as "Come" or even "Murrow" would have made the cut.
My god, you're in the wrong forum. AFAIK, most of us here HATE Come and Murrow. At best, they belong on Lindsey's solo album(if he ever has another).
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I'm going to risk the wrath of other ledgies here and say that I was less than heartbroken when I learned that Christine had left the band
Well, I guess there's no accounting for taste!

Miss Vicky 01-28-2005 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie
Yeah, ALOT less of what made them BIG F*cking stars.
Hmm, how much did SYW sell? I thought so......
My god, you're in the wrong forum. AFAIK, most of us here HATE Come and Murrow. At best, they belong on Lindsey's solo album(if he ever has another).
Well, I guess there's no accounting for taste!

Wrong forum? Forgive me if I don't see the point in preaching to the choir.

As for how much SYW sold and what made them "BIG F*cking stars" that has absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making. Christine is very talented and has a knack for writing radio-friendly pop songs. This fact is undeniable.
However, I'm not interested in how many records a band sells nor am I interested in radio-friendly pop songs. I have always favored a harder, more edgy style. Therefore, the change in the band's dynamic was a positive thing for me. I was simply stating how I feel about Christine's departure and did my best to give support to my opinion.

As for most of the people on this forum hating "Come" and "Murrow" I guess there really is no accounting for taste.

HomerMcvie 01-28-2005 02:58 AM

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I was less than heartbroken when I learned that Christine had left the band
Yet, you post this under Chris' forum. I would dare say, that nearly all of us in this forum WERE heartbroken by her departure.
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Wrong forum? Forgive me if I don't see the point in preaching to the choir.
Preaching to the choir?, about how that you're not heartbroken that she's gone.... where's my Kleenex?
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I have always favored a harder, more edgy style. Therefore, the change in the band's dynamic was a positive thing for me. I was simply stating how I feel about Christine's departure and did my best to give support to my opinion.
I'm not trying to jump your ass, but,.............we, here, are HUGE Christine fans, and, NOT happy that she's gone.

amber 01-28-2005 03:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Vicky
Wrong forum? Forgive me if I don't see the point in preaching to the choir.

As for how much SYW sold and what made them "BIG F*cking stars" that has absolutely nothing to do with the point I was making. Christine is very talented and has a knack for writing radio-friendly pop songs. This fact is undeniable.
However, I'm not interested in how many records a band sells nor am I interested in radio-friendly pop songs. I have always favored a harder, more edgy style. Therefore, the change in the band's dynamic was a positive thing for me. I was simply stating how I feel about Christine's departure and did my best to give support to my opinion.

As for most of the people on this forum hating "Come" and "Murrow" I guess there really is no accounting for taste.

Ah! I may feel the same, but usually refrain from saying so in the Christine forum. I respect the lady, her contributions, etc. And, I think some of her songs are brill. She's not my fav, but when i watch those tapes of old performances, I really miss her on such songs as Rhiannon, and SOTM...and, i'm sure, many others. She has a quiet brilliance, IMO. And if you're not a super christine fan, like me, you should still be able to note that her contributions, while subtle, are inimitable and veeeeeery valuable. Her harmonies and keyboard, singing with Stevie and Lindsey, no less, are cause for awards and kudos. In that way that no one ever gives props to the backround singers, and the backround band, but really, they make the songs just as much as the main players. :nod:
IMO.

macfan 57 01-28-2005 07:20 AM

I think Homer spoke very well for the rest of us here. :) In my opinion, SYW consisted of 2 solo albums thrown together for marketing purposes. It's gone & forgotten as far as I'm concerned. And, Christine was NOT a back up singer in Fleetwood Mac and Chris, Mick & John were NOT the back up band. The Rumours line-up was made up of 5 equal parts which added up to a wonderful, magical whole.

Gailh 01-28-2005 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by macfan 57
I think Homer spoke very well for the rest of us here. :) In my opinion, SYW consisted of 2 solo albums thrown together for marketing purposes. It's gone & forgotten as far as I'm concerned. And, Christine was NOT a back up singer in Fleetwood Mac and Chris, Mick & John were NOT the back up band. The Rumours line-up was made up of 5 equal parts which added up to a wonderful, magical whole.

Well said Macfan!

The Rumours lineup had a chemistry, a magic all of its own.

With Christine gone the balance went with her.

I quite like SYW although (I'm going to sound like a stuck record now) it's too long.

Now when they play live there's more than one opportunity to go for a wee if you need to.

When I saw them at Earls Court my jacket splipped off the back of the seat and fell down outside the seating area. Not to worry I thought I'll fetch it when World Turning comes on. As it happens I went to get it when Come was playing. How convenient! Or have I got that the wrong way round?

Gail

GateandGarden 01-28-2005 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie
Yet, you post this under Chris' forum. I would dare say, that nearly all of us in this forum WERE heartbroken by her departure.
Preaching to the choir?, about how that you're not heartbroken that she's gone.... where's my Kleenex?
I'm not trying to jump your ass, but,.............we, here, are HUGE Christine fans, and, NOT happy that she's gone.

I agree with you in that I miss Christine being in the band, but I don't see the problem with Miss Vicky's comments. If we can poke fun at and criticize the other members of the band as we please, I don't see why Christine should be immune to that. It's generally accepted on this board, right? :shrug: We shouldn't have to be afraid to say we really don't like this or that. On the other hand, I don't think she would have necessarily been preaching to the choir had she said this in another forum, because I'm sure the Christine fans would pop up there as well. Either way, I don't think it's a big deal.

As for my opinion about the whole thing...she said that she prefers the emphasis on individual voices instead of harmonies, and though I can see that, I just don't feel the same way. I look to the solo albums for emphasis on the individual voices and really, really enjoy the harmonies in Fleetwood Mac, which I often like even more when Christine is involved. I'm not a huge fan of "Come" or "Murrow," but that's me. :shrug: I do think SYW has some of Lindsey's best, though. Even though some of it plays like a solo album to me, couldn't one say the same for his Tusk material? :shrug:

ontheEdgeof17 01-28-2005 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
I agree with you in that I miss Christine being in the band, but I don't see the problem with Miss Vicky's comments. If we can poke fun at and criticize the other members of the band as we please, I don't see why Christine should be immune to that. It's generally accepted on this board, right? :shrug: We shouldn't have to be afraid to say we really don't like this or that. On the other hand, I don't think she would have necessarily been preaching to the choir had she said this in another forum, because I'm sure the Christine fans would pop up there as well. Either way, I don't think it's a big deal.


Well said. :thumbsup:

I don't get all this anger this place has had lately. :shrug: Some people can express themselves, but others can't? I don't get it.


And as for Chris.....I wasn't that heartbroken either that she left the band. I'd rather have her happy than have her doing tours/albums that she doesn't want to do to please the fans. Besides, we probably wouldn't have ITM if she stayed.

Miss Vicky 01-28-2005 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie
I'm not trying to jump your ass, but,.............we, here, are HUGE Christine fans, and, NOT happy that she's gone.

DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. :mad: I never said that I was happy that she's gone. I said that I was not heartbroken about it, and there's a difference. I also said I like most of Christine's work and the work that Fleetwood Mac has done with her but apparently you failed to read that part. And you are jumping my ass, which is fine, but you could at least consider everything I've said (rather than just what you disagree with) before you do it.

GypsySorcerer 01-28-2005 12:09 PM

I definitely prefer FM with Christine. I did think SYW was overall, a very good album. Definitely some of Lindsey's best work to date. But for me, it was because of his improved lyrical skills, rather than Christine's departure. I liked most of Stevie's songs. But dare I say, I liked many on TISL better?

But the bottom line is, as much as I miss Chris, I will take FM any way I can get them. Short of Bekka Bramlett. :)

GateandGarden 01-28-2005 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer
Definitely some of Lindsey's best work to date. But for me, it was because of his improved lyrical skills, rather than Christine's departure. I liked most of Stevie's songs. But dare I say, I liked many on TISL better?

I am so with you on this. :nod:

Little Nicki 01-28-2005 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Lindsey Jr.
I don't understand why people say that Christine is out of FM. Sure, she didn't tour for say you will and you can hear her only on a few songs and she is listed as a guest, but I've read reviews of syw saying that they miss Christine, and some of the reviewers didn't seem to know that she played on it.

And last year she said something like "There isn't a day that I don't think about Fleetwood Mac", right ?

So, we might see her return for a new album...

As much as I am a LB fan, I would love to see her playing with the band again.

I know this is weird but...christine never really did it for me. Her songs were all right, but I just was never interested in her. Whenever I saw her, she looked so bored. Seeing LB and SN together on this tour this year and last year was so awesome. It was like we could relive the Buckingham Nicks magic :)

I wouldn't mind if she didn't come back. I enjoyed "Say You Will" a whole lot with out her. :sorry:

Villavic 01-28-2005 01:12 PM

I'm not a Christine fan, but a die hard Rumours lineup fan. To me, that lineup is the FLEETWOOD MAC I adore.

So SYW is not one of my fave albums (nor Behind the Mask). I don't see SYW as 2 joined solo albums, but I do realize something is missing, and is not only Chris voice, but the chemistry of the 5 guys working together in a studio, and producing huge albums as Tusk, Rumours or Tango.

John and Mick as the rhythm section, Lindsey the architect, Stevie a queen of rock bringing beautiful songs, Christine with other beautiful songs and adding the glue that makes the Fleetwood Mac sound, (yes, to me the Fleetwood Mac sound is not brought by Lindsey, but by the 5 guys)

Well the point of this thread was asking if Chris is out of the band. Sadly, to me, she is out, but I know she would be welcome.

Lindsey Jr. 01-29-2005 04:48 AM

The only thing I miss on syw is Christine's warm voice. But I'd like to say that it's stupid to call it a bad album because she's absent. Everyone agrees that there are some (very) poor songs on it, but on the opposite are very beautiful ones as well. With her in the band it would've been a SUPERB cd, without any weak ones. But hey, syw is sometimes very pleasant and some songs really touch you. Something you cannot say about those idiot "idols" or Britney's.


Rock on gold dust woman!


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