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Janet 01-13-2005 10:12 PM

Do you think Lindsey...
 
Do you think Lindsey ever bought like Behind the Mask or a Stevie solo album?

I was listening to Behind the Mask and I wondered what LINDSEY thought of it, if he went out and bought it and listened to it??

ontheEdgeof17 01-13-2005 10:22 PM

The band/Stevie prolly gave Lindsey their work for free....an advanced copy or something as a gift.


Maybe? :shrug:

GateandGarden 01-13-2005 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
The band/Stevie prolly gave Lindsey their work for free....an advanced copy or something as a gift.


Maybe? :shrug:

That's what I figured. He may have gotten copies before everyone else did.

BTFLCHLD 01-13-2005 10:57 PM

KNOWING LINDS, HE PROLLY LAYED TRACKS AND REMIXED :shrug:

Merf 01-13-2005 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BTFLCHLD
KNOWING LINDS, HE PROLLY LAYED TRACKS AND REMIXED :shrug:

Not on any of Stevie's solo stuff. He didn't participate in any of her solo work until TISL, correct?

ontheEdgeof17 01-13-2005 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Merf
Not on any of Stevie's solo stuff. He didn't participate in any of her solo work until TISL, correct?


That's right. :wavey:

dissention 01-13-2005 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Merf
Not on any of Stevie's solo stuff. He didn't participate in any of her solo work until TISL, correct?

I think she meant that he went out, bought the albums, and then fixed the crappy mixes at home in his studio. :laugh:

We all know Lindsey is anal enough to do that...

BTFLCHLD 01-13-2005 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
I think she meant that he went out, bought the albums, and then fixed the crappy mixes at home in his studio. :laugh:

We all know Lindsey is anal enough to do that...

wow..you get me :D :xoxo:

dissention 01-13-2005 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BTFLCHLD
wow..you get me :D :xoxo:

Of course, I'm very smart and very astute. :laugh: :xoxo:

ontheEdgeof17 01-13-2005 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BTFLCHLD
wow..you get me :D :xoxo:


If it had 're' in it, I would have gotten it............maybe :rolleyes: :lol:

dissention 01-13-2005 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by amber
And by the way, I knew what she meant too... :) :laugh:

:thumbsup:

Check the mail tomorrow for that MENSA application! :woohoo: We'll take them by storm...

dissention 01-13-2005 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
If it had 're' in it, I would have gotten it............maybe :rolleyes: :lol:

It did, Curtis. ;) :laugh:

GateandGarden 01-14-2005 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by amber
And by the way, I knew what she meant too... :) :laugh:

Same here.

And...just think what he could've done for Street Angel! He could've worked wonders for that album.

BTFLCHLD 01-14-2005 12:12 AM

btw, cute sig amber :cool:

ontheEdgeof17 01-14-2005 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dissention
It did, Curtis. ;) :laugh:


:rolleyes: :lol:

Damn you.


ok....add "when he got home" at the end, then. hrump.


:)

BTFLCHLD 01-14-2005 12:17 AM

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Thanks! I actually have to go to the grocery store right now, they close at 10. Then, when i get back, i was gonna go to the other grocery store that stays open all night. I'm walking, if you're wondering why i don't go to both at once...
:xoxo: :wavey:

k..be careful! :cool:



and sorry for off-top on the thread...

ontheEdgeof17 01-14-2005 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
Same here.

And...just think what he could've done for Street Angel! He could've worked wonders for that album.


Leave the masterpiece that is Street Angel outta this.

GateandGarden 01-14-2005 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
Leave the masterpiece that is Street Angel outta this.

Aw, come on. You know Lindsey could've produced it better! I was just listening to "Maybe Love Will Change Your Mind" today and thinking of how Lindsey could have made that one even better. :nod:

ontheEdgeof17 01-14-2005 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
Aw, come on. You know Lindsey could've produced it better! I was just listening to "Maybe Love Will Change Your Mind" today and thinking of how Lindsey could have made that one even better. :nod:


......but his magic couldn't have saved Desert Angel.

Kelly 01-14-2005 01:24 AM

interesting topic...
 
I am sure he listened to BTM before it was even released to the public...and analyzed and picked it apart!!

Here is something I have always wondered...did Lindsey EVER take that BellaDonna album home that Stevie signed for him and left in the studio? I hope he eventually took it home but somehow I think he probably did not, wanting to win that battle of wills and all. (especially once he realized how much it bothered her that he left it there!) It is sort of interesting how certain little stuff like that still seems to bother..or maybe it's hurt...Stevie today.

GateandGarden 01-14-2005 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
......but his magic couldn't have saved Desert Angel.

Agreed. :nod:

GateandGarden 01-14-2005 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by amber
Hey, I didn't even know about that! Did you learn that from an interview or something?
Thanks! :wavey:

Yeah, that is an interesting piece of information. And if Stevie's anything like me, she gets all mad and frustrated about that whenever she has free time to think about it and it's like the day it happened all over again. And, if Stevie's like me in that way, we both need to find different ways of dealing with things! :laugh:

GateandGarden 01-14-2005 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by amber
:laugh:
aww...well, that is quite a petty slap in the face, though, I think. You'd think they would have talked about it by now, though, right? :laugh:
I hope it doesn't get you all crunched up! I think some things like that you shouldn't forget, but you should try to learn to distance your emotions from them.
duh, right? :laugh: easier said than done!
:xoxo:

Sorry, uh, I was gonna respond to what you said and agree and all that, but then I noticed your sig pics again and I was like, Awwwwww! So cute! And I forgot whatever else I was going to say.

Kelly 01-14-2005 07:34 AM

Yup
 
Stevie tells that story on one of the Behind the Musics, I think. I believe it is Lindsey's.....and boy she looks pissed. She describes getting her copy of BellaDonna before it was released and getting a copy for LB. She autographs it and takes it into their studio. I guess she doesn't have enough guts to give it to him so she leaves it in the studio and then watches it for the rest of the day and LB just ignores it. She says he "never took it home". Now, I figure he listened to it of course but would not give her the satisfaction of taking that particular copy home with him. She seemed genuinely hurt when she was talking about it, what 20 years later? They did have and still do have an interesting relationship.

GypsySorcerer 01-14-2005 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
Same here.

And...just think what he could've done for Street Angel! He could've worked wonders for that album.

Possibly. But I don't think he could have fixed "Rock a Little." What a train wreck. :eek: :lol:

skcin 01-14-2005 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelly
Stevie tells that story on one of the Behind the Musics, I think. I believe it is Lindsey's.....and boy she looks pissed. She describes getting her copy of BellaDonna before it was released and getting a copy for LB. She autographs it and takes it into their studio. I guess she doesn't have enough guts to give it to him so she leaves it in the studio and then watches it for the rest of the day and LB just ignores it. She says he "never took it home". Now, I figure he listened to it of course but would not give her the satisfaction of taking that particular copy home with him. She seemed genuinely hurt when she was talking about it, what 20 years later? They did have and still do have an interesting relationship.

I'm sure he's listened to it since, but I'm also pretty sure he never took that original autographed album she gave him. ;)

stefan 01-14-2005 10:18 AM

Didn't even John claim not to have heard any of LB's solo albums?
I mean really- who should believe that? Seems everyone claims to be uninterested by these things. It's an ego thing. That can't really be true. First I suppose you have to have professional interest in what your bandmate is doing and in which way he or she is developing. You have to consider these things once you work together again. Analyzing positive and negative aspects is a professional must imo for improvement in the future. Secondly there are some examples of songs played on FM live shows that came from the solo albums, so you better know these before... And the third thing is, you are simply curious about what the others have been doing. No way LB didn't know the songs from Bella donna and vice versa. I am sure every bandmember knows even the Mick solo albums. Btw you could suppose that some copies from every album anyone made got sent to family members, friends and the band.

GateandGarden 01-14-2005 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by amber
:lol: :laugh: :lol:
it's okay. They've been up all day, you just saw them? :)

Yeah, but every time I see them it's like the first time. :lol:

GateandGarden 01-14-2005 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelly
Stevie tells that story on one of the Behind the Musics, I think. I believe it is Lindsey's.....and boy she looks pissed. She describes getting her copy of BellaDonna before it was released and getting a copy for LB. She autographs it and takes it into their studio. I guess she doesn't have enough guts to give it to him so she leaves it in the studio and then watches it for the rest of the day and LB just ignores it. She says he "never took it home". Now, I figure he listened to it of course but would not give her the satisfaction of taking that particular copy home with him. She seemed genuinely hurt when she was talking about it, what 20 years later? They did have and still do have an interesting relationship.

That's such a shame! I would've been so hurt! I actually thought they were getting along a little better than that around that time. I suppose it was an off and on kind of thing. When Rolling Stone recently did that issue that reprinted all those older pics of rock stars and the photo in which they're all sprawled out on the bed was included, there was a little story with it that said that Stevie and Lindsey didn't want to be anywhere near each other during the photo shoot and (as y'all know) purposefully cuddled with other people for pictures. But, according to the mag, by the time the shoot was over and everyone was ready to leave, the two of them were making out on the bed. And this was after they'd broken-up, so I thought Wow, they made up quickly. But I suppose they made-up and got pissed at each other again and made-up about eight hundred times. :laugh:

dissention 01-14-2005 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
......but his magic couldn't have saved Desert Angel.

And not all the prayers in the world...could save that. :woohoo:

GardenStateGirlie 01-14-2005 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by GateandGarden
That's such a shame! I would've been so hurt! I actually thought they were getting along a little better than that around that time. I suppose it was an off and on kind of thing. When Rolling Stone recently did that issue that reprinted all those older pics of rock stars and the photo in which they're all sprawled out on the bed was included, there was a little story with it that said that Stevie and Lindsey didn't want to be anywhere near each other during the photo shoot and (as y'all know) purposefully cuddled with other people for pictures. But, according to the mag, by the time the shoot was over and everyone was ready to leave, the two of them were making out on the bed. And this was after they'd broken-up, so I thought Wow, they made up quickly. But I suppose they made-up and got pissed at each other again and made-up about eight hundred times. :laugh:

Which is why their relationship was incredibly unstable back in those days. The whole "I love you...I hate you" vibe all at the same time. I think with being around each other 24/7, it was probably difficult for them to not fall into the same old patterns of needing and wanting one another.

Lindsey did appear at one of the BTM shows, no? I think he came out and played Landslide (a while back I think Neil or someone else may have had that up for download). I'm sure after he left the band, there was some curiosity as to what was still going on and he probably did listen to the album--laughed at the fact that it took two guitarists to replace him (hell, that still makes me laugh)--maybe even a little hurt that the band still went on without him.

I do believe he listened to Stevie's albums. However, I don't think he ever discussed them with her nor did he say anything about them. I believe in a TISL interview, Stevie mentions how excited she was to hear Lindsey say how much he loved the album because he'd never really complimented her before (probably because perfectionist Lindsey was too busy criticizing).

ontheEdgeof17 01-14-2005 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer
Possibly. But I don't think he could have fixed "Rock a Little." What a train wreck. :eek: :lol:


If RAL is a train wreck, then Go Insane was aboard. They are two peas in a pod.

dissention 01-14-2005 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelly
Stevie tells that story on one of the Behind the Musics, I think. I believe it is Lindsey's.....and boy she looks pissed. She describes getting her copy of BellaDonna before it was released and getting a copy for LB. She autographs it and takes it into their studio. I guess she doesn't have enough guts to give it to him so she leaves it in the studio and then watches it for the rest of the day and LB just ignores it. She says he "never took it home". Now, I figure he listened to it of course but would not give her the satisfaction of taking that particular copy home with him. She seemed genuinely hurt when she was talking about it, what 20 years later? They did have and still do have an interesting relationship.

Sorry, but am I the only one (next to Lindsey) who would feel incredibly insulted? It would be like me becoming a big movie star and giving my friend an autographed publicity shot as a gift. Wouldn't go down too well. :shrug: It just seems so...impersonal.

David 01-14-2005 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GardenStateGirlie
I do believe he listened to Stevie's albums. However, I don't think he ever discussed them with her nor did he say anything about them. I believe in a TISL interview, Stevie mentions how excited she was to hear Lindsey say how much he loved the album because he'd never really complimented her before (probably because perfectionist Lindsey was too busy criticizing).

Around the time of the 1997 reunion, the press asked Lindsey what he thought of the Vito-Burnette incarnation, & he said the music was "generic" but still decent. By the time Dave Mason had joined, Lindsey thought the band had really turned into a novelty act.

If you think about it, there isn't much on "Behind the Mask" that would really have interested Lindsey from the standpoint of production or arrangement or instrumentation -- & those are so important to him, as we all know. There isn't anything on "Mask" that pushes any envelopes, as far as Lindsey was concerned. I bet he saw that album the way many of us do: just a rather bland collection of reactionary trackmaking.

I think Lindsey sees most of Stevie's solo work in the same way. If you're not interested in a particular musical style, you're not interested. Friends hand me CDs all the time that I'm supposed to take home & listen to, & I just don't want to. I might take the CDs & put them in my car for a few days -- sort of pretend to listen to them -- or I might just let them sit on my desk, or give them back almost immediately to the person with a lame excuse. Lindsey was probably curious about "Bella Donna," & he probably listened to it -- or some of it. After a couple of tracks of "Bella Donna," it would have been apparent to him just what was going on musically, & I can't imagine it would have been such a big thrill for him. So as other Stevie solo albums were released over the years, he probably ignored them. As his tastes have deteriorated, maybe he's been listening to more of her work. I mean, "Running Through the Garden" is not all that different in instrumental approach from "No Spoken Word." I like to think that he was more recently familiar with some aspect of "Rock a Little" as an overall groove & perhaps tried to apply that.

GardenStateGirlie 01-14-2005 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Sorry, but am I the only one (next to Lindsey) who would feel incredibly insulted? It would be like me becoming a big movie star and giving my friend an autographed publicity shot as a gift. Wouldn't go down too well. :shrug: It just seems so...impersonal.

I think she was of the (deluded) mind that he would be proud of her and would celebrate her success. Their relationship had always been froth with competition and when she had a hit solo record and he didn't and you give him an autographed copy? yes, it was more than likely a slap in the face and not the gesture she had wanted it to be.

David 01-14-2005 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Sorry, but am I the only one (next to Lindsey) who would feel incredibly insulted? It would be like me becoming a big movie star and giving my friend an autographed publicity shot as a gift. Wouldn't go down too well. :shrug: It just seems so...impersonal.

Stevie's story about giving Lindsey a copy contradicts other things she used to say. During that time, interviewers asked her a bunch of times how her bandmates felt about her solo album, & she always said she didn't mention it at all to them & didn't "bring" it into Fleetwood Mac meetings or activities.

On the other hand, don't we have a little part of a 1982 FM rehearsal where they play a little bit of "Edge of Seventeen" -- just screwing around? Of course, that doesn't mean much. It was all over the radio back then.

ontheEdgeof17 01-14-2005 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by David

On the other hand, don't we have a little part of a 1982 FM rehearsal where they play a little bit of "Edge of Seventeen" -- just screwing around? Of course, that doesn't mean much. It was all over the radio back then.


True. Fleetwood Mac also played around with her songs that eventually made it to Bella Donna (Think About It, for one).....and eventually released some of the tunes that didn't make it (Gypsy). I think Lindsey would have been curious to see how the songs that didn't make Rumours or Tusk sounded on Bella Donna. Also, he had to have had listened to BD demos in order to see how Stevie wanted the songs to be like on down the line during recordings. So, of course Stevie's solo career was talked about in the band...IMO.

dissention 01-14-2005 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by David
Stevie's story about giving Lindsey a copy contradicts other things she used to say. During that time, interviewers asked her a bunch of times how her bandmates felt about her solo album, & she always said she didn't mention it at all to them & didn't "bring" it into Fleetwood Mac meetings or activities.

On the other hand, don't we have a little part of a 1982 FM rehearsal where they play a little bit of "Edge of Seventeen" -- just screwing around? Of course, that doesn't mean much. It was all over the radio back then.

Stevie rarely tells a story that gells with anything else she's said in the past, so who knows. She still can't get her story straight on exactly when she stopped doing cocaine.

BTFLCHLD 01-14-2005 01:23 PM

Here's a thought...maybe he never saw it? :o

If Stevie signed with the intention to gift Lindsey, she should have.

IMO If someone entered a room, and layed something around, but never said "here ya go!" I'd leave said object where it lay too.

GypsySorcerer 01-14-2005 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
If RAL is a train wreck, then Go Insane was aboard. They are two peas in a pod.


RAL sounds dated and IMO most of the lyrics on that album were not her best. But what I don't like about it is the vocals. If Stevie is off vocally, it's much, much, harder for me to get into her stuff....because I don't enjoy actually listening to it.

But here we are discussing Stevie in a Lindsey thread...so back to LB. :lol:


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