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Brwn_eyes0511 01-18-2005 01:30 PM

Liar, Liar, Now You're Fired
 
Liar, Liar, Now You're Fired
by Ann Coulter
January 12, 2005

If CNN doesn't hire them, Dan Rather and his producers can always get a job teaching at the Columbia School of Journalism. The Columbia Journalism Review recently defended the CBS report on George Bush using forged National Guard documents with the Tawana Brawley excuse: The documents might be "fake but accurate."

Dan Rather and his crack investigative producer Mary Mapes are still not admitting the documents were fakes. Of course, Dan Rather is still not admitting Kerry lost the election or that a woman named Juanita Broaddrick credibly accused Bill Clinton of rape.

Responding to Bill O'Reilly's question in a May 15, 2001, interview on "The O'Reilly Factor" about why CBS News had mentioned crack-pot rumors of George Bush's drug use on air seven times, but the name "Juanita Broaddrick" had never crossed Dan Rather's lips (and was only mentioned twice on all of CBS News), Rather replied: "Juanita Broaddrick, to be perfectly honest, I don't remember all the details of Juanita Broaddrick. But I will say that — and you can castigate me if you like. When the charge has something to do with somebody's private sex life, I would prefer not to run any of it."

If only the press had extended that same courtesy to Mike Tyson! Rape has as much to do with "somebody's private sex life" as Bush's National Guard service does.

Admittedly, Juanita Broaddrick's charge against Clinton — that Bill Clinton raped her so brutally that her clothing was torn and her lip was swollen and bleeding, hence his parting words of "you'd better put some ice on that" — was not a story on the order of Augusta National Golf Course's exclusion of women members. But, unlike the Bush drug-use charge, which remains unsupported to this day, Broaddrick's allegations had been fully corroborated by NBC News — which then refused to air Lisa Myers' report until after Clinton's acquittal in the Senate.

Fortunately for Ms. Mapes, Rather also described Bill Clinton as "honest," explaining to O'Reilly, "I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things." This must have come as great comfort to Mapes, as she based an entire story about Bush's outrageous behavior in the National Guard on one Lt. Col. Bill Burkett.

Among the issues that might have raised questions about relying on Burkett as your source before accusing a sitting president of having disobeyed direct military orders are:

— Burkett had a long-standing grudge against the National Guard for failing to pay for his medical treatment for a rare tropical disease he claims he contracted during Guard service in Panama.

— He blamed Bush, who was governor at the time, for the Guard's denial of medical benefits because, as everyone knows, the Texas governor's main job is processing medical claims from former National Guard members.

— After leaving the Guard, Burkett suffered a nervous breakdown and was hospitalized for depression.

— At the meeting where he was supposed to give Mapes the National Guard documents, Burkett brought "two binders full of depositions and other documents that were apparently from his litigation with the National Guard over health benefits" — apparently he forgot the two shoeboxes full of UFO photos he'd collected over the years.

— He had compared Bush to Hitler — which admittedly could have been just his way of establishing his bona fides to Democrats.

— He had told a number of stories over the years about Bush's National Guard service, all of which had collapsed under conflicting evidence and even his own contradictory accounts — which is to say the stories were both made up and inaccurate.

— In exchange for the National Guard documents, Burkett demanded money, "relocation assistance" if the story put him or his family in danger (perhaps ocean-front property for a quick getaway) and direct contact with the Kerry campaign.

Even before the story aired, Burkett's description of his own source for the documents kept changing. He said he received the documents anonymously in the mail. He said he was given the documents by someone who would "know what to do with (the documents) better than" he would. He said his source was Chief Warrant Officer George Conn — amid copious warnings that CBS "should not call Chief Warrant Officer Conn because he would deny it" and further that "Conn was on active duty and could not be reached at his Dallas home."

Burkett needn't have worried about crack investigator Mary Mapes getting in touch with his alleged source. Even though a three-second search on Google would have revealed that (1) Burkett was crazy, and (2) he had tried to use Conn as a source before and Conn had vehemently denied Burkett's claims, Mapes told the investigating committee "she did not consider Chief Warrant Officer Conn's denial to be reliable."

It seems Burkett had told Mapes that "Conn was still in the military and that his wife threatened to leave him if he spoke out against President Bush." That was good enough for Mapes. She concluded that Conn — the only person who could have corroborated Burkett's story — was not to be trusted. Instead, Mapes placed all her faith in the disgruntled, paranoid nut with a vendetta against Bush, an extensive psychiatric history and an ever-growing enemies list. I'm referring to Bill Burkett here, not Dan Rather.

Finally, Burkett claimed a woman named Lucy Ramirez had passed the documents to him at a livestock show in Houston. It is believed that this account marks the exact day that Burkett's lithium prescription ran out. Despite the fact that no one at CBS was able to locate Ramirez, CBS stuck to the story.

This isn't a lack of "rigor" in fact-checking, as the CBS report suggests. It's a total absence of fact-checking. CBS found somebody who told the story they wanted told — and they ran with it, wholly disregarding the facts.

Curiously, though Mapes trusted Burkett implicitly, she was very careful not to reveal his name to anyone at CBS, probably because she would have been laughed out of the room.

Instead, Mapes described Burkett in the abstract as: "solid," "without bias," "credible," "a Texas Republican of a different chromosome," a "John McCain supporter," "reliable" and "a maverick" — leaving out only "Burkett is convinced he can communicate with caterpillars" and "his best friend is a coffee table." His name was not important. It's not as if he was the sole source for a highly damaging story about the president eight weeks before the election or anything. Oh wait ...

At a meeting with CBS lawyers the day the story would air, Mapes "did not reveal the source's name or anything negative about the source," but "expressed 'enormous confidence' in her source's reliability and said that he was solid with no bias or credibility issues." She described Burkett as a "moralistic stickler." The subject of UFOs simply never came up.

Mapes trusted Burkett on the basis of the following:

— "Mapes told the panel that she spoke to a mainstream media reporter, who had known Lt. Col. Burkett since 2001, and she stated that he viewed Lt. Col. Burkett as reliable." At least it wasn't one of those unreliable bloggers throwing anything up on the Net and ruining reputations!

— "Mapes told the panel that she informed the Burketts that she was worried the documents might be a 'political dirty trick.' Mapes said that the Burketts appeared 'genuinely shocked' at the suggestion and this reaction gave her comfort." (You could tell they were really shocked because they had the same look on their faces that Condi Rice had when Richard Clarke first told her about al-Qaida.)

— Mapes really hated George Bush and would do anything to make him lose the election.

Actually, Mapes did not put her last reason in writing, which created a real mystery for the CBS investigating committee. Proving once again how useless "moderate Republicans" are, The CBS Report — co-authored by moderate Republican Dick Thornburgh — found no evidence of political bias at CBS.

If Fox News had come out with a defamatory story about Kerry based on forged documents, liberals would be demanding we cut power to the place. (Fortunately, the real documents on Kerry were enough to do the trick). But the outside investigators hired by CBS could find no political agenda at CBS.

By contrast, the report did not hesitate to accuse the bloggers who exposed the truth about the documents of having "a conservative agenda." As with liberal attacks on Fox's "fair and balanced" motto, it is now simply taken for granted that "conservative bias" means "the truth."

thanks to anncoulter.org

dissention 01-18-2005 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
The Columbia Journalism Review recently defended the CBS report on George Bush using forged National Guard documents with the Tawana Brawley excuse: The documents might be "fake but accurate."

I doubt that you could even explain who Tawana Brawley is, dear. Even if your life depended on it.

ryan8472 01-18-2005 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
I doubt that you could even explain who Tawana Brawley is, dear. Even if your life depended on it.

Just for haha's, I visited the AnnCoulter.org message board. What a horrible place! Is that where you were banned from, Diss? :laugh:

dissention 01-18-2005 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan8472
Just for haha's, I visited the AnnCoulter.org message board. What a horrible place! Is that where you were banned from, Diss? :laugh:

Ah, you mean back in the day when my username was AnnTheManStuffsHerBra? :laugh:

No, if I remember correctly, it was a fan message baord. Scary, eh? The fact that that wench has fans? :shocked:

DrummerDeanna 01-18-2005 01:39 PM

I'm wondering if the new Ledgie Troll has somehow wandered over here from one of those boards....:shrug:

ryan8472 01-18-2005 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Ah, you mean back in the day when my username was AnnTheManStuffsHerBra? :laugh:

No, if I remember correctly, it was a fan message baord. Scary, eh? The fact that that wench has fans? :shocked:

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

omg, I just literally laughed out loud for a minute straight.

+100000 for that one Dissy. :thumbsup: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

OMFG...AnnTheManStuffsHerBra! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Brwn_eyes0511 01-18-2005 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
I doubt that you could even explain who Tawana Brawley is, dear. Even if your life depended on it.

to whom are you referring...me or AC?

I believe that she was the African American teenager in the 80's who accused white police officers of rape and racial abuse.

This is Ann's article not mine. I never have claimed to be THE smartest political person in the world!

Like you, you are a very informed person...and you have proved that. It dosen't make you RIGHT on your views...but not the less you do know somewhat what you are talking about.

Im just an amateur who has an opinion that I ususally share with Ms. Coulter.

Brwn_eyes0511 01-18-2005 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna
I'm wondering if the new Ledgie Troll has somehow wandered over here from one of those boards....:shrug:

No...I am an honest Fleetwood Mac fan! lol

I just got started when reading some very liberal post here...so I felt the need to say something...why keep my mouth shut.

ontheEdgeof17 01-18-2005 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511

Im just an amateur who has an opinion that I ususally share with Ms. Coulter.


Amateur and Coulter in the same sentence? That fits.

Brwn_eyes0511 01-18-2005 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan8472
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

omg, I just literally laughed out loud for a minute straight.

+100000 for that one Dissy. :thumbsup: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

OMFG...AnnTheManStuffsHerBra! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

it was amusing but not THAT funny! :shrug: :)

dissention 01-18-2005 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
Im just an amateur who has an opinion that I ususally share with Ms. Coulter.

Therein lies the problem. Do your own research and find your own facts, then form your opinions. You cannot have opinions on things you know next to nothing about. Then read op-ed **** like Coultergeist and you'll see what a liar she is.

ryan8472 01-18-2005 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
it was amusing but not THAT funny! :shrug: :)

I really did laugh out loud for that long though. That was good.

Brwn_eyes0511 01-18-2005 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
Amateur and Coulter in the same sentence? That fits.

She isn't an amateur...a college graduate with years of experience in the writing/politcal field...

Now college drop-out Michael Moore...thats an amateur.

dissention 01-18-2005 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan8472
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

omg, I just literally laughed out loud for a minute straight.

+100000 for that one Dissy. :thumbsup: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

OMFG...AnnTheManStuffsHerBra! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

:laugh:

They were very shocked that I would even dare to bring up Ann's sex change operation.

Brwn_eyes0511 01-18-2005 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Therein lies the problem. Do your own research and find your own facts, then form your opinions. You cannot have opinions on things you know next to nothing about. Then read op-ed **** like Coultergeist and you'll see what a liar she is.

I am an amateur...but that dosent mean one who checks footnotes (endnotes whatever you want to call them). Im not an idiot...I do do MY own research as well. It has been my experience that Liberals are liars and whiners. I honestly try to stay informed on things political. I read some liberal columns and other conservative columns...I know what I believe...I just haven't mastered discussing politics yet :cool:

dissention 01-18-2005 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
She isn't an amateur...a college graduate with years of experience in the writing/politcal field...

Now college drop-out Michael Moore...thats an amateur.

:lol:

Yeah, and which one is more successful? Michael Moore. ;)

And she is an amateur. She got fired from MSNBC because of it. Only an amateur tells a Vietnam veteran with one arm and one leg that it's because of people like them that we lost the Vietnam war. If you like sick pigs, "she's" your gal.

Brwn_eyes0511 01-18-2005 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
:laugh:

They were very shocked that I would even dare to bring up Ann's sex change operation.

would that be like your sex change operation?

do tell...all the details.

DrummerDeanna 01-18-2005 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
She isn't an amateur...a college graduate with years of experience in the writing/politcal field...

Now college drop-out Michael Moore...thats an amateur.

From experience - a college degree means nothing - it's a piece of paper....she's just a big an idiot for having one as she would be without one...

SuzeQuze 01-18-2005 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna
From experience - a college degree means nothing - it's a piece of paper....she's just a big an idiot for having one as she would be without one...

I agree. Bill Gates dropped out of college. :shrug: He's some things, dumb isn't one of them.

DrummerDeanna 01-18-2005 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
would that be like your sex change operation?

do tell...all the details.

:rolleyes: Looks like your buttons are being pushed now eh? What a grade school comeback that was....

Brwn_eyes0511 01-18-2005 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
:lol:

Yeah, and which one is more successful? Michael Moore. ;)

And she is an amateur. She got fired from MSNBC because of it. Only an amateur tells a Vietnam veteran with one arm and one leg that it's because of people like them that we lost the Vietnam war. If you like sick pigs, "she's" your gal.

Well, even though she frequently still appears on MSNBC...was on their last night to be quite honest. People afraid of THE TRUTH tend to fire the ones who dare speek the truth. What happened to a free country where we are allowed to express our opinions...You know the 1st ammendemnt that liberals fight so vigerously for...or does it only work when you get to express YOUR thoughts.

Brwn_eyes0511 01-18-2005 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna
:rolleyes: Looks like your buttons are being pushed now eh? What a grade school comeback that was....

yea, it was pretty bad wasn't it. lol

dissention 01-18-2005 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna
From experience - a college degree means nothing - it's a piece of paper....she's just a big an idiot for having one as she would be without one...

Ann the Man agrees with you, Deanna. She trashes Jim Jeffords' degree from Yale in her book Treason. But then she goes on to praise Bush for "graduating from Yale and Harvard Business School" in the next chapter. :laugh:

dissention 01-18-2005 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
would that be like your sex change operation?

do tell...all the details.

Ah, yes. Had the boys snipped off last week, but I still have yet to deal with my Adam's Apple and lack of breasts. Sort of like Miss Coulter. :cool:

Brwn_eyes0511 01-18-2005 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SuzeQuze
I agree. Bill Gates dropped out of college. :shrug: He's some things, dumb isn't one of them.

Yes, but look at what Bill has done...actually accomplished great things. I happen to be using something that came from his brilliant mind...right now!

Michael Moore would still be a no-name if it weren't for his oscar speech which was deemed idiotic by even Ms. Barbra Streisand.

Now he suckers Americans into watching fictitious (one of his favorite words) films such as F9-11. Well I have to had it to him, he should at least get an oscar nomm. for best editing...considering he did a lot of that. ;)

dissention 01-18-2005 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
Well, even though she frequently still appears on MSNBC...was on their last night to be quite honest. People afraid of THE TRUTH tend to fire the ones who dare speek the truth. What happened to a free country where we are allowed to express our opinions...You know the 1st ammendemnt that liberals fight so vigerously for...or does it only work when you get to express YOUR thoughts.

Yet again, you know nothing about even your hero. She was fired from MSNBC in the late nineties for her mouth and her presentation of lies as facts. It makes no difference whether she's a commentator on Scarborough Country or not. ;)

Brwn_eyes0511 01-18-2005 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Ah, yes. Had the boys snipped off last week, but I still have yet to deal with my Adam's Apple and lack of breasts. Sort of like Miss Coulter. :cool:

Come on now...she's a man because she does not have large boobs like...Micahel Moore...he has to be at least a D cup.

ontheEdgeof17 01-18-2005 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Ah, yes. Had the boys snipped off last week, but I still have yet to deal with my Adam's Apple and lack of breasts. Sort of like Miss Coulter. :cool:


You'd be a great Coulter for Halloween....with pie in the face and all.

dissention 01-18-2005 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
Yes, but look at what Bill has done...actually accomplished great things. I happen to be using something that came from his brilliant mind...right now!

Michael Moore would still be a no-name if it weren't for his oscar speech which was deemed idiotic by even Ms. Barbra Streisand.

Now he suckers Americans into watching fictitious (one of his favorite words) films such as F9-11. Well I have to had it to him, he should at least get an oscar nomm. for best editing...considering he did a lot of that. ;)

Care to point out any lies or discrepancies in Fahrenheit 9/11? I bet you can't. ;)

Brwn_eyes0511 01-18-2005 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Yet again, you know nothing about even your hero. She was fired from MSNBC in the late nineties for her mouth and her presentation of lies as facts. It makes no difference whether she's a commentator on Scarborough Country or not. ;)

I know exactly their pathetic reasoning for fireing her. But my point was, if she had been a liberal attaking anyone with her "mouth" and still fired after that...liberals across the US would be in an uproar because of the violation of her freedom of speech.

dissention 01-18-2005 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
Come on now...she's a man because she does not have large boobs like...Micahel Moore...he has to be at least a D cup.

No, she's a man because she has an Adam's Apple, pebbles for breasts, and a pair of low-hangers.

dissention 01-18-2005 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
I know exactly their pathetic reasoning for fireing her. But my point was, if she had been a liberal attaking anyone with her "mouth" and still fired after that...liberals across the US would be in an uproar because of the violation of her freedom of speech.

Good, post their reasoning then. ;) I bet you can't. Actually, I bet you didn't even know she had a show on MSNBC years ago until I told you.

Brwn_eyes0511 01-18-2005 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Care to point out any lies or discrepancies in Fahrenheit 9/11? I bet you can't. ;)

Well to be honest I haven't watch F9-11. But I have read "Fifty-nine Deceits in Fahrenheit 9-11" by Dave Kopel and found it quite interesting.

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fift...enheit-911.htm

Brwn_eyes0511 01-18-2005 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Good, post their reasoning then. ;) I bet you can't. Actually, I bet you didn't even know she had a show on MSNBC years ago until I told you.

always trying to undermind.

dissention 01-18-2005 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
Well to be honest I haven't watch F9-11.

Then you're not qualified to discuss it.

Brwn_eyes0511 01-18-2005 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
No, she's a man because she has an Adam's Apple, pebbles for breasts, and a pair of low-hangers.

note...Women have adam's apples to...they are just not USUALLY visable...but hers is. To think, God makes us all different...strange huh?

Brwn_eyes0511 01-18-2005 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Then you're not qualified to discuss it.

I don't really want to discuss it...but I just have read the article and from what I have read if all of those deciets were really in the movie...then I don't want to see it...it would probably give me a good laugh though!

ryan8472 01-18-2005 02:06 PM

I just had to post the title of a book I found linked to on Coultergeist's website: Michael Moore Is a Big Fat Stupid White Man. How charming, and original :rolleyes:

Ok, continue with the "debate" (which seems to be a lot ofquestioning, and even more dancing around the subject.....)

dissention 01-18-2005 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Brwn_eyes0511
I don't really want to discuss it...but I just have read the article and from what I have read if all of those deciets were really in the movie...then I don't want to see it...it would probably give me a good laugh though!

Thanks, you proved my point even further. You form opinions without doing the necessary work needed to form them.

dissention 01-18-2005 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan8472
I just had to post the title of a book I found linked to on Coultergeist's website: Michael Moore Is a Big Fat Stupid White Man. How charming, and original :rolleyes:

Ok, continue with the "debate" (which seems to be a lot ofquestioning, and even more dancing around the subject.....)

But but but but but, Ryan! I thought only liberals called people names! Harumph! :eek: :mad:


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