W shows true abortion colors
 

Bush speaks by phone to anti-abortion protesters

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush told abortion foes on Monday he shared their support for "a culture of life" and claimed progress in passing legislation to protect the vulnerable.

"We need most of all to change hearts and that is what we're doing," Bush said as anti-abortion activists marked the 32nd anniversary of the Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion with a day of rallies, protests and other activities.

The issue took on new urgency with the likelihood of a high court vacancy.

Bush addressed marchers by phone from the presidential retreat at Camp David, Maryland, where he had spent the weekend.

Every anniversary of Roe v. Wade, the 1973 Supreme Court decision, prompts demonstrations by opponents and proponents of abortion rights. Activists on both sides of the abortion issue marched in demonstrations across the country Saturday, the actual anniversary of the January 23 decision.

This year there is increasing speculation about Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist's health. Three other justices have had cancer.

One or more court vacancies would give President Bush the chance to install another justice or justices who oppose the Roe decision, increasing the likelihood that at some point, the ruling could be overturned.

Bush conceded that a society "where every child is welcome...may still be some way away."

Still, he said, he was working with Congress to pass "good, solid legislation to protect the vulnerable." He cited his signing of legislation last year to outlaw certain late-term abortions.

"You know, we come from many, different backgrounds, but what unites us is our understanding that the essence of civilization is this: The strong have a duty to protect the weak," Bush said. He has said he supports a constitutional amendment to outlaw abortion, but has not actively pushed for it.

Bush also said that he would continue "seeking common ground where possible and persuading increasing numbers of our fellow citizens of the rightness of our cause. This is the path of the culture of life that we seek for our country."

On Monday, abortion opponents staged a rally before a march from the Ellipse to the Supreme Court. Other groups opposed to abortion rights were holding events on Capitol Hill.

NARAL Pro-Choice America has projected that 19 states would quickly outlaw abortion, and 19 more might follow suit, if Roe v. Wade were overturned.

Last week, Norma McCorvey, the woman known as "Jane Roe" in Roe v. Wade, asked the Supreme Court to overturn its 1973 decision.

Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/01/24/bu....ap/index.html

Too bad no one was there to ask him about the illegal abortion he procured for Robin Lowman in 1971 after he got her pregnant.
It was good enough for him then.

Gee...
 

big surprise...Man, if anyone was holding their breath that "W" would change his opinion on abortion you can let yer "blue faced/if not dead yet" mouth open now.

And therein lies (pun intended) the rank hypocrisy of just about everyone I personally know that opposes abortion. Many of them have had one themselves or have had a girlfriend who had one with their blessings. I get that they may now "regret" it - but my point is they sure as hell knew what they were doing when they had it and they did not let any future regret get them out of their little situation at the time. To me, it is hypocrisy and a day late and a dollar short to say YEARS later - oh I made a mistake forgive me, esp. considering they knew about it then and they damn well knew what they were doing because 99/9% of them did it in a hush hush manner so the Jones would not know that they were preggers out of wedlock, which was usually the case in situations I am talking about, which are the only situations I am talking about and I recognize others may have difference experiences, etc.

I nsum, it is sort of like moving in next to the airport runway and then five years later complaining about the noise :shrug:

It's so frustrating. If men bore children abortion would be legal and stay legal.

Here's the Bush abortion story for anyone interested.
http://drunkreport.com/reports/bushabortion.htm

CNN was so freaked when Larry Flynt discussed the abortion on their show Crossfire, they deleted the entire transcript form its' web site.

Oh man. :distress: No one wanted to touch that story, just like any story that may shine a harsh light on this president.

Libel is never pretty.

Interestingly, I do not think the Bush family would ever DARE to sue for libel. So, it would have to come from the woman or the hospital where the procedure was performed. But, even then, if this is true, the Bush family most certainly would silence ANY fanning of the flames on this because court cases have a funny way of bringing things out that most with egg on their face would prefer never see the light of day. A good example is the interviews of the witnesses - I can promise you W and associates do not want that repeated over and over again even though if it did happen, Rove would leave no stone unturned and pull out all of the stops to destroy ANY credibility any of these people may have had. Remember, Rove is not above sacrificing the innocent to stay in power no matter what the end result is for the victims.

I disagree. I think the facts are out there. I think the stories have been told by the media - perhaps not as much as they sould have been in a subjective sense, but the media reported them. I think the public does not care and the D's have given the public a strong enough candidate for them to care and for them to ignore the Churches' hypocritical stance against the D's for being pro-choice. I say hypocritical because the Catholic Church is also SQUARELY and SOLIDLY against capital punishment and the war in Iraq, both of which are HUGE in the R platform :shrug:

As for the media reporting that W made his GF have an abortion, when the chief witness says it did not happen, you cannot report in the story that it did :shrug:

ooh how i love those threads, i live in such a crazy place, but that reminds me that everything is relative.

Sorry, I meant television news. I somehow managed to miss this story myself. :shrug:

Agreed. It would be like a drive through at McDonald's, quick and easy, and no one would question it.

-Lis

Yep!!! I mean Viagra is covered by ins. :shrug:

Here are some interesting article on or related to this:

http://writ.news.findlaw.com/colb/20010103.html

http://www.goaskalice.columbia.edu/0144.html

http://www.brown.edu/Student_Service...h/ssc/bcps.htm

http://www.ivillagehealth.com/featur...440084,00.html

BTW - If schools taught a class in "How not to get Pregnant" and birth control was readily available, the need for abortion seemingly would significantly wane - but the far religious right will NEVER allow that :rolleyes:

They had both. She ended up backing out as Flynt was getting ready to go to press with the story because in short, she was paid a visit by James R. Bath.

And they would use anesthesia, which many OB/GYN's do not.

Interestingly, one would think Flynt would have gotten some sort of recording, signed statement, etc. That he did not makes me suspicious. But, Flynt, though a cad, is a straight shooter IMO.

We got sex ed in health class. There was even a condom demo with a banana.:shocked: I'm sure that helped prevent some pregnancies. Also, some girls do not get that motherhood will be very difficult, they romanticize it. That type of education is important too IMO. Having a young mother talk about her experience and saying she would NOT do it all over if she had the chance would have some impact.

I've been in several arguments with "pro-life" people. Not because I believe in abortion per se, but because I believe it's none of their freakin' business.

My favorite was the time I got into a shouting match with this really obnoxious woman whose main argument against abortion was that the babies could be adopted instead of aborted.

I said, "Oh yeah? That's a good argument, I agree. So, how many babies have YOU adopted to save them?" She started stammering, "Well, I... Ummm... I can't really afford that..." And I had finally reached my tipping point and screamed, "Then you have no argument, so until you and your holier-than-thou friends adopt a few unwanted babies, SHUT UP already!!!" :laugh: And she did!

He's more than a straight shooter. Just look at his track record when it comes to exposing bastard politicians, he's fantastic.

As are size enhancement drugs. :rolleyes:

Nixxxed, I'll keep your tactic in mind if I need to argue with a pro-lifer. I am not really "for" abortion either but I want it to remain legal and believe women should have the right to choose. I think it should be done as little as possible though. I'm grateful I've never been in a position to have to choose that. Also, I am the product of a teen pregnancy so if my mom had done it I wouldn't be here. :wavey: I think everything she struggled with for me and our family made me allergic to even the idea of getting pregnant young. I'm really sensitive too so I don't think I could ever have one. I would never get over it. I feel for women who have had to make that choice or felt they had to.

NOW YOU TELL ME :eek:

:laugh: :p :laugh: :p :laugh: :p :laugh:

She went from working as a waitress and living in a studio apartment when she first contacted Flynt to disappearing right before he was ready to go public. When he finally tracked her down, she had just purchased a $500,000 home in Corpus Christi.

So, let's see what we know about Bush:

-He was a drunk for 20 years
-He paid for an illegal abortion
-He weasled his way out of Vietnam
-During his campaign in the late 70s, he lied and said he had served in the Air Force
-He more than likely snorted cocaine at Camp David
-He was involved in insider trading and was subsequently investigated for it
-His oil companies all went belly-up
-He was arrested and taken to jail for drunk driving and later lied about it
-His license was suspended for drunk driving
-He had his cronies change his drivers license number while he was governor in order to hide his arrest from the press
-When called for jury duty in 1994, he committed a felony by lying on his jury form
-He mocked a woman publicly and in front of the press just after she had been executed (Karla Faye Tucker)

And they question Clinton's morality? :lol:

This might be true of healthy lily-white babies; they'd be snapped right up. Sadly, minority children and those born w/ drug-abuse related affects/fetal alcohol syndrome etc are not quite as desired by the general population. So now that the abortion was prevented, what happens to this little human being who has been born into horrible circumstances and now has an entire life to live and a million odds stacked against them? Where are the pro-lifers then?


--Lis

His first breakthrough in investigative journalism was the DeLorean tapes. :nod:
He had all the dirt on Newtie and is largely credited with the demise of Gingrich's career in politics. :nod:

Have you read the transcript? I especially found funny the part where Novak says "We DON'T censor our guests on Crossfire." :laugh: :wavey:

Not to mention babies with terminal illnesses like AIDS. Did you see that sepcial awhile back about those gay couples who adopted something like four or more children living with AIDS and are providing them with healthy and happy (according to all sources including the state ones) homes. I mean that must just he a HUGE burden to carry. Yet and sadly, the state says not both parents (I defy anyone with a heart to say that label does not fit) cannot be on the adoption papers and that gay people should not be allowed to adopt. JERKS!!!! :mad:

Ms. [Donna Rice] Hughes : ... But the commission did hear testimony from schools and libraries who had effectively used technologies with their acceptable use policies, and that it did work well, Bill, so you'll have different viewpoints on that.



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The following has been removed from the CNN transcript
Mr. Novak : Mr. Flynt, NEVER let it be said that we CENSOR any of our guests here on CROSSFIRE -- and you said you wanted to talk about the election. Tell me what you wanted to say.

Mr. Flynt : Well, during the impeachment debacle, we did an investigation which resulted in the resignation of Bob Livingston and others, and we have continued this investigation -- and for eight months we've been looking into George W. Bush's background.

And we've found out in the early 1970s, he was involved in an abortion in Texas -- and I just think that it's sad that the mainstream media, who's [sic] aware of this story, won't ask him that question, when they were able to ask him the drug question without any proof at all -- and we've got all kinds of proof on this issue.

Mr. Novak : Well, you're ...

Mr. Flynt : You know, the guy ADMITTED he was a drunk for twenty years, and if the abortion issue is true, then that puts him lower on the morality scale than Bill Clinton!

Mr. Novak : Mr. Flynt, you said IF it's true and you have no proof of that. I gather you are a very strong ...

Mr. Flynt [ smiling, mind you] : THE HELL WE DON'T HAVE PROOF!



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CNN TRANSCRIPT RESUMES HERE
Mr. Novak : Sir, I gather you're a very strong Gore supporter. Is that correct?

Mr. Flynt : I'll vote for the lesser of the two evils -- I don't like either one of them!

Mr. Press : All right! Larry Flynt -- a man who speaks his word. But we remind you, they are Larry Flynt's words and not ours. Larry Flynt, thank you very, very much for joining us ...



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Gosh -- we really, really hate to break the news to Mr. Novak, but a comparison of CNN's "official" circumcised transcript to the labors of our own Ms. Callahan are at somewhat strong odds with his assertion that "NEVER let it be said that we CENSOR any of our guests here on CROSSFIRE."

Because CNN did.

But we're more than glad to make sure that the full record of Flynt's hard-hitting allegation remains available to the public despite CNN's attempt to muzzle Mr. Flynt.

'Nuff said.



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Novak : Mr. Flynt, never let it be said that we censor any of our guests here on CROSSFIRE, and you said you wanted to talk about the election. Tell me what you wanted to say.

Flynt : Well, during the impeachment debacle, we did an investigation which resulted in the resignation of Bob Livingston and others and we have continued this investigation and for eight months we've been looking into George W. Bush's background. And we've found out in the early 1970s he was involved in an abortion in Texas, and I just think that it's sad that the mainstream media, who's aware of this story, won't ask him that question when they were able to ask him the drug question without any proof at all, and we've got all kinds of proof on this issue.

Novak : Well, you're ...

Flynt : You know, the guy admitted he was a drunk for 20 years, and if the abortion issue is true then that puts him lower on the morality scale than Bill Clinton.

Novak : Mr. Flynt, you said if it's true and you have no proof of that. I gather you are a very strong ...

Flynt : The hell we don't have proof.

Novak : Sir, I gather you're a very strong Gore supporter. Is that correct?

Flynt : I'll vote for the lesser of the two evils. I don't like either one of them.

Press : All Right, Larry Flynt, a man who speaks his word, but we remind you they are Larry Flynt's words and not ours. Larry Flynt, thank you very, very much for joining us.

This was followed by an online chat, in which Flynt went into greater detail :

CNN : Mr. Flynt, I would like to know how you plan to protect yourself from a law suit by claiming to have the goods on GWBush.

Flynt : Because we have them and the truth is an absolute defense.

CNN : When and where are you going to publish information about George W. Bush?

Flynt : When I said that we had the proof, I am referring to knowing who the girl was, knowing who the doctor was that pereformed the abortion, evidence from girlfriends of hers at the time, who knew about the romance and the subsequent abortion. The young lady does not want to go public, and without her willingness, we don't feel that we're on solid enough legal ground to go with the story, because should she say it never happened, then we've got a potential libel suit. But we know we have enough evidence that we believe completely. One of the things that interested us was that this abortion took place before Roe Vs. Wade in 1970, which made it a crime at the time. I'd just like the national media to ask him if abortion is okay for him and his family, but not for the rest of America. We're not looking at it as a big issue, we're looking at it as a situation of people not being told the truth. I think the American people have a right to know everything there is to know about someone running for President.

http://pearly-abraham.tripod.com/htm...-abortion.html and MANY more sites like http://bushwatch.net/flyntabortion.htm

AND - of all things, LF was "saved" - so the Christian far right cannot really bitch too much about him :laugh: , especially when he exposes The TRUTH :shrug:

My personal fav. is when LF called for a National Prayer day for the following prayer:

"Dear (God/Allah/Buddha/other entity of your choice), we ask you to afflict Bill O'Reilly with a brain aneurysm that will lead to his slow and painful death"

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.as...20030805c.html

:laugh:

I got a kick out of when he found out that Barbara Bush (Shrub's kid) had stripped at a frat party at Yale and tried to find the photos.

"The good news is that we have a naked Bush, the bad news is that it's the ugly one."

:eek: :laugh:

Yes I remember that. These poor guys are good enough to take in four kids that no one else wants and give them loving homes, but not good enough to be given the legal title of parents. truly sickening. Wasn't that in Florida?

-Lis

Novak was probably drunk. :laugh: I'd like to see his bank accounts after the last four years.

Larry's a little off on his dates there a Roe was passed in '73.

ON EDIT: Oops, nevermind. On rereading that, he's saying the abortion took place in '70, right?

I believe it was. When I saw that and the truly INSPIRATIONAL effort and kindness of those two guys I started crying. Then, when I found out how maliciously the State of Florida treated them, allegedly in the name of God, I threw up. Here is a synopsis of what happened:

Florida's puzzling case against gay adoptions
The choice for many adoptable children in Florida is between being adopted by homosexuals or not being adopted at all

Published January 16, 2005


The state of Florida is not ridiculously selective when it comes to letting people adopt children--and with some 4,200 kids in need of adoption, it can't afford to be.

It allows single adults to adopt. It accepts people with serious illnesses and disabilities. It leaves the door open to drug addicts. It is even willing to consider people who are known to have neglected, abandoned or abused children.

It doesn't accept homosexuals.

That's the law in Florida, the only state that singles out gays and lesbians in this way. And apparently it's going to remain the law. Last week, the U.S. Supreme Court refused to hear a constitutional challenge to the ban on gay adoptions, which has the effect of upholding the policy. This decision also prevents a 13-year-old boy from securing a permanent home with the two men who have been his foster parents since he was an infant.

At birth, the boy had cocaine and marijuana in his system and tested positive for HIV (though he no longer does). He was taken in by Steven Lofton, a registered pediatric nurse whose two other foster children have AIDS, and his partner, Roger Croteau. Lofton has taken care of the kids full-time for the past decade, efforts that earned him an Outstanding Foster Parenting award from the Children's Home Society. He also has been a foster parent to five other kids with HIV or AIDS.

But his exceptional devotion doesn't impress the state of Florida. When Lofton applied to adopt the boy 10 years ago, the Department of Children and Families, which had previously said he was perfectly suitable to serve as a foster parent, was not allowed to consider him as an adoptive parent.

Normally, the state assesses applicants individually, on the crazy assumption that it should focus on what's best for the child. But when the prospective parent is gay, the interests of the child go out the window. Despite everything Lofton has done for the boy, the state is trying to place him in another home.

This approach is not the preference of the people charged with looking after the needs of kids. When the state's chief adoption official was asked under oath if there is any "child-welfare reason at all for excluding gay people from adopting children," she answered: "No."

The original impulse, it turns out, was not to protect children but to penalize gays. The measure, passed in 1977, was an offshoot of singer Anita Bryant's successful campaign to repeal a Dade County ordinance banning discrimination against homosexuals. The bill's chief sponsor explained it as a valiant effort to open lines of communication with gays: "We're trying to send them a message, telling them: `We're really tired of you. We wish you'd go back into the closet.' "

The state now insists it has perfectly pure motives for the ban. It claims that a child is best served in a stable home that includes a married mother and father. This kind of family, it argues, gives a child good gender role models and spares her from "social stigmatization" about her parents.

If the state really wanted to avoid such stigmatization, it might stop treating such parents as if they are a menace and a disgrace. Expressing moral disapproval of homosexuality, after all, is one of the reasons Florida gives for the ban.

As for gender role models, it's not clear how important they are in a child's development. Almost all gays grow up with heterosexual parents and nonetheless adopt a different "gender role." Sexual orientation aside, Steven Lofton looks like a pretty decent role model. If Florida thinks gender role modeling is so critical, why does it let children spend years living with gay foster parents like him?

The state's supposed preference for married couples is not exactly fanatical. The law specifically allows unmarried adults to adopt, and some 25 percent of state-approved adoptions are by singles.

At any rate, the choice for many adoptable children in Florida is not between a homosexual couple and the ideal heterosexual household, but between being adopted by homosexuals and not being adopted at all. This policy is one reason so many Florida youngsters are growing up without a permanent home.

The policy handed down by policymakers in Florida has two components, which can be summarized as follows: Kids are better off with no parents than with gay parents, and if there is evidence to suggest otherwise, we don't want to hear it.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...4222939.column

here are some other sites:

http://www.theweekmagazine.com/briefing.asp?a_id=461
http://www.adoptionflorida.org/

AND here are Christ's words:

"Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?" He will reply, "I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me." Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life. Matthew 25:44,45; see also http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_savj1.htm

These religious fanatics are just sick :mad:

AND - mind you, these guys are taking care of these kids knowing full well that the state wants to take them away from them as soon as possible solely because they are gay. How heart wrenching is that. I honestly know of very very few who would so selflessly give of themselves and put the interest of children not legally their own in the face of such clear discrimmination. Yet, these guys do. It just makes me concerrently angry and want to cry at this expression of faith.

I really don't understand how Bush has the colossal f***wad nerve to talk about the "culture of life" considering the war he is waging. I really can't. And the frickin democrats better not allow a religious right wing fu**tard on the Supreme Court when that comes up.

Republicans? Democrats? I didn't know there was a difference. :shrug: :laugh:

You know, I was gonna say that, but...
I read an interesting article in our paper today about the different styles of Feinstein v. Boxer. Basically, as if i didn't already, it made me really hate Feinstein... she worked with Bush for his "safe logging" bill or whatever, that allowes massive logging under the guise of "fire control". She helped get it passed. :mad:

:nod:

The Sierra Club sent me a huge book about it. It makes me ill. People like Feinstein are the reason I not only don't support the Democrats anymore, but I'm not a registered Democrat anymore. When the whole party gets some balls like the pair Barbara Boxer has, I'll consider supporting them at some point.

And I still find it rather shocking that Feinstein can be such a Republican in Democrat clothing, especially after the Milk/Moscone tragedy.

:laugh: Diane F. a Republican :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I would LOVE to hear your tell Fox News that one :eek: