An "outsider's" viewpoint-SS from the Dance
 

It is great that someone that isn't as big of a fan as we all are can see how magical "Silver Springs" is, especially during that first performance of it on The Dance tour. It is a WOW! to everyone I know who has ever seen it, fan or not. It turned one of my friends into a Mac fan after watching The Dance video with me, and of course, she especially liked the "Silver Springs" part. It is just too wonderful!!!! :D

That was a great article!!! Thanks for posting..it made me wanna pop the dance in again :nod: :D

I'm sooooo throwing The Dance in my DVD player when I get home!

I'm with her
 

Lux, you're always very acute, but what about a little Resnais? ? A lot of people singing French songs and talking about love. ;)

Romy

Oh, but a lot of people really enjoyed the Timespace tour!

I love SS from The Dance, but I also love SS from Boston, I can't decide which one I love more. I guess I love them for different reasons.

SS from the Dance is what sucked me into total FM mania, even though I had been aware of the Mac since I was a teenager. I remember pausing for a moment before passing it by while channel surfing and saying, "who is that poor guy Stevie Nicks is going after?"

When I saw the reference to anger, I remembered two quotes I read from the Stevie Nicks: In her own words website (and, through the magic of the net and the cut and paste option--voila!):

In six weeks of rehearsal, it [performing Silver Springs for the MTV special] was never like that...Only on Friday night did we let it go into something deeper. When we went on Friday, I knew we'd bring it out in case it was the last thing we'd ever do. The other shows were really, really good, but they weren't the show I wanted to leave behind. This show was...I wanted people to stand back and really watch and understand what [the relationship with Lindsey] was." ~Stevie Nicks, Arizona Republic, August 12, 1997

Well, since that performance I have to sing Silver Springs to him almost every day, so Lindsey and I get to do and say things that we wouldn't get to say to each other in real life. It's like a release. Even now, we don't talk much, so when those songs come around and are directly involved with our relationship it's very therapeutic to work that stuff out. This way we get to have closure.
~Stevie Nicks, Miami Herald Nov 6, 1997


I've never thought their breakup was as simple as girl dumps boy. Boy is brokenhearted. It's more than suggested by the lyrics of SS that Lindsey was involved with another woman and I've always thought that contributed to things. On the other hand, according to Lindsey, Stevie wanted to "pack up and shack up" as well. Ah, the 70s. All that free love was not so free after all.

There was a whole mess of anger around on both sides but I know when I saw Lindsey on some of those behind the scenes tour video boots we have (from Tusk, in particular), he seemed to border on being obnoxious at times (and I'm a big fan and love the man now so don't throw any eggs at me, please;-) They both just grew up but old feelings are old feelings and they don't necessarily ever die.

You know that quote we all discussed last week about how they relive their love affair in a concert? Well, SS (from the Dance, especially) could be where they relive the breakup.

But, to this day, I think it's the most dramatically awesome performance of a song I've ever heard.

I know Stevie's phoned in her share of performances before, and even "acted" passionate when she might not be feeling that way. But the "Dance" version of SS is clearly real. And why wouldn't it be? It was the first time she was performing live alongside Lindsey since 1982 (not counting the Clinton inauguration, when we have to assume she was seriously valiumed out, and a one-off performance of "Landslide" during the Mask tour).

Lindsey, obnoxious??......nooooooo :laugh:

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+100!

Preach it.

I can take singers expressing emotion and the like, that's part of their job in order to make the song appealing, in order to sell it. But don't fake it. Fleetwood Mac pretty much fakes everything, from the canned speeches that may have had meaning in the beginning but have now become cliched jokes, all the way down to the ridiculous Landslide bull****. Play the music and emote honestly, don't bull**** us.

I guess the crowd going nuts after every performance means nothing :shrug:

Not to me. I'd like for the crowd to go nuts over the music, not the bull**** interplay between Stevie and Lindsey or his pawing at his guitar or her doing a slow twirl.

Preach it!
 

And don't you just love how they cry out for her during Red Rover, I'm So Afraid, and Say Goodbye? Makes me want to vomit. :cool:

You guys need to go see Lindsey on a solo tour.....oh, wait a minute, Lindsey doesn't have a solo tour, sorry :shrug: :laugh:

I do think it sucks that Lindsey delibers possibly the best performance of the night with Come, and Stevie gets monsterous applause for coming on Stage for wearing Red Boots during Gypsy. And I agree with Lux about the way everyone goes on and on about Stevie's shawl at the end of GDW, although I would say GDW ROCKED this tour, because of the way Stevie performed it and the band not the shawl.

Yep...
 

Stevie sang during GDW? :laugh:

Love it!
 

Does anyone else interpret the lyrics to Silver Springs as meaning Lindsey cheated on Stevie? I do not think that is what they mean at all..I always thought she was saying, "now that we have broken up and there are other women in your life, I do not want to know about it. I do not want to hear that she loves you or that you think she is pretty and remember you will never get away from me, the woman who really loved you. Maybe I am way off but I do not hear "he cheated on me" in her lyrics. She wrote the song after they had drifted apart and began seeing other people and it hurt..she just did not want to know what he felt for the new women..she wanted to remember what she wanted him to feel for HER. (shining autumn, ocean crashing, only dream, yadda yadda...)

Not a fan of the canned stuff either but alot of the stuff some people see as "canned", I see differently. I hate when people yelled out Stevie's name during the quiet parts of Say Goodbye. SO RUDE! Shut up and listen!

Slightly off topic but along the lines of "being rude"....as much as I enjoyed LB's guitar masturbation during the SB intro..I sort of felt it took the attention away from Taku's fantastic percussion. He even edited LIB to include the ladies screaming "go Lindsey...go Lindsey~"
If Stevie would have twirled for two or three minutes straight during one of LB's guitar solos or something..Sheebus........
*note ..I thought his moves with the guitar were swoonworthy, he is hot and was really working it but still..kind of rude with his choice of timing and all.

Interesting isn't it, how some people love this part..I really felt embarressed by it to be honest and wishing he'd hurry up and get it finished with.

I can totally understand that. It was very over the top. I felt it went on way too long but still, the man is hot.
Yea it did border on pornographic some nights with the slow rubbing of the guitar in circles ...wow.

I love LB's SB dance. I think it is so cool how much he gets into "Stevie's" song! I don't think it takes away from anybody else, only adds to it.

After they broke up, I always figured Stevie kind of went her own way (all puns intented!), happy to be out of a stifling relationship, but not ready to get into another one. Heartbroken Lindsey (I figure) started consoling himself with, perhaps a string of other women, or perhaps just one... :shrug:

Whatever...my point is that I don't think that SS refers to Lindsey cheating on her...just the different ways they reacted to the break up.

And I realize that this breakup was messy and complicated, but I always hate it when people see this performance (which is awesome!) and say, "Oh poor Stevie!" She broke it off with him!!! But anyway... :laugh:

And Lindsey's OOTC show was the best concert experience of my life (yes, over all the FM and Stevie solo tours I've seen), so I certainly need another solo tour. In fact I can't even imagine going to see Stevie solo again unless I can get in the front row, and even that's a maybe. Been there done that... :laugh:

In the additional footage from the Tusk doc that is floating around out there, he is most definitely obnoxious to her. The part where they are tying to work on Angel and she is trying to explain about the "low Mills Brothers harmonies" and you can see it in him, there is just a lot of anger bubbling right beneath the surface. Not to mention he's holding a bottle of cognac. :eek: He's thin as a rail in that video and looks almost like Perry Farrell when they show him doing his vocals. But I digress. It seems that of the two of them, the break up and subsequent success was hardest on him, if that makes sense.
I don't think he knew what was coming that night in 1997 when she suddenly turned into the Stevie of old right before his and everyone else's eyes. It was something to behold for sure.

True. But he is backed by a fabulously lit set and Egyptian orchestra. :laugh: His high range is gone. :o The last time I saw him, he was playing smaller venues, so...

No. I thought they referred to Carol Ann Harris. :shrug:

I don't think people appreciate more the manner Stevie drapes her shawl, but it's an act that gives people the moment to express their appreciation for all of them. Usually people don't go around cheering at someone for draping shawls (even if it would be cute), they do it watching her, because the intensity of the song creates the right climax. And it's the same for Silver Springs, people is eager to see them interacting because the song and the way is performed are emotionally involving. Something like some scenes in Taylor/Burton's Who's Afraid Of Virginia Woolf: you can love or hate the film, but doesn't leave you indifferent.

Purely talking of Stevie and Lindsey as performers, they're both incredible, and they are equally important on stage, IMO. Personally, I'm more drawn by the way she feels the audience and responds to its vibes, the way she sings and communicate. He's a master as guitarist, and his energy is amazing during songs like Come, Big Love, Go Your Own Way, etc, but I tend to prefer the quiet ones, so I look to John. :D ;)


Romy

Stevie's been doing the boot, shawl, drama thing since the beginning of time, that's her image, she's not going to change it now, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. After all, this last tour was basically the "Buckingham Nicks" tour, IMO, which means it was split right down the middle as far as stage time is concerned. If Stevie didn't put her shawl on after 30 years of doing that, we'd all think WTF?? :eek: :shrug: :laugh:

Eh. I'm an original then;-)
I see your point about the women who came after the breakup, but still think it would be natural for a guy (and even the girls of that time) to be like kids in a candy store with all that attention.
And she does reference women who will come and go and all that jazz...so, maybe it's my own pet theory that he wasn't entirely immune to other women throwing themselves at him (or her falling for smooth talking musicians from other bands, either).
Whatever inspired the song and the anger--it's a great performance of a fabulous song. And, even if one wants to criticize later performances for some canned emotion, the night they taped the Dance was something very, very special and we're lucky to have it captured for all time.

The romance card makes me want to vomit. Tacky, imo...
As for the shawls, etc, I guess I don't mind, but, if Stevie's too old (hip) to pull off the twirling, boots, etc, she should give up that whole schtick.
I guess it's hard to be a sex symbol post-menopause. :eek:
Lasso dance, anyone? :laugh:

I agree with Kelly, When i saw them, Although i enjoyed his Stand Back antics immensely, I thought it was a bit scene stealish.

Well, Stevie wasn't on the stage at that time. It would be a bit boring just to sit and listen to the drum intro. He was fun to watch. I think once she twirled into the scene, he backed off and let her do her thing.

Oh, he was still dancing his a** off when she came out, at my show. I noticed because i thought - "hey, stevie's out, she's started dancing, and there's LB still doing his thing!"

When Stevie is singing, I don't pay attention to him. I can admit that. :nod: He could be naked, dancing with a tomato and I wouldn't know.

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that's actually what he was doing!
no, he was doing quite a spirited and distracting dance throughout. :D

I'm so with ya on that one. When she opens her mouth, it's like nothing or no one else is in the room.