Theories on Lindsey's Involvement?
 

I was listening to BHTM on may way to work and was thinking..........Lindsey was on both Behind the Mask and Time. Any theories? Was the Behind the Mask track just left over guitar work from an earlier session? What about the Time track?

I think he actually did lay down his track or tracks in the studio with them. One of the tourbooks has a few Polaroids of him with Christine, Mick, Billy, Richard D. & Dennis D. in what might be a recording studio kitchen. I don't imagine his guitar track was left over from an earlier session -- what session would that have been. None comes to mind. Did Billy or Rick talk about a visit to the studio by Lindsey in their Q&As? Quick! Somebody go check!

Here are some pretty poor scans of the pictures in the Behind The Mask tour book of the session when Lindsey and Richard were there.

http://www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com/image...ges/Btm002.jpg
Billy / Mick / Lindsey / Christine / Unknown / Richard

http://www.fleetwoodmac-uk.com/image...ges/Btm001.jpg
Mick / Lindsey / Christine

Mr. Unknown is Dennis Dunstan.

Cheers David :D

What track on Time did LB have a track on?

Linds provided additional backing vocals on "Nothing Without You." :)

And, even with headphones, I can't consciously hear him on the track...to where I can say, "oh, yeah, there's Lindsey's voice right there".

There's a certain timber to the background vocals in the chorus, that I think sounds like him, but it really is so hard to tell.

His vocals aren't nearly as prominent as you'd expect or want them to be. :distress:

Also, "Paper Doll" is the only one of the new songs on 'The Chain' that I can hear him singing backing vocals on.
Of course, I can also only hear Stevie on "Heart Of Stone"... so maybe they each only contributed backing vocals to one new song apiece. :shrug:

The personnel on "Heart Of Stone", from what I've gleaned over the years is only Chris, Mick, John & Billy Burnette. I'll have to play it again to hear the voice you hear as "Stevie". :shrug: (since I haven't listened to it in a while)

Lindsey's voice on "Nothing Without You" DEFINITELY isn't as prominent as, say, his backgrounds on Tom Petty's "Walls (Circus)". :nod:

Chris, Mick, John & Billy might be the only musicans on "Heart Of Stone," but Stevie's most definitely singing in the choruses. Give it another listen... I think you'll agree. :nod: :)

I LOVE his backing vocals on "Walls"... I need to pull that song out and revisit it. :)

Ive Never Understood This !!!
 

You know, after reading this thread, which is a very good one by the way. One thing that has always boggled my mind is how Lindsey left the band in 1987 and all, but yet was always in some way or another, helping the band by being involved in the albums following his departure. I mean he was on BTM and from what I know he was on Time. I mean, I figured if he was as determined to be out of that situation as he said he was, why go and particiapte ? it to me shows I guess that he really did love the band and love the people in it.....course I am not sure if that was true back in 1990, but maybe there was a deep love for one another, I mean, why go back ? all be it in little drip moments.....I mean if you take the BTM as a example, Lindsey appears happy in those photos and yet Mick blasts him in his book ? I mean didnt Lindsey read the book ? its amazing HOW BACK THEN how arrogant each member was to each other, Mick writing a bunch of crap and slamming Lindsey and all, and yet he has Lindsey contribute to the album and take a photo with him, all smiling, and yet he slams him in his book, no Stevie any where in the photos, I bet Lindsey might not have been there that day if she was there, I dont know, these people back in those days really have me baffled.

I mean Stevie in those days was not her best and her so called great solo career was really struggling, and yet she had nothing but bad things to say about Lindsey, and Lindsey all though very quiet gives off a impression that he doesnt need the band and that the band was nothing but bad for him, and yet, bless his heart :) he is my fav !!, all of his riches and fame came from that very band !!! I love his solo albums, but Lord knows those didnt make him wealthy and rich, Mick being the humble one, slams Lindsey and such in his book, and is some sort of great manager, blows all of his money and the only reason he is out there on the road is to make back that money, amazing. I mean, people forget, and I have a very good friend who used to work at Warners from 1980-1992, and he told me some time ago, that the only reason the Tango In The Night Tour did as well as it did was because the album was good ! and becuase it sold well, and he told me that the higher ups at Warners knew the reason was becasue of Lindsey !! I also know for a fact that the band made it that Mick was the highest paid member during that tour !! he said he was bankrupt and that Stevie gave her ok to Warners to allow Mick to be paid more than he usually did, which was great on her part, and I know from this source that Lindsey was very upset that the huge reason they even wanted to do Tango was because of $$$$, he knew Mick was in trouble and that Stevie's album sales were falling. Course maybe that shows how much Lindsey loves Mick, I dont know.

I guess what im saying is I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall during those days..........I mean, they all had their parts and moments but yet they always seemed to care for one another in the end, which is so admirable and is why I love all of them as much. I admire Lindsey the most for his guts to walk away and to do things on his own terms as opposed to doing what every one wants him to do. And ill give Stevie her credit, she didnt leave and regardless of sales of her albums, she always gave her fans what they wanted, music music music, might not have been good music all the time but at least she was plugging away. Im glad Lindsey has gotten his due now, sad it only took a few decades but hey !! but why Lindsey even talked to these people after he left, let alone take part in those albums, ill never understand.

David

you're not taking into account the disparity between the mythology of the relationships and the reality of the relationships

The members of FM pretty much interact with each other as if they are a familial unit. And, like all families, there are times when they can't stand each other, and yet, still have a love and loyalty to each other.

Even in 1987/88, I'd bet that if any one of them had been diagnosed with some deadly disease, they would have all rallied around that member, and put any animosities or fighting aside.

But, as it was, they all had personal demons that they had to work out, and needed some time away from the others and their personal demons, in order to do so. It seems they also all (well, at least Lindsey, Stevie and Mick) had things they wanted to get off of their chest to the press.

Unfortunately, Mick's book was written when there still seemed to be a lot of hurt feelings, and not just a little bitterness, about Lindsey leaving the band.
As Christine has said, "the idea of any one of us leaving, was catastrophic to us."

Had Mick's book been written maybe three or four years later, it might have had a more conciliatory tone towards Lindsey.

And while I was rather put off at the time by Lindsey's references to "that band" and "that group," as if he couldn't even bring himself to speak the name "Fleetwood Mac," I did then, and do now, feel his appearances on both 'Behind The Mask' and 'Time' were very commendable, and a very respectful gesture. :nod: :)

Lindsey was on "Paper Doll"? I didnt realize that. I'll have to go back and listen for him.

chiliD... I was doing some mp3 editing with Audacity, and decided to make a quick snippet of "Heart Of Stone."
This is right near the very end, and I think Stevie is extremely noticeable on this part.

Let me know what you think! :wavey:

Pay close attention to the voice behind Stevie's on the word, "else." :)

You know thats funny I have always listened to Paper Doll and thought to myself "MY GOD THAT SO SOUNDS LIKE LINDSEY SINGING!" and then I look back at the dates and all, and I told myself...well it couldnt be because he was out of the group then...so I had no idea he was on it...wow thats cool...because I had always wondered how rick and billy sounded so much like lindsey there

Chris

In a 1992 interview with Timothy White for Billboard, Lindsey mentioned that he and Stevie had agreed to go into the studio with Fleetwood Mac to contribute to some new material.

We've since learned that the basic tracks for "Paper Doll" were recorded circa 1988, when the song was being considered for inclusion on 'Greatest Hits' (Mick preferred "No Questions Asked" though).
It's possible that Stevie overdubbed some new vocals for the 'Chain' version, but, at the very least, Lindsey definitely overdubbed some backing vocals to the track.
I assume he's only singing though, and not also contributing to the guitar parts.

"Love Shines" and "Heart Of Stone" were both recorded with Chris, Mick, John and Billy Burnette as the only members.
I don't hear either Lindsey or Stevie on "Love Shines," but I do hear Stevie on "Heart Of Stone," so her backing vocals must have been added later, per Lindsey's statement that he and she had both agreed to contribue in some way to the new songs.

Rick stated in his Q&A, that "Paper Doll" is the only new song on 'The Chain' that he's playing on.

Lindsey's track ("Make Me A Mask") was a leftover from the 'Out Of The Cradle' sessions, and I think it's pretty safe to assume that he's the only member playing on that track.

So basically:

"Paper Doll":
Vocals - Stevie
Keyboards & Backing Vocals - Christine
Lead Guitars & Backing Vocals - Rick
Rhythm Guitar & Backing Vocals - Billy
Drums - Mick
Bass - John
Additional Backing Vocals - Lindsey

"Love Shines":
Keyboards & Vocals - Christine
Guitars & Backing Vocals - Billy
Drums - Mick
Bass - John

"Heart Of Stone":
Keyboards & Vocals - Christine
Guitars & Backing Vocals - Billy
Drums - Mick
Bass - John
Additional Backing Vocals - Stevie

"Make Me A Mask":
All Instruments & Vocals - Lindsey

If you listen to it, you'd think he had something to do with the arrangement & production, too. It's loose & airy. It ain't the same band that's slogging its way through "Behind the Mask" -- that's fer shizzle.

I think the difference is that Richard Dashut produced "Paper Doll," while Greg Ladanyi produced "No Questions Asked," and 'Behind The Mask.'

Funny/sad thing is, Ladanyi got a terrific sound for "As Long As You Follow," in my opinion... it's just too bad that the other Ladanyi-produced tracks didn't have that same sparkle and airyness. :shrug:

While we're on the subject, I've often wondered about the 'Greatest Hits' sessions.

Ladanyi produced "As Long As You Follow" and "No Questions Asked," of course. And Dashut produced "Paper Doll."
So after Rick revealed that "PD" was actually recorded and intended for 'Greatest Hits,' I've wondered about that timeline.

Did the band start out working with Richard Dashut, and then move on to Greg Ladanyi for whatever reason?

Did Dashut start the sessions before having to leave for other commitments, so Ladanyi was brought in to replace him?

Was the band working with both Ladanyi AND Dashut simultaneously, with Ladanyi helming "No Questions Asked" after it was decided to abandon the Dashut-produced "Paper Doll"?

And where does Don Gehman fit into all of this?
When Rolling Stone did a news blurb on Stevie in mid-1988, it mentioned that she was working with Rupert Hine on her next solo album, and that Fleetwood Mac would be recording two new songs with producer Don Gehman, for their 'Greatest Hits' album slated for release later that year.

Lastly, why was "Paper Doll" dropped in the first place? Did Mick really prefer "No Questions Asked," or was it the fact that one of the "new boys" would have a co-writing credit right out of the gate, on a greatest hits package that could potentially sell millions?

Didn't Lindsey also add a little guitar to "Paper Doll"? I assume that he and Richard Dashut didn't get involved with this track until around 1992.

And, I agree about "Heart Of Stone". That's definitely Stevie on backing vocals on the song.

Somehow I can't help but wonder if Lindsey's participation on "Behind the Mask" and "Time" were driven by contractual obligations versus an actual artistic desire to be on those recordings. Especially considering Lindsey's unusual trademark guitar playing style, it just seems that his contributions were just kind of perfunctory and tossed in almost as an afterthought. It's almost as if he was saying "okay, here is my guitar part, now leave me alone."

Lindsey's voluntary willingness to participate on BTM seems somewhat unlikely considering the double diss of replacing him with Billy and Rick and then going on tour with them behind "Tango," which was essentially Lindsey's baby. And then there is that whole infamous slapping-Stevie incident fresh on everybody's mind... Considering that BTM was recorded in 1989, barely two years after the blowouts, I think the wounds would have still been too raw.

And Lindsey's voluntary willingness to participate on "Time" is even more improbable. This is an album that even Christine seemed loathe to participate in; it is even doubtful that she was even in the same room as the rest of the band during the recording sessions. Being recorded in 1994-1995, this was scarcely two years after Mick's vicious tell-all book. Again the wounds were still raw. And more recently in the press, Lindsey, has tactfully stated that the reason he reunited with FM for "The Dance" was that he wanted the dignity and status restored to the Fleetwood Mac franchise after becoming an opening act for REO Speedwagon (or something to that effect). Ouch! Obviously he was not a fan of this lineup.

I suspect that he had signed a multi-album deal with Warners (with FM and as a solo act) and, considering his lack of output even as a solo artist, he was probably under pressure to fulfill his contractual obligations within a certain number of years. And I suspect that appearing on these FM albums, albeit, in the most insidious manner possible, was the easiest way to keep the legal eagles off of his back. He just wanted to be done with FM, and this was the most expedient way of washing his hands clean. This is just my speculation, of course!

I think those wounds were still raw, but I don't think Lindsey was under any legal obligation to add a guitar part or two on "Behind the Mask." I think he did that as a show of good faith -- a nice little way to wish the rest of the band well -- the same reason essentially that drove him to participate in the last two shows of the 1990 tour at the Oakland Arena & Inglewood Forum. (Interestingly enough, it was Christine McVie, not Lindsey Buckingham, who saved the show in Oakland.)
About four years after the book, really. For my part, I don't see Lindsey's work on "Time" (I hesitate even to call it work because it's so minor) as anything more than a friendly gesture. With Dashut producing, it doesn't seem wildly improbable to me for Buckingham to have visited one day -- maybe to hear the mixes -- & add some guitar. This is rock & roll! It happens all the time! People -- musicians especially -- love to get involved, even with people with whom they're still working out troubled relationships. Remember that Lindsey started working with Mick again in 1995 ... & loved it.

Makes sense to me! Kind like how Lindsey has a credit for guitar on Trouble In Shangri La on... I can't remember the song... Linds probably doesn't either.;)

[QUOTE=David] (Interestingly enough, it was Christine McVie, not Lindsey Buckingham, who saved the show in Oakland.)
[QUOTE]

What do you mean David?

Christine infused those rather lackluster shows with warmth & commitment. Lindsey wasn't really onstage long enough to generate anything more than a briefly exciting blur.

I remember she really stole the show in Cleveland, but no LB there.

Btm
 

David, What songs did Lindsey perform on during those two shows? I've always been curious about what his demeanor was, whether it seemed like he really wanted to be there, how Stevie acted towards him etc. Were these shows before or after Mick's book came out, sorry I cannot remember what year his tell all was published.

Nqa
 

I was hoping that No Questions Asked would be 'cleaned up' for The Very Best Of... CD, but the same muddy mix is still there- Stevie's vocal is buried. Love the song, but I'd like to strip away Billy and Rick's vocals-

He played Landslide, GYOW & Tear It Up. Oakland on the 6th & L.A. on the 7th. Of course he wanted to be there! That's why he was there. This was the year Mick's book was published -- 1990. Lindsey's demeanor? He was fine ... his usual self but maybe a bit more subdued. After all, he was a guest. He jammed on lead guitar with Rick Vito on GYOW. The Oakland show is circulating on audio, & the L.A. show on video, if you're interested. It was the final two nights of a lengthy Fleetwood Mac world tour, & Christine & Stevie had both announced that it was their last tour with FM, so Lindsey's cameo provided a nice sense of closure.

Unfortunately, Steve Pond's review is on the mark about the band's lack of energy. I saw shows in Northern California at the start of the tour, in June, & saw the Oakland show at the end of the tour, plus a whole lot of videos of the final leg. They were relatively good back in June but really started stinking by November. The November & December Fleetwood Mac shows are the worst in my recollection. I used to get those fanzines back in those days & I can remember being aghast at other fans' opinions of these shows -- you'd open your fanzine & read things like "Best show ever!" or "Stevie never looked so beautiful!" (!) or "Exciting!" By 1990, I was really starting to feel alienated by these Stevie fans. They seemed to be living in a different universe, with different physical properties & laws. When Stevie's album "Timespace" was released in 1991, I remember laughing my ass off because of the title. I thought, "How apropos."

P.S. In some fairly recent article, Lindsey talked about this 1990 gig. He said it was like waking up from a long dream in the sense that he was seeing the same people over again (bandmates, crew, managers).

Btm
 

Thank you David!