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diamondsnake 12-01-2004 07:47 PM

"I've come to make you better, I've come to take you away"
 
I just got Touched By an Angel and this song is so haunting and sad. Is it just me or is Stevie not human? I seriously think she has some power over people. That one line "I have come to make you better, I have come to take you away" gives me chills. It is actually a song that makes you feel okay about knowing that you're going to die one day. For me anyways it is like Stevie is an angel that died several years ago and is bringing her lover up to heaven when he dies. I don't know what I am talking about- I just love this song and would love to get everyone's thoughts on it.

Dreammms 12-01-2004 08:13 PM

i really love this song too. i listened to it when my uncle died nonstop and it helped me out a bit.

dissention 12-01-2004 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by diamondsnake
I just got Touched By an Angel and this song is so haunting and sad. Is it just me or is Stevie not human? I seriously think she has some power over people. That one line "I have come to make you better, I have come to take you away" gives me chills. It is actually a song that makes you feel okay about knowing that you're going to die one day. For me anyways it is like Stevie is an angel that died several years ago and is bringing her lover up to heaven when he dies. I don't know what I am talking about- I just love this song and would love to get everyone's thoughts on it.

I think it's safe to say that she's human. Angels wouldn't wear Frankenboks. ;)

To my knowledge, the song is about AIDS.

diamondsnake 12-01-2004 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
I think it's safe to say that she's human. Angels wouldn't wear Frankenboks. ;)

To my knowledge, the song is about AIDS.

Where'd you get that from? Although illness did come to mind when I was listening to the song? Sort of like... don't fear death because you will be healed or something, I don't know. This song has really effected me- I am in love with it.

And she is an angel! The reboks are just there to throw us off.

ontheEdgeof17 12-01-2004 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention

To my knowledge, the song is about AIDS.


Yeah. That came straight from the horse's mouth. It's on the Nicksfix that she said it was about AIDS victims.


Personally, I think most of the song is about the band getting back together for The Dance Reunion, with little bits about AIDS throughout the song, mostly the ending.


BTW....My second favorite soundtrack song after Battle of the Dragon. :nod:

dissention 12-01-2004 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by diamondsnake
Where'd you get that from?

Stevie herself.

dissention 12-01-2004 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
Personally, I think most of the song is about the band getting back together for The Dance Reunion, with little bits about AIDS throughout the song, mostly the ending.

What a combo. :rolleyes: :laugh:

jwd 12-01-2004 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by diamondsnake
I just got Touched By an Angel and this song is so haunting and sad. Is it just me or is Stevie not human? I seriously think she has some power over people. That one line "I have come to make you better, I have come to take you away" gives me chills. It is actually a song that makes you feel okay about knowing that you're going to die one day. For me anyways it is like Stevie is an angel that died several years ago and is bringing her lover up to heaven when he dies. I don't know what I am talking about- I just love this song and would love to get everyone's thoughts on it.

I'm with you. "Touched By An Angel" is a BEAUTIFUL song, and in particular the line you quoted. I'd be perfectly happy to "go", if a figure the likes of Stevie walked into my room uttering those words. :)

Oh and for those of you that may not know, you can find it on the "Sweet November" soundtrack.

diamondsnake 12-01-2004 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jwd
I'd be perfectly happy to "go", if a figure the likes of Stevie walked into my room uttering those words. :)

That is exactly what I was thinking, and I think the warm vocals on this track add to that effect.

skcin 12-01-2004 10:12 PM

I think it's a tiny bit about Robin too -

"...not standing in the shadows, I see her face, glowing in the darkness, in her own angel way..."

Like Robin's always still there with her.

Paula

strandinthewind 12-01-2004 11:24 PM

I think it is all about visiting a friend dying of AIDS in the hospital that she was angry with and when she saw him for the first time in a long time her pain was apparent but everyone was, given the gravity of the situation, friendly for the first time in years.

The person standing at the side of the stage is the Angel that Stevie thinks takes pain away when she sings a la Rhiannon and her birds.

The song is brilliant IMO.

The whole "life will once more be a celebration and that you will find the answers to your questions" reduced me to a ball of tears the first time heard it and still gets me weepy. My cousin and best friend from childhood died of AIDS related causes a year or two before this song came out. Needless to say, it home hard and still does :cool:

ontheEdgeof17 12-01-2004 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
I think it is all about visiting a friend dying of AIDS in the hospital that she was angry with and when she saw him for the first time in a long time her pain was apparent but everyone was, given the gravity of the situation, friendly for the first time in years.


I've never seen it that way before. I can totally view the song in this way now. :thumbsup:

strandinthewind 12-01-2004 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
I've never seen it that way before. I can totally view the song in this way now. :thumbsjob:

It just totally hit me that way - I guess because I had been there - although Kyle and I were not really angry but there was some anger there. I also readily admit it could me about the Mac.

But, the line, "the floor was wet and slippery - with the tracks of their tears" just sounds like the sterile linoleum floor of a hospital to me and they are all there crying for the dying friend :shrug:

I also think that is the great thing about her songs - they can mean diff. things to people :shrug:

Johnny Stew 12-01-2004 11:41 PM

Yes, Stevie has said that it was written for and about those who live with or have died from AIDS.
Stevie said she believes in what she refers to as the "passageway angel," who comes to us at the end of our lives to lead us to the other side, and that this angel is the "she" she's referring to in the song.

I really don't think it's about Fleetwood Mac's 1997 reunion, though I can see why others feel that way. My opinion is that her use of the phrase "standing at the side of the stage" is a metaphor... a rumination of sorts on the old saying that "all of life is a stage."

By the way, Stevie stated she was inspired to write it on the Fourth Annual Day Of Compassion, which was June 21st, 1996, and the U.S. Copyright site reflects this. The entry for the song states that it was created in 1996, and registered for copyright on August 14th, 1997.
The 'Dance' tour didn't start until September of that year, but, of course, the initial reunion was in May, when the 'Dance' concert video was filmed... so who knows.


Touched By An Angel
(written by Stevie Nicks)

And when she walked in the room
After so many years,
He looked up and saw her
He was standing at the crossroads
She was moving in slow motion
Everything was the same,
Except that everything was different

In that very moment, everyone was silent
And everyone was friendly,
For the first time in years,
Everyone was smiling
Though their pain was apparent
and the floor was wet and slippery
With the tracks of their tears

And then I see someone standing
At the side of the stage
Not standing in the shadows
I see her face
Glowing in the darkness
In her own angel way
"I have come to make you better,
I have come to take you away."

No one slipped and fell
This time, everyone was steady
Someone held my arm so that
I would not fall
For the first time, in a long time
Everyone was ready
No one said a word
And that simply said it all

And then I see someone standing
At the side of the stage
Not standing in the shadows
I see her face
Glowing in the darkness
In her own angel way
"I have come to make you better,
I have come...to take you away."
I’ll make you better

Walking through the room together
In suspended animation...
No one saw us go... no one said goodbye
But in my heart, I leave
Great expectations
That you will find the answers
to your questions
And that life will once more...
be a celebration...
and that you will be touched by an Angel
and that you will be touched by an Angel
and that you will be touched by an Angel

Celebration
Someday
Someday, Someday
Celebration

Johnny Stew 12-01-2004 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
I think it is all about visiting a friend dying of AIDS in the hospital that she was angry with and when she saw him for the first time in a long time her pain was apparent but everyone was, given the gravity of the situation, friendly for the first time in years.

That part always makes me think of how many families of AIDS patients I have heard of, who only reconciled with the patient on their death bed.

It's a sad thing that so many people can't get over their own issues until it's too late.


"Someday... someday...."

strandinthewind 12-01-2004 11:49 PM

I love this song so much I will give my interpretation :cool:

Touched By An Angel
(written by Stevie Nicks)

And when she walked in the room
After so many years, (again, time has gone by since they have seen each other )
He looked up and saw her (from the hospital bed in a weakened state)
He was standing at the crossroads (dying)
She was moving in slow motion (like when you see someone dying in the hospital and do not want to believe it )
Everything was the same,
Except that everything was different (like when you see a friend for the first time in years and you pick right up but you are both different, etc. )

In that very moment, everyone was silent
And everyone was friendly,
For the first time in years,
Everyone was smiling
Though their pain was apparent
and the floor was wet and slippery
With the tracks of their tears (again, the uncomfortable moment of realizing what has past has past and is irrelevant because this person is dying and it is a shock to see it - thus come the tears )

And then I see someone standing
At the side of the stage
Not standing in the shadows
I see her face
Glowing in the darkness
In her own angel way
"I have come to make you better,
I have come to take you away." (passageway angel that maybe she sees as taking her audience away when she sings - she wants to take this AIDS patient's pain away and make them better, etc. - she repeatedly says this is what she does or wants to happen when she sings )

No one slipped and fell
This time, everyone was steady
Someone held my arm so that
I would not fall
For the first time, in a long time
Everyone was ready
No one said a word
And that simply said it all ( the person dies and she almost faints or when she leaves the room and they are still alive, she almost faints from the shock of it all )

And then I see someone standing
At the side of the stage
Not standing in the shadows
I see her face
Glowing in the darkness
In her own angel way
"I have come to make you better,
I have come...to take you away."
I’ll make you better

Walking through the room together
In suspended animation...
No one saw us go... no one said goodbye (She is leaving the patient in the room and in disbelief as if in suspended animation )


But in my heart, I leave
Great expectations
That you will find the answers
to your questions
And that life will once more...
be a celebration...
and that you will be touched by an Angel
and that you will be touched by an Angel
and that you will be touched by an Angel (Arguably the most beautiful thing you could wish for a dying person to have in that moment - It makes me cry to think about how beautiful that sentiment and wish is - I am such a softy :laugh: - Also, this is her trying to, as she says, give hope into the darkness of her songs, etc. )

Celebration
Someday
Someday, Someday
Celebration

strandinthewind 12-01-2004 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
That part always makes me think of how many families of AIDS patients I have heard of, who only reconciled with the patient on their death bed.

It's a sad thing that so many people can't get over their own issues until it's too late.


"Someday... someday...."

I agree. But - I think she was not mad about them having AIDS - I tend to think they got into a fight about something else years before and then she heard the person was dying and knew she had to see them one more time. That is what I think anyways :cool:

BTW - thanks for posting the lyrics :)

ontheEdgeof17 12-01-2004 11:53 PM

Good interp. J! I can honestly say, I totally see it.


Could you see the video? GAWD...it would have been gorgeous.

Hawkeye 12-01-2004 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
What a combo. :rolleyes: :laugh:

Only Stevie can write a song about her band getting back together and just sprinkle in some lines about AIDS victums in there just to mix things up.

Johnny Stew 12-02-2004 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
I agree. But - I think she was not mad about them having AIDS - I tend to think they got into a fight about something else years before and then she heard the person was dying and knew she had to see them one more time.

No, no, I don't think Stevie (as one of the figures in the song) is mad at the person for having AIDS, it's just that that part reminds me of all of the families I have heard of who only reconcile once the patient is in their final hours.

strandinthewind 12-02-2004 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
No, no, I don't think Stevie (as one of the figures in the song) is mad at the person for having AIDS, it's just that that part reminds me of all of the families I have heard of who only reconcile once the patient is in their final hours.


Ah Ha - :sorry:

I, too, have seen that and hate that. I mean it is aweful that it takes something like that - and in some cases that horribleness (death bed etc.) cannot even heal some people's prejudices. I mean even Christ forgave the people who killed him - I think it is a little easier for mortals to get over their what I see as pettiness :shrug:

ontheEdgeof17 12-02-2004 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
Ah Ha - :sorry:

I, too, have seen that and hate that. I mean it is aweful that it takes something like that - and in some cases that horribleness (death bed etc.) cannot even heal some people's prejudices. I mean even Christ forgave the people who killed him - I think it is a little easier for mortals to get over their what I see as pettiness :shrug:


That is rather sad. I dream about this topic often.


When I came out to my mom, the first thing she said to me was "You are going to get AIDS." That still haunts me.......It's painful that I am automatically thought of as someone who will carry the disease since I am gay. I wish it wasn't such a taboo disease. Let's get over it. Fight it. Cure it.

Moony 12-02-2004 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
That is rather sad. I dream about this topic often.


When I came out to my mom, the first thing she said to me was "You are going to get AIDS." That still haunts me.......It's painful that I am automatically thought of as someone who will carry the disease since I am gay. I wish it wasn't such a taboo disease. Let's get over it. Fight it. Cure it.

That is very sad, Curtis.. *hugs* Almost makes me want to cry.

Unfortunately, I have never heard this song...would anyone be good enough to send me an mp3? I don't have any money at the moment to go buy the soundtrack...PM me if you can.

strandinthewind 12-02-2004 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
That is rather sad. I dream about this topic often.


When I came out to my mom, the first thing she said to me was "You are going to get AIDS." That still haunts me.......It's painful that I am automatically thought of as someone who will carry the disease since I am gay. I wish it wasn't such a taboo disease. Let's get over it. Fight it. Cure it.


I know you know you are FAR better than any stereotype - but it never hurts to hear it again - so here for all to hear I say - Curtis is an exceptional young man who has devoted his life to help the sick. He is of charming wit and often bawdy, esp. after a LARGE screwdriver - a trait I admire LOL. That he is gay is irrelevant and if relevant FAR eclipsed by the relevance of his good nature and deeds. :cool:

Plus, he and Stew are together - really I swear :laugh:

Johnny Stew 12-02-2004 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
When I came out to my mom, the first thing she said to me was "You are going to get AIDS." That still haunts me.......It's painful that I am automatically thought of as someone who will carry the disease since I am gay. I wish it wasn't such a taboo disease. Let's get over it. Fight it. Cure it.

Ah, yes, I got the "you could get AIDS and die" thing from my mother, too. And when I dated my first boyfriend, she repeatedly told me that I'd "better not be doing anything that could kill (me)." :distress:

I think part of it is being afraid for their child's well-being, and I think part of it is just plain not being informed enough about HIV/AIDS or even homosexuality in general.

Johnny Stew 12-02-2004 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
Plus, he and Stew are together - really I swear :laugh:

To quote Melanie Hutsell as Tammy Wynette on 'Saturday Night Live'... "this is how rumours get started, bitch!" :p :laugh:

ontheEdgeof17 12-02-2004 12:28 AM

Thanks for the kind words. :wavey: It was years ago and my mother is more understanding now and she's a cool cat!



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Originally Posted by strandinthewind

Plus, he and Stew are together - really I swear :laugh:


I just think someone is jealous. :o

strandinthewind 12-02-2004 12:30 AM

Plus, the disease is rising fastest amongst African American women and had been for years. AIDS does not care who it infects, it just does :shrug: Gay people were just the first it hit hard.

ontheEdgeof17 12-02-2004 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
Plus, the disease is rising fastest amongst African American women and had been for years. AIDS does not care who it infects, it just does :shrug: Gay people were just the first it hit hard.


Do you know the REAL story of how it spread?

Well....


They used to have boating games and such off the Boston Harbor/in that area (I dunno if they still do). It used to be a big sport, I guess. Anyway, guys from Europe (I don't remember which country it actually was...I think France) had sex with the boaters from the US. They were carrying the virus. And since it was between man and man in the beginning here in the states, it has become the 'gay disease'. That's how it started here.

Moony 12-02-2004 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
Do you know the REAL story of how it spread?

Well....


They used to have boating games and such off the Boston Harbor/in that area (I dunno if they still do). It used to be a big sport, I guess. Anyway, guys from Europe (I don't remember which country it actually was...I think France) had sex with the boaters from the US. They were carrying the virus. And since it was between man and man in the beginning here in the states, it has become the 'gay disease'. That's how it started here.

I knew it - France is to blame! :]

Sorry :p Had to throw a little humor in there...this kind of stuff always makes me depressed..

strandinthewind 12-02-2004 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
Do you know the REAL story of how it spread?

Well....


They used to have boating games and such off the Boston Harbor/in that area (I dunno if they still do). It used to be a big sport, I guess. Anyway, guys from Europe (I don't remember which country it actually was...I think France) had sex with the boaters from the US. They were carrying the virus. And since it was between man and man in the beginning here in the states, it has become the 'gay disease'. That's how it started here.

Can they actually prove that :shrug: If so, that is weird :eek:

ontheEdgeof17 12-02-2004 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
Can they actually prove that :shrug: If so, that is weird :eek:


That's what they told my nursing class. These guys were the first to show the symptoms. I'm going to do some research on this when I wake to see if it is 100% accurate.

Johnny Stew 12-02-2004 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
I just think someone is jealous. :o

We should consider it a sport to make Jason jealous, and start giving him some good reasons to be green with envy. ;) :laugh:

DrummerDeanna 12-02-2004 10:27 AM

Touched by an Angel is one of my favorite Stevie songs...it's so sad but beautiful - and also a personal situation took place the first time I heard that song (over and over) - and it brings back memories of that...

And as much as I love Stevie - I do believe her to be human...:p

strandinthewind 12-02-2004 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
We should consider it a sport to make Jason jealous, and start giving him some good reasons to be green with envy. ;) :laugh:

See!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next thing ya know - there'll be reports of backstage antics confirming the shipper theory of you two :cool:

glitter_fades 12-02-2004 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye
Only Stevie can write a song about her band getting back together and just sprinkle in some lines about AIDS victums in there just to mix things up.

:nod: My thoughts, exactly!

ontheEdgeof17 12-02-2004 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
See!!!!!!!!!!!!

Next thing ya know - there'll be reports of backstage antics confirming the shipper theory of you two :cool:


:laugh: :lol: :laugh:

And what would that be? Hiding in the shadows, holding each other singing "Country Roads"? :laugh:

glitter_fades 12-02-2004 12:02 PM

I don't see AIDS in the song at all but Stevie always gives a number of different misleading stories about her songs. To me it's about when she first went back onstage with the band for the Dance rehearsals and it was going so well. Then I think it reminded her of how nice it was in the very begining. I'd guess she had a vision of Robin visiting her and making her feel better like she was alive again. Everything was like it used to be before all the bad things in her life happened. The vision of Robin reassured her she could die happy one day now that things have been brought back to a positive place. She could have peace. Everyone can die happy because all the hurtful things of the past were now resolved. No AIDS in sight for me, but that's JMHO.

strandinthewind 12-02-2004 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
:laugh: :lol: :laugh:

And what would that be? Hiding in the shadows, holding each other singing "Country Roads"? :laugh:

sending your blonde other BF who is post partum home and having him show up at a concert holding a baby at the side of the stage while Johnny is singing just to piss him off :eek:

:cool:

(relax people - I am just having fun :laugh: )

strandinthewind 12-02-2004 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by glitter_fades
I don't see AIDS in the song at all but Stevie always gives a number of different misleading stories about her songs. To me it's about when she first went back onstage with the band for the Dance rehearsals and it was going so well. Then I think it reminded her of how nice it was in the very begining. I'd guess she had a vision of Robin visiting her and making her feel better like she was alive again. Everything was like it used to be before all the bad things in her life happened. The vision of Robin reassured her she could die happy one day now that things have been brought back to a positive place. She could have peace. Everyone can die happy because all the hurtful things of the past were now resolved. No AIDS in sight for me, but that's JMHO.

That is the cool thing about her songs. They can mean two totally diff. things to people. AND - I totally get your point of view. We need to sit that chick down one day, put her on a polygraph and/or give her truth serum, and start the rigorous cross examination :laugh: :laugh: You say it is about AIDS - yet you are talking about being onstage - please explain in no less than 500 words :laugh: :rolleyes:


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