Nader Recount On
 

Losing by 335,000 in N.H., Nader Demands a Recount

By Jonathan Finer and Brian Faler
Wednesday, November 10, 2004; Page A07

Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader, who lost by about 335,000 votes in New Hampshire, has asked the state for a recount.

No, the longtime consumer advocate is not hoping to change last week's outcome in the Granite State, where Democrat John F. Kerry was the winner. Rather, he said, he is concerned about the veracity of the results.

"We have received reports of irregularities in the vote reported on the AccuVote Diebold Machines in comparison to exit polls and trends in voting in New Hampshire," Nader wrote Secretary of State William M. Gardner. "These irregularities favor President George W. Bush by 5% to 15% over what was expected."

New Hampshire uses Diebold machines at 132 polling places. Gardner's office received Nader's fax at 4:59 p.m. Friday, one minute before the deadline. Under state law, if a candidate requesting a recount finished more than three percentage points behind, he must pay for the process. Gardner said that if the Nader campaign sends a check for $2,000 and promises to pay any additional charges, he will round up the ballots and initiate a hand count.

Spokesman Kevin Zeese said Nader was planning to send the check yesterday. "Either it will allay people's fears about the results, or it will open the door to looking at other states," Zeese said.

Ralph Nader will hold a press conference today at 1:00 pm to announce his New Hampshire recount.
I am hearing from reliable sources that citizens in Ohio will be requesting recounts there.
I am also hearing that Florida is going to be recounted and that some kind citizen is going to pay for it.
A private citizen has already requested a recount in Nevada.
A 527 has been created to accept donations for recounts in New Hampshire, Ohio and possibly Colorado and New Mexico. Those interested in donating can do so at www.helpamericarecount.org

Has there been any word from Soros? I emailed him but have heard nothing from anyone.

Soros has chosen acceptance, it seems :(. "Post-election comment" from his website:

Obviously, I am distressed at the outcome of the election. I hope, but don't trust, that the second Bush administration will have learned something from the mistakes of the first. What is at stake is our ability to recognize our own fallibility.

I established GeorgeSoros.com in order to engage in a critical discussion with readers about President Bush's policies, particularly in Iraq. To all those who sent in messages, thank you. I found the dialogue to be thought provoking, and I hope visitors to the site did as well. Georgesoros.com proved more popular than I initially imagined. There have been more than a million and a half visitors to the site and more than 30,000 people sent in messages.

Having established the site in the run up to the election, I frankly did not pause to consider what to do with it afterwards. Given the outcome, I now feel strongly that it should continue. Exactly what shape the future content will take, and how actively I will pursue the weblog, will take some time to figure out. In the meantime, I am traveling to Europe to attend to the business of my foundation - but I'll be back.

Please check back in a few weeks for updates. Thank you.

If he's given up, it's not a good sign. And the Kerry assholes are acting quite putrid as of late.

I think they are resigned to there are not enough votes being talked about here to make a difference. I am not saying that is the case though - but Kerry was armed with a flotilla of lawyers and some of the best statisticians and political minds - they all concluded drop it - that must count for something. I also think they may think for some reason it is political suicide to go down this road. AND - who knows the D's may not want to examine it too closely for fear of D culpability on the local level - I mean it probably exists on both sides :shrug:

Finally, maybe Kerry, being the true elder statesman that he is realizes another 2000 Florida would not be good for the nation and instead dropped it and left it to the Congress.

Who knows in the end. But, I do think if they can prove fraud they need to - and that is not matter who committed it. Moreover, if it is not fraud but just a mistake - that needs to be known as well so it does not happen again.

We shall see how this plays out.

[QUOTE=strandinthewind]... But, I do think if they can prove fraud they need to - and that is not matter who committed it. Moreover, if it is not fraud but just a mistake - that needs to be known as well so it does not happen again...QUOTE]

I agree with you here because if people get away with it, next time it will be WORSE. :mad:

I know. I can't believe they are seemingly dismissing all of this. I didn't begrudge him for conceding, one week ago. Now there's enough evidence to, at very least, warrant investigation (if not construct a case). There are Ph.D. statisticians, computer programmers, and political analysts all saying something is very wrong here. It's not just an internet(s) rumor, regardless of what Peter Jennings and the lapdog hacks at CNN would have you believe. I'm giving Kerry & his camp the benefit of the doubt, but only for so long. Where's the GELAC fund? The 17,000 lawyers? The "change strategy as information comes in" approach and the "every vote will count and be counted" attitude? Continue to do nothing, and don't count on my support in 2008.

Not to mention the fact tha the still has $51 million in his campaign funds to pay for recounts, compared to Bush's $14 million.

And Kerry's brother Cameron is saying that Kerry is considering running in '08. :rolleyes:

Ugh! He should throw us a big party! Seriously, there's the money for the recount, WTF?

They concluded to drop it before half the evidence even came in. If you take the composite of ALL the evidence for fraud, errors, glitches, negligence, manipulation... however the hell you want to label it, there's enough to argue that the outcome of the election could very well have been different. 92,000 more votes than registered voters in a single county in OH? 4,000 more votes (for Bush) than registered voters in another county? The 136,000 vote margin by which he lost the state (not including provisionals, which are likely to break for Kerry) suddenly looks a lot smaller.

Besides, this needs to be looked into by someone whether it was enough to flip the election or not. "Sorry, it looks like fraud occured but not enough for us to win, so who cares!" ? Um, no.

I concur, I thought it was ridiculous to drop it. :mad: Like, I wanna see those exact numbers, mkay?

I know, which is exactly why I said I doubt I'll support him again. Which sucks, 'cause I think the guy would have made an excellent President. Unless he does something now, he needn't bother worrying about 2008. A LOT of people will desert him, if they haven't already.

Nader, Bev Harris, Conyers, and millions of angry voters can only do so much. Unless the candidate himself protests, we'll all be swept under the carpet. "Never again can we permit those who have the power to make a difference to walk away from their responsibilities." - John Kerry, 1990. So where are you going, Senator? :distress:

Kerry, grow a pair!

:laugh: borrow Keith Olbermann's! Anything!

You said it. :nod:

You said it, my dear. PERFECTLY, might I add.

I think that his concession was a Skull and Bones thing. Because, you know, once you masturbate in a stone tomb with animal blood all over you, you're brothers for life. :rolleyes: :nod:

Justice Through Music Offering $100,000 reward for evidence of election fraud:

Justice Through Music, www.jtmp.org, has posted a $100,000 reward for evidence proving vote fraud in this election. JTM is looking for inside info, and is well aware of the things on this site. See website for details. JTM wants to increase the reward to provide the highest possible incentive to whistleblow. JTM has put a message on the Diebold company message board. Info goes to [email protected], donations toward the reward can be made on the site. Today JTM was with Bev Harris and Ralph Nader discussing strategy. questions at [email protected] .

Bless Dennis!

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1110-31.htm

"Serious problems surfaced in this election that must be addressed at the state and national level. Some were inefficiencies in handling the massive turn out. No citizen should have to wait for hours to vote, or worry whether their vote was actually counted.

Glitches in electronic voting in the Columbus area should move all legislatures to demand paper receipts for voting machines. Without such a paper trail, no true recount can ever be done."

"I believe we must pursue every lead which raises questions about the integrity of the electoral process. Our work may not change the outcome, but it will demonstrate that beyond our commitment to our candidates, we have a higher commitment to our democracy."

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/200...renvote10.html

FBI denies warning officials of any special threat

LEBANON - Warren County officials, facing scrutiny of their decision to lock down the administration building on election night, say they were responding to a terrorist threat that ranked a "10" on a scale of 1 to 10.

The information, which Commissioner Pat South said was previously deemed confidential, is coming out a week after the public was barred from viewing the Warren County vote count. The Ohio Secretary of State's office doesn't know of any other county in the state to impose such a restriction.

County officials initially said they feared that having reporters and photographers present could interfere with the ballot counting. They subsequently cited homeland security concerns.

Now, they say an FBI agent told them that Warren County ranked a "10" on a terrorism scale. However, state and federal homeland security officials said Tuesday they were unaware of any specific threat against the county.

http://www.projo.com/cgi-bin/include...eek131.htm#nad

Nader has till Friday to pay $2,000 filing fee to launch N.H. recount:

Independent Presidential candidate Ralph Nader has until Friday to pay a $2,000 filing fee to request a recount of New Hampshire votes and to pledge to cover the costs of the count.

Kevin Zeese, a spokesman for Nader's campaign, said that N.H. Secretary of State Phil Gardner, a Democrat, has agreed to the new deadline.

Nader held a press conference in Washington, D.C. this afternoon to confirm his faxed request for a recount, filed one minute before Friday's 5 p.m. deadline.

Zeese said Nader will ask that votes be recounted in particular wards -- urban areas where 78 percent of the votes were cast using the Diebold AccuVote system.

Zeesem reached by telephone this afternoon, said the recount would begin as soon as possible after these conditions were met on Friday.

People can donate at www.helpamericarecount.org .
The Greens will file an official petition to recount in Ohio tomorrow.

I'm half tempted to fax Kerry's office saying I'd like my contribution back so I can send it to these people instead :p.

Why not? You can tell them why you feel that way :shrug:

I sort of did. :laugh:

I faxed a letter saying that if I knew he was going to wimp out on us so quickly without the votes being counted, I wouldn't have campaigned for him or sent him any of my hard earned money. Then I wrote that since he has $51 million left in his campaign funds, he could send me the $250 I had given him back. And I included my addy. ;)

Whoa! excellent! go on, girl! :thumbsup:

If I was a chick, I would. :wavey:

http://kcal9.com/california/CA--Elec...rces_news_html

Calif. settles electronic voting suit against Diebold for $2.6M
Wednesday November 10, 2004
By RACHEL KONRAD
AP Technology Writer
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) California Attorney General Bill Lockyer announced Wednesday a $2.6 million settlement with Diebold Inc., resolving a lawsuit alleging that the company sold the state and several counties shoddy voting equipment.

Although critics characterized the settlement as a slap on the wrist, Diebold also agreed to pay an undisclosed sum to partially reimburse Alameda, San Diego and other counties for the cost of paper backup ballots, ink and other supplies in last week's election. California's secretary of state banned the use of one type of Diebold machine in May, after problems with the machines disenfranchised an unknown number of voters in the March primary.

Faulty equipment forced at least 6,000 of 316,000 voters in Alameda County, just east of San Francisco, to use backup paper ballots instead of the paperless voting terminals. In San Diego County, a power surge resulted in hundreds of touch-screens that wouldn't start when the polls opened, forcing election officials to turn voters away from the polls.

According to the settlement, the North Canton, Ohio-based company must also upgrade ballot tabulation software that Los Angeles County and others used Nov. 2. Diebold must also strengthen the security of its paperless voting machines and computer servers and promise never to connect voting systems to outside networks.

``There is no more fundamental right in our democracy than the right to vote and have your vote counted,'' Lockyer said in a statement. ``In making false claims about its equipment, Diebold treated that right, and the taxpayers who bought its machines, cavalierly. This settlement holds Diebold accountable and helps ensure the future quality and security of its voting systems.''

The tentative settlement could be approved as soon as Dec. 10.

The original lawsuit was filed a year ago by Seattle-based electronic voting critic Bev Harris and Sacramento-based activist Jim March, who characterized the $2.6 million settlement as ``peanuts.''

March, a whistle blower who filed suit on behalf of California taxpayers, could receive as much as $75,000 because of the settlement. But he said the terms don't require Diebold to overhaul its election servers which have had problems in Washington's King County and elsewhere to guard them from hackers, software bugs or other failures.

The former computer system administrator was also upset that the state announced the deal so quickly. Several activist groups, computer scientists and federal researchers are analyzing Nov. 2 election data, looking for evidence of vote rigging or unintentional miscounts in hundreds of counties nationwide that used touch-screen terminals. Results are expected by early December.

``This settlement will shut down a major avenue of investigation before evidence starts trickling in,'' March said. ``It's very premature.''

A Diebold executive said the settlement would allow the company to spend more money on improving software and avoid ``the distraction and cost of prolonged litigation.'' Diebold earnings plunged 5 cents per share in the third quarter because of the California litigation, which could cost an additional 1 cent per share in the current quarter.

Diebold shares closed Wednesday at $53.20, up 1.22 percent from Tuesday in trading on the New York Stock Exchange.

``We've worked closely with California officials to come to an agreement that allows us to continue to move forward,'' Diebold senior vice president Thomas W. Swidarski said in a statement. ``While we believe Diebold has strong responses to the claims raised in the suit, we are primarily interested in building an effective and trusting relationship with California election officials.''

This just in, apparently over night Kerry has grown a pair. Well, it appears he is supporting the recount in Ohio. He qualified it though by saying he doesn't believe that it will change the election results, which most folks seem to agree on. I heard this on Air America this AM although I cannot find the story. But it appears that Rush, ABC, and other outlets have finally started to talk about this story.

That's a good sign. :nod: Also, now it comes out that elections officials in Warren Coutny, Ohio lied. They never spoke face to face with the FBI about a terror threat that supposedly led them to conduct their election night counts in private.

I posted a good article on it above. :)

Thanks! :xoxo:

Diss, where did you post? Brain is a bit foggy today and can't find it.

Post #20. :)

:D Kerry campaign lawyers checking Ohio vote

Also, Blackwell's trying to change the rules for counting provisional ballots. That's illegal!

Ugh, how can you change the rules after the fact? What the hell is wrong with people? Thanks for posting the link to the story, Tiff!

He's saying ballots that don't have the date of birth filled out won't count. This is not included in HAVA. He can enforce stricter regulations above and beyond what HAVA specifies, but they had to have been laid out before Nov. 2nd or it violates the state statute on elections (Article II? I'm looking for it).

Tell him that doesn't fly:

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Done. I'm so tired of this nightmare.

Tell me about it. 600 "insurgents" killed in Fallujah and 90+ wounded Americans, 13 dead. :mad:

Sucks. I was crying this AM cuz of a story of a VT town naming a bridge after a dead soldier. It is so tragic. This kid was 20. Now we will have 13 more devastated families.