Gay Ledgies of the World Unite!
 

Well, I've always been toying with the idea of just making a thread for the GLBT community of The Ledge.

Fleetwood Mac really has a power to affect those of us who never really had the same opportunity to experience life as our straight brothers and sisters. Dating, courting, proms- the day to day life that is Rumours is sadly denied to most of us homosexuals. Yes, this IS changing- thank gawd- however, for those of us old fogies :laugh: Fleetwood Mac / Buckingham Nicks really gave us another world to experience passion, love, lust, dreams, goals, desires, unrequited love, betrayal, anger, retribution, loneliness, discovery, reconciliation, forgiveness, and- ultimately- absolute joy.

Granted, I'm pretty sure that most of our straight friends have experienced some of those emotions through FM as much as us. But, jeez- when one is starving to death, a turkey meal with all the fixin's sure as hell tastes a lot better.

Anyways.... I have always loved the fact that I am gay. I feel almost blessed by it. I hope that other Ledgies out there feel the same way. If any of you out there feel like you are out of place or in a different world, believe me- we are here and there is much solace in comraderie and the understanding that "I have been there before, and believe me, it will only get better".

So, if you're gay come over here to my little niteclub- tell some stories, share a bit of fun. Revel in the fact that you are blessed. Of course, all of our straight siblings are most welcome to hang out and partake of the glory that is Gay (or even offer some challenging remarks regarding the glory that is Heterosexual!! :lol: )

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Isn't today National Coming Out Day? How appropriate. :)

Just how many of us are there here, anyway?

Not to be straight in your gay parade, but I was denied this too :laugh: :lol: :laugh: :lol: :wavey: ok, i'll leave you sissies alone.... :laugh: I have to go to my baton twirling in STTD class.... :laugh: :wavey: oh, and are you gay boys gonna wanna chat with the sapphic sisters???? ;)

I had no idea- "Isn't that WEIRD??"

It seems so antiquated these days that people still have to declare their sexual orientation to others. It's kind of sad. I'm such a naive-optimist-idealist-dreamer that I tend to forget that there is still so much discrimination and bigotry out there. I'm lucky because I live in an idyllic gay ghetto.

I'm really surprised at how lavendar The Ledge is- we are legion.

I'm still trying to get my toaster oven by recruiting Dissention. Although, that wouldn't be THAT much of feat considering the dude has the hots for Doug Wilson..... :laugh: :laugh:

I do it alllllllllllllllll the time!

Notice how I used the acronym "GLBT". I included all of us.

Whenever you're ready to come over to the dark side, Amber, just let us know. :laugh:

((Fleetwood Mac really has a power to affect those of us who never really had the same opportunity to experience life as our straight brothers and sisters. ))

BLAAAAAA, WHO GIVES A SH*T!!! I dont!

Thank God I was born gay, I wouldnt want to be straight if you paid me to be. Im sure you typed this out as a joke, but why care what someone else thinks of you.

:laugh: :laugh: But I already am a gay man, i'm telling you - an athletic, sporty, gay man!!

By the way, quit trying to recruit Diss. Ain't enough straight guys around here already!!! :laugh: :laugh:

Signing in as a homo :wavey:


-Curt

I hate that too.

I don't care what anyone thinks of me- I thought I was pretty clear on that. Your quote was a little out of context, so maybe you missed my point.

Maybe you should get your booty outta Louisiana!! :) Where i am, i feel weird NOT being gay :laugh: :laugh: (not really, but kinda...) Come to the giant women's softball team that is berkeley.... :laugh: (again, i'm kidding)

No one needs to try, honey- he's basically a Friend of Dorothy anyways.

( :xoxo: to Dissention) :laugh: :laugh:

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Just cause of that Doug guy? I don't think so. Stevie, Isabelle Adjani, and Parker Posey are on my *list*, too, but i'm not really a friend of...uh...Martina? But much luck to you. And shouldn't we be calling you Friends of Stevie here? :) :laugh:

Well, then let me help ya out with some things that might make you feel better!

1) If you want to, you will get to have children when you decide you want and when you are ready to take care of them emotionally and financially.

2) As a woman, you are already familiar with the ins and outs of a woman's body- therefore, you are primed and ready to be able to please your partner without all that guesswork.

3) Disposable income!

4) The government has no control over your relationships- since there is no burden of having to worry about whether or not be married, your relationship will always be based on whether or not you are in love and the your desire to be together, rather than having to worry about legal entanglements.

5) You can't get drafted!

6) No birth control!

7) You don't have to concern yourself with parents pressuring you to have a child.

8) Fabulous culture with a world full of friends to make.

I could go on and on and on......

Really? Why would you be an outcast? You mean when you walk around with your girlfriend? I don't get it... :confused:
And to your other point, obviously i see what you mean, but perhaps these people are really trying to sort of comfort you the best way they can think of, you know, let you know they are not judging you. And maybe they are doing it in that less-than-perfect way because they know there is so much prejudice. At least i hope that's what it is. It's kinda lame, yeah, but hopefully at least these people have good intentions.
You should come here...there's lotsa cuties. And I know for sure the gay bar up the street from my house is really fun, and that's just one...you should wait till your 21.... :p

lemme add another one: Boys are dumb :laugh: :laugh: :p
Amber

I think celebrating diversity is a good thing. I think the reason why there isn't a "Straight Pride Parade" is because it's unnecessary- almost any parade could qualify for that. All you have to do is turn on the tee-vee or walk outside to experience the straight world- it's plastered everywhere for all to see.

If your straight friends really do care, I wouldn't consider their comments condescending. A born again christian that I work with refers to my partner as my "friend" as in "Hey, what are you and your friend doing this weekend?" That word in that context is like nails on a chalkboard to me, but I know her heart's in the right place and that she's trying to be nice, so it's alright.

See Amber, you're one step closer to having a mullet, moving in with a girl you met after one or two dates (she just happens to be your exes ex) and rockin' out to the Indigo Girls at the Michigan Womyn's Festival!!! ;) :laugh: :laugh:

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ok, but who's gonna like me with a mullet? :laugh: :laugh: See, i'm still very vain, so i'm still a gay man... :D Wow, watch the stereotypes fly!!! :xoxo:
AMber

You are pretty angsty...At least you penetrated their "inner circle" :laugh: How can you be the representative for all straight people if your hanging out with a bunch of gay people all the time? :D :laugh: Put on your see through tube dress and go get a boyfriend.... :D Then you'll really have something to be angsty about(kidding)

Yes. Yes, I am. :p


...nah.....just the effect I was going for.


-Curt

Uhm, well I guess it's pretty anti-climatic for me to say I'm gay (what?! when?!! ;) ), but I figured I'd chime-in too. :)

Hillary, don't worry... a lot of us go through periods of self-doubt, confusion, etc. And, unfortunately, not everyone gets to a place of self-pride. But it is possible to come from crippling self-doubt to being comfortable in your own skin.

Trust me, about 6-7 years ago, or so, I was NOT "proud to be gay." It was something I struggled with for a long time. I denied my sexual orientation to myself and anyone who would listen.

And I totally relate to what the Tower said about expriencing life and love through Mac/Stevie songs when I was a teenager. That music was my only outlet... I wasn't yet able to express myself in my own words, so I expressed myself through Stevie's.

I'm not the first person to say this, so I can't take credit... but being gay ain't for sissies. I wouldn't have chosen to be gay (I scoff at anyone who calls homosexuality a "lifestyle choice"), but I'm glad to now be able to say that I'm happy with who I am and I'm happy to be gay.
It adds a certain amount of complications and difficulties to one's life, but we all have our crosses to bear, so to speak.

I find myself in an odd position, because, being gay, I inherently don't fit in entirely with straight people... but I also don't fit in entirely with the so-called gay community either. I'm not the "ruggedly macho," sports-loving, outdoor-living type, but I'm not the more flamboyant type either.
I've been told by well-meaning friends that I need to wear my hair in "gay styles," or that I need to "dress more gay," etc. I've also been told on many occasion that I need to "play the game" if I want to find someone.
Maybe I'm stubborn, but I prefer to play by my own rules, and stay true to myself.

People want to pigeon-hole you... even other gay people. But, as a wise man once said, "it's important to remember that no one falls into a simple set of labels."

So, Hillary, my best advice to you, would be to stay true to yourself. Eventually you'll feel good about yourself in general, and not just about being gay. Sexual orientation is just one VERY small part of who we are (or at least it should be).

Queer here! :p

I think things are definitely getting better. When I was a twirling closeted gay adolescent, I never thought there would be gay proms, gay weddings, gay people all over TV, or vocal gay political groups and leaders.

Thank God today's gay youth are growing up in a world where they see themselves better reflected in society, even if it is somewhat in a harsh light at times. It just makes them stronger, in the end, and that's what matters.

Our next task is to truly unite and pool our resources and power, and we're home free. It won't be easy, and it won't be quick, but it will happen. Who knows -- maybe the thread you're reading right now could create the spark that changes the world! :blob2:

Oh, man, I know! I'm in awe when I hear about openly gay high school students, and same-gender couples going to senior prom together, etc.
I could never have imagined that when I was in school. Being closeted seemed like the only way one could get through high school in, roughly, one piece.

I think anytime a minority group makes in-roads, there's bound to be a level of backlash... people hold onto old ways of acting and thinking, with extreme tenacity... but the progress we're making can't be taken away from us. We've achieved too much to allow ourselves to be shoved back into the dark reaches of the proverbial closet.
But the struggles aren't over, and we still have a long way to go.

Someday ALL in the Gay/Lesbian community will feel comfortable with being themselves, and won't have to worry about the violence and prejudice that we're still often faced with today.

"Let there be light in this lifetime...."

That is so weird to me to. Like, what suspension of logic must you employ to think that people "choose" to be gay. And these are often people who are very homophobic. it's like, if you know how people like you(whoever said a-hole is) think about gay people, why would you also think people would choose to have (lame) people feel that way about them??? Seriously, it's a total suspension of logic to me... :confused:
Amber

Well...I'm straight and signing in.

I agree that Coming Out Day seems antiquated, but then again I live in the San Francisco Bay Area.

I also agree that double standards are incredibly annoying.

And I've been denied all of the passion, intrigue, etc. of "Rumours" as well.

And isn't it grand that the Mac have managed to bring all of us together? Just goes to show how universal their music is. We're trying to get a Gay/Straight Alliance at my school, but unfortunately we're under the San Francisco Archdiocese, so it's impossible to have a Gay Straight Alliance. BUT that doesn't mean we can't have exactly the same thing under a different name...

Wait, does that mean you go to a Catholic school? (by the way, shout out from Oakland, over here on Shattuck Street! :wavey: :thumbsup: I was in the city for school tonight..) Anywhoo, so of course there are still gay people in your school, but they are out? at a catholic school? how does that work? is it fine? do the nuns rap there hands when they act "too gay"? :laugh: (that was a total joke)
Amber

(Shouts out from San Mateo, 22nd Ave :thumbsup:)

Yeah...I go to a Catholic school even though I'm not Catholic. Of course there are gay people at my school. To my knowledge, none of them are out officially out because the homophobia there is so severe. The group I hang around with are theater people, so they have some feminine mannerisms. Some of the teachers make "gay jokes," which is completely inappropriate and annoying, but most are open about it. Even Catholic schools are still sort of intolerant, unfortunately...

"Even" Catholic schools? Bwahahahahahaha! Did you see south park, passion of the jews, but the catholic one? Anyways, the Catholic church (italians?) :laugh: practically invented gay...or maybe just molesting young boys, which is totally different. I'm kidding, but anyways, if your teachers are making gay jokes, that's totally wrong, and would never be acceptable in a non-religious school...doesn't anyone object? I suppose not so much, being a catholic school, but do they remember some stuff jesus said about not judging, and accepting everyone, etc??? And how we're all god's creatures? ALL GOD'S CREATURES!!! Dammit!! :D Seriously, how do they reconcile that?
Amber

It bugs me to death, too, and it must be horrendous for those who are gay. I've spoken out once or twice, as have my friends. To be honest, I just want to GRADUATE from the school.

I am going to be the first gay US Senator. :D

Cool! But what about Hillary Clinton? :laugh:

:thumbsup: I'll be rooting for you!

My previous comments were a joke in a Jay Leno tone :)