Sanctuary masters
 

OK, this is kind of a long, involved question.

About two years ago, there was a great Stevie download site called moniquerenee.com. The site is now defunct. But while it was up, I downloaded a series of "Sanctuary" takes from the master reels. The takes were numbered up as far as 12 or 14, as I recall.

There was one take in particular that I loved. I think it was #10, or maybe #6.

Anyway, the laptop computer that they were on was stolen shortly after I downloaded the songs, and I've never been able to find the version I like so much since. I've reviewed everything that's reposted on ThrownDown.net, and it's not there. :shrug:

Can anyone help me track down these takes? If it helps, they came from a series that also included conversations between Stevie and Tom Petty about the writing of the song, including one part where Tom says the chorus shouldn't start on the same chord as the verse.

I have them but I only have them listed as 1 thru 8. It's a riot listening to Stevie and Tom go back and forth about her only playing in the keys of F and G. He also goes on about how it needs a bridge and she tells him to biuld a bridge. At the end of nunber 8 she ask for a glass of champagne. Great stuff.

Darlene

F is a very cool key to sing in - it is commonly referred to as the "show tune key"

G, on the other hand and IMO - is MUCH harder.

La Nicks though - has a strange voice that really could never sing in an easier key like C.

:cool:

Here is some info on musical keys:

http://www.happychild.org.uk/acc/tpr/mne/1299musi.htm

http://www.library.yale.edu/~mkoth/keychar.htm

Thanks for the fasinating information. I played in the band in high school so I knew all that stuff at one time long long ago :nod:

Darlene

Can Homegirl even try to sing in more than 2 keys anymore ? I mean, we are talking about about an octave and a half range on a good day.

You just couldn't help yourself. :angel:

Well, what's your issue ? Like you weren't gonna go there ?

If I recall correctly, I think Sable On Blonde is in some strange key like E flat or something. But other than that, I mean for crying out loud, it is all Am, F, G, repeat. Most things anyway. You get lucky to get a suspended second or a 7th in a bridge. If there IS a bridge, that is.
Thinking.....Bella Donna might be B flat, Leather and Lace too....

Of course I was. My issue is with the fact that I couldn't have been the first one to bring it up, wise ass. :xoxo:

You have beaten me to many other punches, pal.
:wavey:

Well, I think she cam, but does not. I mean she was in close to three on the last tour. Say You Will was prob. the lowest and SG harmony was prob. the highest.

She was also WAY up there in the Chris Issak thingee.

But, I agree that she should stay as high as she can because, for me, the lower voice is not that great when compared to the high one.

I didn't hear THAT. She sure doesn't single an octave below middle C - and I don't know that those harmonies in SG are an octave above it.
:shrug:
And that's only a full two.

It sounds to me like when she sings "a little world in a world" in LIB - she is above middle C :shrug: She was also above it on the Chris Issak special.

I also thought that "Somethin in you brought out somethin in me" was below middle C - then in the chorus her voice seemingly is at middle C - her harmony above it.

But, in the end, I still think she can hit two and possibly three, which is not really that many IMO.

I'm tellin' ya, I'm so sick of her 2-note range, I'm never listenin' to the hag again!!!

I would think you could trade for them. I don't know if we could post this on easytree? :shrug:

THAT WAS EXACTLY THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE.

:thumbsup:


Stevie does not have a two octave full voice range. She never really did. If you count falsetto as a voice, then everyone has a two or three octave range.

The highest note she has ever recorded was an E below high C from "Sisters of the Moon". The highest note she has ever recorded that's not falsetto was an E flat below high C from "Wild Heart". The lowest note she has ever recorded is a B flat below middle C from "Everyday".

These days she very rarely ever goes higher than G above middle C. I was pleasantly surprised to see the she kicked it with a B flat above middle C on "Everybody Finds Out" and an A above middle C on "Smile at You" (I thought for sure she was gonna drop the key from the demo- but I'm glad I was wrong. Her singing on "Destiny Rules" was lower than anything on "Say You Will"- and I don't think those lowers notes (D below middle C) sound very good for Stevie.

She does occasionally- "Silver Springs" and "I Sing for the Things", for example.

Not even close. I have the Chris Isaak thing on TiVo and she hits maybe a G or an A above middle C at the highest.

I'm really surprised that you would say that...... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

:p

As diss likes to say... "f*** 'em if they can't take a joke!" :p

I was trying Queeny Sarcasm on for size. :laugh: :D

Should I be alarmed that Queeny Sarcasm works better on me?

... yes ...

Wise ass. :cool:

Well, obviously your queenie sarcasm works better than either mine or Brian's. I tried my hardest to point out that, once again, Brian has flown into the thread as the Super Defender of Stevie Nicks- but it kinda flopped.

Oh, well... I tried. :o

Why try hard to state the obvious, man? :laugh:

Funny thing is, I don't feel I'm defending Stevie, so much as I'm just pointing out what I feel to be the painfully obvious.

She's never had a "perfect" voice, nor an amazing range. And she's certainly lost a lot of whatever range she DID have.

It is what it is, and it isn't gonna change back to what it was in 1979... "so why try to fight it." :shrug:

"Yesterday's gone... yesterday's gone...."

I was counting the falsetto in the octave count. I mean she sings in it and it is a strong voice (just ask Chris Issak he said so a month or so ago) :shrug:

I just remember seeing sheet music once (a long time ago) and it appeared that the songs were written so the vocal would be higher than middle C - and when I play (albeit VERY POORLY :laugh: ) SG on the piano, I have LB at middle C and the harmony one or sometimes, if I am feeling courageous :laugh: , two above that.

In any event, I like it better when she sings higher. The lower voice is that that great sounding to me. But, I love her anyway :cool:

Interestingly, on songs like Dreams, she sings four parts on the harmony (assuming she is in the lead somewhere in there, but it is hard to heare that - and she still laters that way those these days it is usually two rather than three or four voices :cool:

It's all just a joke !!!!!

Oh, that's right...it's all just painfully obvious.
:blob1:

I've never witnessed you flop, Tower.


:woohoo:

Of course it's all just a "joke"... painfully obvious or not.
We're not exactly discussing famine or poverty here! ;)

Stevie's always had a limited range. Pretty much from the word "go."
I know that if it bothered me much, I'd be listening to someone else instead. :)

I hear he's more of a flipper than a flopper! :laugh:

I wasn't aware that mentioning the facts about someone's vocal range was an indication of being "bothered".

Doesn't bother me at all. I love how my discussions bother others though. :lol:

It's kind of like clockwork, really. A remotely, possibly interpreted as negative idea or statement, and BOOM ! The volleys and jokes and defense begins.
It's fun !

Oh, come on now, Sparkelah.
If you can dish it out, at least be willing to take it! :p

You're as quick to point out your disappointment with Stevie's current range, as anyone else is to defend it.
*Looks back through thread*
Yep, you were the first to bring it up.
Again. ;)

I'm just reminding you that she's always had a limited range, and a voice that is not exactly the easiest to love. That much hasn't changed.

I agree with you that I'd like to see her push her vocal boundaries more than she seems willing to do... but I can't hold a gun to her head and make her do it. :)

Anyway... nothin' but love for ya, Sparkelah. Nothin' but love. :xoxo:

However, i'd like to point out, that whatever range she has, she has an incredible facilitywith her range. And an incredible facility with harmonies in her range. Wooot. She's an expert slider/hitter/maker upper. So her range is usually a moot point, with me. :)

Talkin' in circles...........

Talkin' in circles...........


We all know her voice has lowered/changed/etc etc......Now, let's move on. :wavey:

Gosh, really sorry, Mr. "Boss of Me"! *must.do.as.curtie.says.* :laugh:

:lol:

This topic just comes up a lot....the same things are said everytime....nothing gets accomplished.

"They're dancing around in a circle... well, she's got that feeling now!"

I agree that it would be nice to move on from that particular debate. :nod: :)

you're right. Not like all the other times on the board when we accomplish great things. Didn't we end world hunger? And the environment problem, i think we solved that one, too?... :laugh: Just joshin, it is an oft debated never solved thingy...

Well, if someone would've met me under the sweater table at the Gap like he promised, I'd have been too busy to discuss this topic again! :p :xoxo:

Oy vey. :woohoo:

It certainly has. Her old voice is like Cydni Lauper's when stacked up next to what she's working with now.