Who are you going to vote for?
 

If the election were held today, who would you vote for? No need for a political debate, let's just see who Fleetwood Mac fans think should win this November. :cool:

I haven't decided between Kerry or the Green Party candidate (not Nader!). At this current moment, I'm leaning towards Kerry, so I cast my vote for him in the poll. ;)

Hey Diss--do you live in a swing state?

Easy...
 

I will vote for South Park's "Kenny McCormick", Gotta like a candidate that can die daily (Except for that one time during Christmas) and be up and "at 'em" the next, To only die once more :lol:

Brian "Oh my God, they voted for Kenny...You bastards" j.

ps-In all honesty, I am STILL undecided between Shrub & Franken-Kerry

Hell no! :laugh: If I lived in a swing state, my vote wouuld automatically go to Kerry! I live in MA...obviously a blue state. :lol:

LOL...since I've now entered my career as a journalist - I am not supposed to divulge that information....:D

In the last week though- I saw both Kerry and Bush speak at a convention - and had to cover their speeches....very interesting experience...

Anyway, it sort of sucks - I'm opinionated and such - but I also strive to be a good journalist...therefore I can't talk about my personal political views hehe...at least that's what my mentors have said :nod:

I voted for none of the above. I'm voting for Badnarik, the Libertarian candidate. I'm registered in Illinois, which will go to Kerry undoubtedly. He doesn't need my vote to win there, Bush doesn't need my vote to lose there, so I figured I'd make a statement.

That's cool! :thumbsup:

I'm not afro american..
 

But I don't vote either..

If I would, I wouldn't vote for Bush. I don't like him. I think he really damaged the US image in other countries.

By the way, when are the elections?

Dissention-

LOVE the MAMA T pic in your sig line.

Do you by any chance have (or knkow where I can find) her quote regarding "Having a mom in the white house"?

Yup, here it is:

"If nothing else, you will have a mom in the White House. You can call your Mama T anytime."

:thumbsup:

I love her. And I almost died when she praised gays, lesbians, and transexuals for "pushing the envelope." Such a class act. :nod:

I live in Colorado and I'll be voting for Kerry. :)

Here are some more great quotes from Mama T:

“Keep your head on, listen to your heart, remember who you are. Remember all the things you're taught.”

“I always taught my children they had to treat people properly or I would smack them.” :lol: (I love this one)

“I’m not perfect, Lord knows. And I have opinions and so do other people. The only thing one hopes is that when people criticize you, they’ve really thought about it. And I would hope that my friends and those that are not my friends, but would think about whatever, would criticize me with that in mind, which is to make it be better. That’s what criticism should be for. Other kinds of criticism, you know, it’s a free country.”

"It's time that we who clean up should have a say in how the dirt should be made."

Teresa is so awesome! I almost want John Kerry to win so we can have a First Lady like her in office. Granted, I'd rather have her running, but she can't because she wasn't born in the US (have I mentioned how stupid of a rule that is?).

Anyway -- gotta love Mama T! :nod:

That is cool. I wish her husband would be more supportive, though.
:mad: :distress:

Hillary

I see the one person who voted Bush didn't expound on why. Shocking. :lol:

It is stupid. And it's the only thing preventing me from throwing my hat in because god knows I have all the answers.

Then again, if the Germany had had such a rule in the 1930s, Hitler wouldn't have risen.

and then there is Arnold!!!!!!! :cool:

Yeah, once I heard that both Kerry and Edwards were both opposed to same-sex marriage, he lost some of my respect. The way I look at it is I'd rather have a President who will work to some form of 'equality,' than one who only mentions the gay community when trying to harvest conservative hate for political gain.

Have I mentioned how much I dislike Republicans? :mad: LOL! :cool:

LOL! I think we'll stick with the rule. :thumbsup:

But seriously, this country was founded by people who came here from other countries (and completely wiped out the original occupants...I'll shut up about that now). It just doesn't make sense why only natural-born citizens can rule a country that is "open" -- and I use that term loosely -- to everyone. Especially when there are such awesome people out there like Teresa. :D

I'm sorry, I mis-clicked. LMAO -- j/k. Whoever did vote for Bush should at least do it with pride...not many people vote for an idiot again after seeing the damage he's done in four years! :thumbsup: ;)

See Art. II, Sec. 1, Clause 5:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

I am fairly certain one of the reasons it was put into the Const. in the first place was so that the King of England could not send someone here and have them elected President. Remember, not everyone living in America was for the Revolution. I think the natural born restriction is quaint, but a little antiquated. Having said that, there is zero chance it will ever be erradicated, esp. not when we have gays trying to marry :rolleyes:

Yeah, I agree with you. This is the first election I get to vote in, and I feel like I need to vote. I can't stand the thought of not voting, and I don't want to vote for someone who won't win. So, I must choose between the two, and then the choice is quite obvious for me. I like how you put "equality" in quotes there, since I have to say that it's really this pseudo-equality with Kerry. But it's better than nothing at all.

Hillary

Plus, Kerry isn't that bad of a guy. ;)

I actually won't get to vote in this election, because I don't turn 18 until December...nevertheless this election has sparked my interest. :D

I guess I can see the purpose for it 'back in the day...but I don't think it is needed right now. I mean, I doubt Arnold or Teresa are undercover English spies determined to overthrow our government. Well, I'm not too sure about Arnold...lol, j/k. :laugh:

UPDATE: There's five now!

Ummmmmm, because he's NOT John Kerry! :lol:

That's the same reason I didn't vote for him!!! LOL! Nice to know all opinions are represented here... ;)

Thanks for making me feel so welcome, except for that disparaging Republican remark. :) :wavey:

I can't help it sometimes. LOL! I live in Texas. :wavey: :laugh:

In the end we all know what IS important. It isn't politics or ideals. It's Fleetwood Mac...lol! :angel:

Yeah, same goes for Louisiana. There are so many things I'm just so tired of hearing. I feel compelled to make generalizations sometimes. Okay, lots of times.

Safe answer. ;)

Hillary

What a ringing endorsement! :laugh: But then, I understand how hard it is to come up with some truly valid reason to vote for Bush. ;) :laugh:

Well, you can't ignore the fact that so many are voting for Kerry solely because he's not Bush. It definitely goes both ways. Sometimes, when I'm feeling particularly cynical, I think they're both just evil. Kerry's just less evil. And sometimes I kind of like Kerry, but I don't know why. It seems that he has yet to promise to do something that satisfies me. I don't know; I've switched to rambling mode so I'll just stop.

Hillary

I think the reason people make sweeping generalizations about the Republican party is because of the people they elect and choose to represent them, plus the people they embrace like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. When one of them is challenged, they turn to Jesus or 9/11. Pretty sad.

Look at the track record of the Republicans: Dubya, Bush #1, Nixon, Reagan, the list goes on. The only decent Republican president was Gerald Ford and they chose not to re-elect him. Let's not even get into senators and congressmen. Any party that would endorse the likes of Alan Keyes, Rick Santorum, Bill Frist, and The Gropefueher of California is bound to be a ****ty party. BUT - say any of that to a Republican and what do they do? They bring up Clinton. Rather pathetic. We could always bring up their daliances with little boys and other assorted "deviant" activities, but we don't.

Then you have the moderate Republicans who exclaim "The extremists don't speak for all of us," but what they don't realize is that they do. Moderate Republicans who vote Bush are complicit and putting an extremist in the White House. Moderates who vote Santorum or Keyes are allowing extremists to shape this country to suit their views. Most Republicans I've met will NEVER cross party lines and vote for a candidate who is not a Republican. Even I've crossed Democratic party lines and voted for other candidates and I'm about as extreme as one can get.

My problem is that a lot of Republicans don't look at everything that their precious leaders are doing in their name. They love to espouse Bush love without knowing his record, then the minute you bring his record up, you're a "Bush hater." It's ludicrous. It's as if they feel you cannot question the man and his policies (even though they would be merciless in their attacks if it was a Democrat in the White House) or else you're a hater. I'm not the best exampple of an average Democrat or liberal who doesn't hate the man, just his policies. I truly despise him and make no bones about it. However, what the right-wingers do, and I've seen it on this board, is they take people like me or Carne or Gldstwmn and try to make it as if we are representative of the Democratic party. They know it's utter ****, but they do it anyways. They take extreme views and pass off the lie that thsoe extreme views are represntative of the Democratic party, therefore it's an evil thing to vote for the Democratic candidate. But, and this is a fact, to make those same generalizations about the Republican party is blasphemy in their eyes. Only they can be the truly vicious ones and get away with it. ;)

Look at the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth (Lies, more like) controversy. There is not a single truth to any of the things they've said, yet Republicans are embracing them as if they are speaking the word of god. They cried foul over legitimate questions about Bush's military record, but now they're leading the attack on Kerry's exemplary war record. It's not only blasphemous, it's treasonous and unpatriotic. But it's okay with them because they have no shame. You can say what you want about the Democrats, but they NEVER do anything even remotely vicious like that.

My problem with Republicans lies not only in their lying ways, but their contempt for anyone who isn't a conservative. We're all sinners and are going to hell, in their eyes. They condemn gay people and say they're sinning or violating gods law, then turn around with a ludicrous statement like "I don't hate you, just your actions." Gimme a break. If they were people of god, theyd know that the bible clearly states that they have NO RIGHT to judge another person. Yet they do it anyways and say it's because they're god-fearing people.

They condemn liberals and call us communists, socialists, and other assorted whack labels. They say we're trying to corrupt the country and take it over. Why should I have respect for anyone who associates themselves with the kind of party that says these things? They've even gone so far as to say that gays were the cause of Nazi-ism! This isn't a party that desreves respect, it's a party that deserves extermination, starting with Shrub.

:nod: :laugh:

Exactly. That was my whole point for making that comment. TYVM Hillary!

NOT TO MENTION ( :laugh: ) they for many years now have hijacked the true meaning of the word conservative (smaller govt., less taxes, etc.) and instead do just the opposite. For example, the govt. is now the largest it has ever been and it is spending more than it ever has. The govt. also wants to control what two consenting adults do with their personal lives and they want everyone that is a fundamentalist Christian to have the controlling say and more rights swayed their way. If you are not a fundamentalist Christian, which mind you no law says you have to be, then they think it is okay for you to live here, just do not expect any representation, respect, or rights.


That is why I am not coting for W. He is the antithesis of what was traditionally called a conservative. Instead, he and the people who put him in power want a theocracy. :shrug:

Yeah, people I know to be 'true' conservatives, would never agree with half the stuff that Dubya does or says -- but for some reason they're not standing up for a change. Is part of being conservative letting people screw you over? :distress:

Honestly, Jason, how can someone add to that rant I posted above? :lol:

Exactly. This administration is NOT fiscally conservative. And it was always my understanding that true conservatives are for state rights, not federal intrusion.

I'm not voting for Dubya because he's a murderer, a thief, a religious extremist, and a right-wing whack job. :laugh: I'm still waiting for him to do something about Sudan...

Here I go again :laugh: :rolleyes: - as Dissention noted, the D party accepts (mostly by default) the liberal title, yet it hardly represents the true and traditional def. of that word. So, the same could be said for true liberals :shrug:

Now - Back to the regularly scheduled programming :wavey:

Do they have oil :laugh: :rolleyes:

Can Tricky Dickie make money there :laugh: :rolleyes:

Can we appease the Saudis by going there :laugh: :rolleyes:

No, no, and no. :wavey: I find it ironic that the reasoning Bush is using for going to war was to save the Iraqi people...yet he is doing nothing to stop the genocide in Sudan.

You can bet your ass that when I go to NYC to protest at the end of this month, I'll be screaming about Sudan. :laugh: