What the hell is going on!?
 

There seems to be too much of a heavy hand handling things here right now. I keep seeing threads disappear, now I see a moderator put up a thread with a sticky and preventing people from responding. This is inappropriate and unacceptable. Who is running this forum, John Asscroft!?

First, there are too man freakin' stickies up right now and it's out of hand. Why are we being forced to scroll down to at least the sixth or seventh thread to engage in a discussion? Get rid of the stickies. Now! They are annoying, especially when the same freakin' message shows up on every god-dang board. Get rid of them. Or find a place for them exclusively. The last I checked there is a "Ledge Boards" area in this forum and that's where these things belong.

That stuff is bad enough. Now I'm beginning to see a rather insipid practice of disappearing threads. What the hell is going on here?

And why is a sticky thread being started and people being prevented from responding? So next time I need to make a statement but don't want to be bothered with questions about it, can I just put up a sticky and lock the thread immediately? THIS IS A MICKEY-MOUSE WAY TO RUN THINGS, and that kind of practice BELONGS ON MICK'S BOARD, not here.

Lastly, why is Villavic's thread on FM videos locked? Who the hell is locking all these threads?

I want answers!!

What's the magic word? :rolleyes: :p

And I must admit I did wonder about Villavic's locked thread

Pip

Yes, this is an outrage! I thought this forum was above that kind of thing.

I support the deleting of the thread in the Chit Chat forum as it violated the rules regarding drug usage, etc. :shrug:

I also support the locking of the thread that was continuing an argument on Burnish.net - I think that argument had no place here and I think it violated the FAQ's although I could be wrong.


I know nothing about the FM Video thread - so I cannot comment on that.

All in all, I think once a moderator tells someone to watch it, they need to do that or PM that moderator and tell them what is going on etc.

Anyway, my $0.02.

Could it be because Villavic's thread was a dupe? There already is a thread about Favorite mac videos. :shrug:

You mean to tell me that a poster saying he/she was posting while under the influence of drugs is supposed to be some kind of violation? That seems like a stretch to me.

Hell, we should never mention Stevie's, Lindsey's Christine's, Mick's and John's abuse of various substances then. Seems like an arbitrary decision was made, and it was a bad one.

Smells of censorship to me.

The reason his thread was locked was because he accidently made two. No big controversy there.

Uh? Who? Which thread?

CarneVaca--

Such hostility! Nobody forces you to frequent the Ledge forums-- certainly not the moderators. At any time or if you do not like the way the forums are run, you are free to find something else to do. You can also get your own server, create your own forum, and post as much as you want. You can have as many rules as you want, or no rules at all.

A FAQ was established that has the guidelines for these forums. It has been modified from time to time as the Ledge grows by myself and the moderators. The moderators do their best to enforce the FAQ and if their (or my) actions strike you as censorship, then so be it. These actions do not qualify as censorship to me. For the number of posts that are on the Ledge (approaching 150,000), I think the moderators intervene VERY infrequently and with much discretion. For your convenience, the FAQ contains links to a few areas on the internet where there are no rules at all. If you do not like the FAQ, you can go to the other sites or start your own forum as suggested above.

There is nothing wrong with the content of Villavic's post. I notice EXACTLY the same thing is posted on the Ledge and it is not closed. The unclosed post has a poll though. PERHAPS, he wanted a poll in it and forgot to add that option in the original post. He then started a second one with a poll and, since users can no longer delete their own posts if they started a thread [a feature added after another blowup a few months back], it was closed by a moderator. Is that plausible at all? Was he censored at all because of this?

As the administrator of The Ledges, it is at my discretion to have sticky threads or not. I have delegated this option to the moderators as well. Key elements of the site that people will find interesting or for which I am hoping for some participation are 'stuck'. Some people, unlike yourself, visit the forums infrequently and I would like this information to be easily accessible. Again, on your forum, you can avoid the use of all sticky threads as this bothers you so much, that it is apparently necessary to use big red words to try to make a point.

- Marty

breathe in.....breathe out....now chill out

Hostility!? Not even close. Just asking for some answers, is all. Or is asking questions an act of aggression in your eyes?

I know, Marty. You love to point that out every single time, and frankly I could have answered it for you since I know it by heart now, but you're not really addressing the issue, are you?

A simple, "Villavic made a mistake. A new thread was started and the original one canceled," would have sufficed. Why lock the thread? If it's an unintentional dupe, why not delete it?

Does the same message have to be stuck on every single board? Why do you have a "Ledge Forums" board if you're going to use every other board for the purposes of the "Ledge Forums" board? Now we have stickies going up with apologies to friends on threads that are locked to prevent anyone from responding. That strikes me as an abuse of the sticky and locking power. And I noticed you didn't address that point. Why not? Why is it OK to create a restricted thread so you can apologize to a friend?

And why was it necessary to delete threads that already contained a lot of participation? When the thread should have been deleted -- the unintentional duplication mentioned above -- it was locked. When it perhaps should have been locked or been moderated with some posts of caution -- the Burnish and Zeppelin debacles -- it was deleted. What's the rationale here?

Gee, Marty, now you're objecting to how I choose to write my posts. That kind of thing should be beneath you. I don't see anything in the FAQ about prohibiting the highlighting of words and phrases in your posts. Why would you object to that? You object to my making a point? I see you're not above repeating yourself several times to make your points -- it's my board, read the FAQ, etc. -- so why would you object to how I make mine?

Yaaaaaawwwwwwwnnnnnnn..

:rolleyes:

Seriously, how long is THIS one going to go on? Oh well, I guess I will CHOOSE to not read this thread anymore.

Paula

I endorse that choice.

:lol:

However, I have to admit it- I have a strange fascination with watching people invest so much energy into something so trivial simply for the sake of argument.

freedom of speech.
ah, so trivial :rolleyes:

no ****, all i have to say to this is:

SERENITY NOW!!!~

BLESSED BE~
JILL

I second Marty's comments, and not because this is HIS board. For a Fleetwood Mac board, it seems there is rarely any Mac talk going on. Just like the in the Presidential race, let's get back to the issues:

- What is Stevie wearing, and will she really be back in the studio this fall for her new album?

- Is Lindsey recording and working his fingers to the nub to give us some great music? I hope so!

- Isn't it great that Christine's new single is a hit? I actually heard it on the radio! And did anyone see the commercial for her album during the "Destiny Rules" Vh1 re-broadcast on Sunday?

- I'm glad Mick made his own album. Even though I probably won't buy it. I really liked The Visitor though...

- Where the hell is John? :wavey:

I agree with you. I thought the original poster was making some important points, despite the bluster. I would still be curious to see the answers to the unanswered questions.

Oh please... It's just a BBS! Privately owned, I might add.

well, let's start with the stickie-issue.
Here's a printscreen I just made.

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See what's happening? There's only ONE other subject visible besides the stickies. So you nearly always have to scroll down.
It's a nice gadget, but I agree it's gotten a bit out of hand & it's a cause of irritation.

I don't get it how we use the word 'private' for a forum that's visited by hundreds. If not thousands. Would be interesting to philosophize about, mm?

Damn that scrolling!!! I actually HAVE to move my finger a little bit?!?!?

:lol: :lol:

Seriously, I'm just having fun. I think stuff like this is hilarious.

see what happens when you take the summer off??? I needed the sticky's to get the gossip. but I always miss the good feuds :shrug: someone pm me and tell me the scoop :shocked:

What, you never heard of RSI before? :p

"Seriously, I'm just having fun." ;) I like the inherent contradiction in that statement.

Back to the issues at hand: Don't you think these stickies should go in a separate forum? I mean, all of a sudden you have the same dang post everywhere, and no one is responding to it anywhere. What's the point? Create a place for these things and be done with it.

I own a store and the land the store is built on. Thousands of people come in my store every year but I don't want any animals brought in, or any food eaten in my store, or any smoking in my store. I have these requests posted where everyone can see them and I ask everyone to abide by my wishes. I can say that because it's my store, my land and a public place where thousands of people can visit.

Does that help?

NO, let's not start with the stickie-issue. Marty has already answered the question in his post. Why do you feel the need to get him to change his mind? It's his board, and it's his decision.

Here's a computer tip: if your finger gets tired from scrolling, take your hand off the mouse for approximately a second and hit a little key called "Page Down".

You know what the worst thing about analogies is? They usually fail. A store where commerce is transacted is hardly parallel to a forum created expressly for the purpose of exchanging ideas. That's where your analogy fails, and miserably so.

What's wrong with trying to change his mind? Marty has made changes to the boards before based on input from the community members. Do you see something wrong with that?

Well, which finger should you use for that? ;)

Wait, you mean to tell me Christine's new single is a hit!! Holy ****! :woohoo:

my sarcasm got the nu page! :]

You're not trying to get Marty to change his mind. If that were the fact, you would have messaged him privately and respectfully. But you didn't, you created a separate topic filled with flames on the main board of the Ledge to create some big controversy. You're simply trying to be in control, and you can't stand it that you're not.

That accusation is so absurd it hardly merits a response. If I weren't trying to get them to change this annoying sticky policy, do you think I would have wasted my time? Please. :rolleyes:

FINALLY! Someone gets back to the issues!

YES, Christine's single is a big hit. It was one of the, if not the most added single in her radio format. (Whichever one that is...)

I even heard it on the radio in Houston. The last new Stevie or Mac single to even be played on the "mainstream" radio here was "Maybe Love..." in 1994. Some of the oldies stations played "Silver Springs" and "Landslide" in 1997, but none of the hits-only stations as far as I know.

So, that's pretty good for Christine if you ask me. I've seen the commercial for her album several times on Vh1 and once surfing across Lifetime (I think -- all those little corner network icons start to look the same after a while...). It's a great clip in case you haven't seen it -- it has a very green look to it, just like the album cover, and the editing flows perfectly with the music. And she looks great, to boot!

You're quite mistaken. The issue at hand has nothing to do with Christine here. Last I checked, there is a board to discuss her music and doings.

Why do you keep trying to derail this thread? What do you have to gain from that? If it bothers you, why do you keep stopping by?

I suppose I can get into a pissing contest with you but seeing as how it's Marty's site and message board, I respect what he wants to do and how he wants to run his his site. I don't demand that stickies be removed and the board changed because I don't like it or mock his management skills and and that of his moderators by posting nasty demanding threads like the one you started here. It's a shame that you can't see how out of line the tone of your original post is. You could have accomplished much of what you wanted to know without the nasty manner in which you chose to start this thread.

We have 3 major public Fleetwood Mac message boards. Currently one of the sites is closed and we came close to losing this one last year. No open message board is ever going to please everyone who reads or posts on that board but the site owners (and moderators) do the best job they can. No easy task if you ask me. Fans can make the choice that they can live with the rules of each board or they can choose not to post or visit that site. Sometimes we may think the owner made the wrong decision but IMO, continuing to publicly harrass and challenge them in a nasty tone is wrong. You might disagree but I think from reading your posts you know how Marty feels about this so why continue to mock him and take this site down this path?

I completely agree with you Carne. There are way too many stickies and I was a bit turned off when Johnny Stew locked the thread I started about Burnish. This is a Fleetwood Mac board and Burnish.net is a big part of the online Fleetwood Mac community. If I have questions about why the heck the site was frozen I should be able to ask them. No one was getting angry and everyone was having a civilized conversation and the next thing I knew the word "Burnish" was forbidden from this forum and all the thread pertaining to it were locked. Okay, sorry I am so mad. I just thought it was a bit rude that one of my threads was locked and furthermore, everyone thinks I am the troublemaker on this board when I am not! At least, I don't mean to be.

I'm intrigued. You wouldn't happen to know a great deal about dual identities and secondary accounts per chance? :lol:

If it were truly absurd, you wouldn't have responded at all. Seriously dude, control issues. And you're not wasting YOUR time, you're wasting OUR time. I'll say it again: this is not your board. And yes, I think you would have wasted it regardless.

If I remember correctly, you were one of the people who violated the rules of this board yesterday by insisting on posting about the burnish.net nonsense even after a moderator asked that the discussion be stopped. So not only did you show utter and complete disrespect to the spirit of this community and its guidelines, you doubled that by disrespecting the moderator. You, sir/madam, are in no position to reprimand anyone. And I would suggest you stick around and observe a little more before you get on your soapbox again.

There you go again. How many times are moderators here going to have to tell you not to carry over discussions from other boards to this board?

It is also wrong to continue to insist on discussing matters that a moderator has asked you to stop discussing, or do you not see that? And, frankly, I don't really care what you think is wrong, especially since you have already barrelled through here disrespecting the community and specific individuals.

I disagree with your assessment that I have mocked him. I merely asked Marty some questions, some of which he answered and some of which he didn't. Do you see me pressing him further on the issue of the locked thread that was duplicated? No. I am merely pressing on the issues that I do not feel were answered.

You would do well to tone down your sense of indignation about my behavior until you adjust your own.