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ShangriLaTroubl 07-29-2004 10:41 PM

Kerry Speech
 
I thought Kerry's speech tonight was very good as well..I do wish he had spent a little more time shutting up critics about his voting record...would've helped...

Everything went well until the end....when while watching CNN I noticed the massive amounts of balloons on the ceilings never came down...and the guy in control accidentally had his mic still connected to CNN...I dunno why they never caught it...but the whole time hes gone "no balloons...no balloons...still no balloons...where the hell are the ballons?" and finally he let go "what the fu*k is going on up there???" whew, caught me off guard some lol...i wonder if all the channels got that feed or just CNN...gotta love live tv ...here comes your fines CNN! lol

Judy Woodruff said afterwards "as you see the balloons havent come down...and _____ (cant remember his name) has been trying to figure it out....and is obviously pretty upset...you may have heard some profanity, sorry...it was an accident...obviously he didnt know the mic was on."

Chris

darklinensuit 07-29-2004 10:46 PM

I fell asleep shortly into his speech, but I thought his daughters were excellent, especially Alex.
Also, I missed all of Clark's speech because I was out.
BTW, Jack Edwards sure is a cute little kid. The cameras were loving him.

- Jake

estranged4life 07-29-2004 10:54 PM

As an independent...
 
I actually thought his speech was very well done, I am still undecided (Except voting for Kenny McCormick...hehehehe) but leaning a bit more towards Kerry/Edwards than for Shrub/Dick.

But one MAJOR complaint that po'd me off:

PLEASE Do Not EVER Cut the $%^&*@!@#$% guitar solo from the Van Halen song "Dreams" again...That chapped my ass bigtime!!!!

wondergirl9847 07-29-2004 11:00 PM

Lmao!!!
 
Glitch Broadcasts Convention Snafu on CNN

1 minute ago

BOSTON - The Democrats have a balloon problem. John Kerry (news - web sites) concluded his acceptance speech Friday night, the jubilant convention crowd cheered and the balloons dropped. A few of them. Too few.

"Go balloons," said convention producer Don Mischer, instructing the balloon droppers. "Go balloons. Go balloons!" His voice was becoming increasingly frantic — and it was going out over CNN.
"I don't see anything happening," he said angrily. Unknown to him, CNN was running his name and title across the bottom of the screen.

Long minutes after the place was supposed to be a blizzard of balloons and confetti, Mischer was still shouting that it wasn't happening, at least it wasn't right. Viewers saw a lot of balloons, in fact, and Kerry, family members and delegates happily batted them around. But nothing like the 100,000 that had been supposed to cascade down.

At one point Mischer used a profanity to rebuke his balloon-dropping crew. CNN was still broadcasting his voice.

Finally, they all showered down. And Mischer's unhappy moment of TV fame was over.

His stage instructions were available to all major media covering the convention during the week — for their guidance, not for broadcast.

ShangriLaTroubl 07-29-2004 11:02 PM

estranged...i was undecided for the longest time myself...but no longer..it is very clear to me which candidate (out of the two main ones) reflects what I believe mostly...and that's Kerry..

I loved John Kerry saying "Teddy Roosevelt wouldnt have been able to do this in his speech....but I want to tell you to find out more information on the issues visit johnkerry.com "

I do encourage that..if you haven't...visit Johnkerry.com it gives clear, and thought out points on MANY MANY issues that we all hold true to us...

Another suggestion..a very good site to go to : Presidential Match

That site is very cool...you are given a questionarre concerning your feelings on numerous issues...and in the end it tells you which candidate you are most compatible with on the issues...in a percentage...very cool..you should try it...everyone should try it...

Chris

hayley 07-29-2004 11:17 PM

It was a great speech. I too wish that he'd addressed his voting record as well, I'm tired of having to defend it, but still- he was kicking ass and taking names, especially in regards to the war in Iraq. It was great. So many view him as not being a strong leader in that regard- and I think both him tonight and Clinton on Monday (strength & wisdom are not mutually exclusive) did much to turn that around.

estranged4life 07-29-2004 11:20 PM

Gee...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl
I do encourage that..if you haven't...visit Johnkerry.com it gives clear, and thought out points on MANY MANY issues that we all hold true to us...

does EVERYONE have to promote their website??? I laughed at that, So I guess Shrub will be promoting his next http://www.bushorchimp.com :lol:

Brian "http://www.angelfire.com/music3/rhiannon/Demos.html" j.

darklinensuit 07-29-2004 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by estranged4life

But one MAJOR complaint that po'd me off:

PLEASE Do Not EVER Cut the $%^&*@!@#$% guitar solo from the Van Halen song "Dreams" again...That chapped my ass bigtime!!!!

I didn't see that part, but great song. :thumbsup:

- Jake

estranged4life 07-29-2004 11:23 PM

I had the TV...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darklinensuit
I didn't see that part, but great song. :thumbsup:

- Jake

and floor speakers cranking, Listening to the reverbaration of the bass right until the part where EVH's guitar solo was to have been, Then nothin'...BOO to the PUTZ that edited "Dreams"...BOOOOO!!!!!

estranged4life 07-29-2004 11:32 PM

I went...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl
Another suggestion..a very good site to go to : Presidential Match

That site is very cool...you are given a questionarre concerning your feelings on numerous issues...and in the end it tells you which candidate you are most compatible with on the issues...in a percentage...very cool..you should try it...everyone should try it...

Chris

and checked out this website (Thanks for the link) and here were my results:

Kerry 67%
Shrub 32%

darklinensuit 07-29-2004 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by estranged4life
and checked out this website (Thanks for the link) and here were my results:

Kerry 67%
Shrub 32%

I was 76% Kerry, 24% Bush.
The questions have changed since I took this poll a couple of months ago.

- Jake

hayley 07-30-2004 12:20 AM

I'm 86% Kucinich, still. 81% Kerry, 4% Bush.

Still trying to figure out where the heck that 4% is coming from... !

Johnny Stew 07-30-2004 12:59 AM

I also visited Presidential Match, and my results were:

Kerry: 82%
Bush: 14%

:laugh:

Patti 07-30-2004 08:06 AM

I thought Kerry did a GREAT job, except for the fact that he seemed rushed. Other than that, I thought the content was fabulous and the delivery empassioned.

I posted a presidential match poll a while back, but it was different than this one. My results were:

Kerry 81%
Kucinich 79%
Bush 10%

skcin 07-30-2004 08:29 AM

I was impressed by future president (heehee) Kerry last night. He's got my vote (although he's pretty much had it for a while.

My favorite part (I swear I yelled "YES!") was when he said "we need to stop opening up fire stations in Bahgdad & closing them in the United States."

Paula

OT - anyone else want Teresa H. Kerry to get a new 'do? Or at least comb her hair? She's an attractive, well-spoken intelligent woman & her hair looks like a rat's nest. I could usually care less about hair, but hers really bugs me for some odd reason.

CarneVaca 07-30-2004 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hayley
he was kicking ass and taking names, especially in regards to the war in Iraq. It was great.

I guess I was watching a different speech. He glossed over his own record on Iraq (he was vehement that Iraq had WMD), which he's gotta know is the sticking point with undecided, anti-war voters. It was actually rather disappointing. At least defend it. But, no, he acted like it was unimportant. It's easy enough to tear the other guy down; it's a little harder to explain your own position.

Overall the speech was decent, not great. Hell, if I were basing my vote on the best speech, Rev. Al would get my vote. He fired up the crowd more than Kerry did. Kerry was short on how he plans to accomplish what he claims he will accomplish, but that is not unusual for this sort of speech.

No doubt the country will be better off if Kerry wins, but long term, unless he takes a very different tack from Clinton, we are going to continue our dangerous slide to the right. I notice that his campaign has been surrounding itself with the old Clinton gang, much like Dubya did with Reagan and Bush I types. We need to move forward, not constantly look back. Looking back is only useful as far as ensuring that you don't repeat the same mistakes. John Kerry already failed at that by voting for the Iraq war.

I hope he wins and I hope I am wrong about the kind of presidency he will give us. But I don't see it happening.

John Kerry would get my vote if he admitted he made a mistake, apologized to the families of the dead servicemen and women and pledged to withdraw from Iraq within six months of taking office.

The episode in which he saved his comrade from certain death in the Mekong waters says a lot about Kerry as man. Unfortunately so does his vote to allow the Bush administraton to attack Iraq.

CarneVaca 07-30-2004 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by skcin
My favorite part (I swear I yelled "YES!") was when he said "we need to stop opening up fire stations in Bahgdad & closing them in the United States."

You yelled YES and I muttered, "You should have thought of that before voting to attack Iraq."

CarneVaca 07-30-2004 09:03 AM

Kucinich 88
Kerry 73
Bush 6

They really need to update this for the general election.

jwys_soapbox 07-30-2004 09:10 AM

My results were not surprising (except that they still have Kucinich on the list of candidates):

Kerry 86%
Kucinich 80%
Bush 6%

Patti 07-30-2004 09:42 AM

He'll have opportunity enough to explain his voting record re: the war during the debates.

Carne, as far as promising to withdraw the troops within 6 months--I don't think he should promise that. We are there and need to finish the job. What Kerry has talked about is a coalition to come in (if he could get one together) and relieve some of our troops. But we can't just pull out of there without a sound exit strategy. It would make things even worse than they are now. We're kind of stuck for the time being IMO.

skcin 07-30-2004 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CarneVaca
You yelled YES and I muttered, "You should have thought of that before voting to attack Iraq."

Point taken, but I think that line meant just because the US is at war in another country doesn't mean we should forget about our own country's problems.

And how come we have all kinds of extra $$$ for NASA but not enough for SSI, healthcare, etc, etc.

Paula

Merf 07-30-2004 10:35 AM

I know I'm a bit late with this, but I took this presidential match thing again and I'm still getting Kucinich as my #1 candidate, :lol: I think it's because of my huge support of environmental issues.

Kerry 78%
Bush 4% :lol:

This is Bush's "stance" on the Environment. This alone (on top of a MILLION other things) cost him my vote:

Quote:

Environment
Oil Drilling in the Arctic Wildlife Refuge -Strongly Favor
Mandatory Clean Air Emissions Standards -Somewhat Opposes
Tougher Fuel Efficiency Standards -Strongly Opposes

CarneVaca 07-30-2004 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Patti
He'll have opportunity enough to explain his voting record re: the war during the debates.

Have you seen what passes for a debate in the last two or three elections?

Quote:

Carne, as far as promising to withdraw the troops within 6 months--I don't think he should promise that. We are there and need to finish the job. What Kerry has talked about is a coalition to come in (if he could get one together) and relieve some of our troops. But we can't just pull out of there without a sound exit strategy. It would make things even worse than they are now. We're kind of stuck for the time being IMO.
Sorry, but you don't know that leaving right now would make matters worse. Nobody does. The fearmongers would have us believe that all hell will break lose. Well, hasn't it already? We simply don't know what kind of chaos would happen if we left Iraq or whether it would be worse than the current chaos and the chaos that is likely to continue as long as we remain there. While we had the ability to predict what would happen if we attacked Iraq, and some predicted exactly what is happening, the situation has now become way too confusing and murky to try and guess what could happen if we left cold. Like it or not, our troops will be pulled out, either slowly as is happening now, or we do it right: Pull out at once and pay reparations. It would be cheaper to do that.

All we need to do to understand this is to study the experience of other empires throughout history. My own native country was an empire. Ever since it finally let go of the last colonies in the 1970s, it has not had any reason to go to war at all (save for token presences in American-led conflicts, such as the Gulf War, which it would not have gotten into otherwise.) And guess what? It is a far more prosperous and stable country as a result. Empires are doomed to fail.

From a strictly economic standpoint, we need to cut and run. This Iraq misadventure is a disaster the lingering proportions of which are not trivial:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...407299971db045

The damage is done. The end of empire is near. Why insist on prolonging the agony? There's absolutely no possible positive outcome of this Iraq misadventure. John Kerry should know better.

Incidentally, Teresa Heinz-Kerry was born in what was then a colony of the empire I mentioned above. She knows first-hand that empires are doomed to fail. You'd think she would have advised her hubby accordingly before he placed that fatal vote on the war on Iraq.

Patti 07-30-2004 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarneVaca
Have you seen what passes for a debate in the last two or three elections?



Sorry, but you don't know that leaving right now would make matters worse. Nobody does. The fearmongers would have us believe that all hell will break lose. Well, hasn't it already? We simply don't know what kind of chaos would happen if we left Iraq or whether it would be worse than the current chaos and the chaos that is likely to continue as long as we remain there. While we had the ability to predict what would happen if we attacked Iraq, and some predicted exactly what is happening, the situation has now become way too confusing and murky to try and guess what could happen if we left cold. Like it or not, our troops will be pulled out, either slowly as is happening now, or we do it right: Pull out at once and pay reparations. It would be cheaper to do that.

All we need to do to understand this is to study the experience of other empires throughout history. My own native country was an empire. Ever since it finally let go of the last colonies in the 1970s, it has not had any reason to go to war at all (save for token presences in American-led conflicts, such as the Gulf War, which it would not have gotten into otherwise.) And guess what? It is a far more prosperous and stable country as a result. Empires are doomed to fail.

From a strictly economic standpoint, we need to cut and run. This Iraq misadventure is a disaster the lingering proportions of which are not trivial:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...407299971db045

The damage is done. The end of empire is near. Why insist on prolonging the agony? There's absolutely no possible positive outcome of this Iraq misadventure. John Kerry should know better.

Incidentally, Teresa Heinz-Kerry was born in one of the what was then a colony of the empire I mentioned above. She knows first-hand that empires are doomed to fail. You'd think she would have advised her hubby accordingly before he placed that fatal vote on the war on Iraq.

Yes Carne, I know the debates aren't the be-all and end-all, but I think his voting record on the war and on the no vote for the $87 billion in aid for the troops will be a hot topic. He'll probably spin his way around the questions, as any recent politician is wont to do. So I guess I kind of agree with you. Shock! :shocked:

And you're right, I DON'T know what the outcome would be if we withdrew the troops immediately. I was simply voicing my opinion that things would be worse in Iraq. You could be entirely right. And from an economic standpoint ITA agree with you. We would be better served to cut and run. But I still don't think Kerry should PROMISE to withdraw within 6 months. If he reneged, it would be political suicide. Just being politically pragmatic here. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

DeeGeMe 07-30-2004 12:10 PM

Here's how I knew that Kerry had given a great speech--the commentators on CNN & MSNBC were stunned into silence for a long period after the speech was over. If you can get Chris Matthews to shut up--you know you've accomplished something! Then, all they could find to criticize him with was that his delivery of the speech was too fast! I guess they couldn't quibble with the content so they had to find fault with the delivery.

CarneVaca 07-30-2004 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DeeGeMe
Here's how I knew that Kerry had given a great speech--the commentators on CNN & MSNBC were stunned into silence for a long period after the speech was over. If you can get Chris Matthews to shut up--you know you've accomplished something!

Do you really think that's what happened!? They always do that. It is common practice to let the guy have his moment while the crowd reacts. Besides, CNN was too busy broadcasting the frantic urgings of the convention organizer to drop more balloons. What the hell were they thinking to keep the guy's mic on?

ShangriLaTroubl 07-30-2004 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarneVaca
Kucinich 88
Kerry 73
Bush 6

They really need to update this for the general election.


Well supposedly, they actually asked the presidential candidates the same questions...and your answers based on their answers is where they came from...and they started it when the primaries were going on.

Chris

gldstwmn 07-30-2004 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl
estranged...i was undecided for the longest time myself...but no longer..it is very clear to me which candidate (out of the two main ones) reflects what I believe mostly...and that's Kerry..

I loved John Kerry saying "Teddy Roosevelt wouldnt have been able to do this in his speech....but I want to tell you to find out more information on the issues visit johnkerry.com "

I do encourage that..if you haven't...visit Johnkerry.com it gives clear, and thought out points on MANY MANY issues that we all hold true to us...

Another suggestion..a very good site to go to : Presidential Match

That site is very cool...you are given a questionarre concerning your feelings on numerous issues...and in the end it tells you which candidate you are most compatible with on the issues...in a percentage...very cool..you should try it...everyone should try it...

Chris

Welcome to The Dark Side, Chris. :lol: :lol: :lol:

gldstwmn 07-30-2004 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hayley
It was a great speech. I too wish that he'd addressed his voting record as well, I'm tired of having to defend it, but still- he was kicking ass and taking names, especially in regards to the war in Iraq. It was great. So many view him as not being a strong leader in that regard- and I think both him tonight and Clinton on Monday (strength & wisdom are not mutually exclusive) did much to turn that around.

I think that's why he directed everyone to the web site. If he had to explain his Senate votes to us, we would have had a reprise of the '72 convention where McGovern accepted the nomination at 3 o'clock in the morning. :laugh:

ShangriLaTroubl 07-30-2004 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gldstwmn
Welcome to The Dark Side, Chris. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Thanks..glad to be here...now i have just have to change my voter registration over..lol . I actually still do carry what many consider "Republican values," but I think I always just considered myself that because so much of my family does and it was like the thing to be ya know? The biggest thing always holding me back was the abortion issue, and then I finally just decided you know what, I'm not a woman, I could never know what thats like, and I cannot let that one issue hold me back....so that's that. I really do BELIEVE (i know many ppl say that) but I do believe John Kerry has a great vision for the future...sure you can knit pick anyones voting record, but for me the real clear choice is Kerry....I think he plans to do A LOT of great things for college students, and Bush plans to cut college programs to pay for his war...so thats one of the biggest things to me as well

Chris

gldstwmn 07-30-2004 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl
Another suggestion..a very good site to go to : Presidential Match


Chris

Kucinich 85%
Kerry 76%

Bush 6% :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

gldstwmn 07-30-2004 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl
Thanks..glad to be here...now i have just have to change my voter registration over..lol . I actually still do carry what many consider "Republican values," but I think I always just considered myself that because so much of my family does and it was like the thing to be ya know? The biggest thing always holding me back was the abortion issue, and then I finally just decided you know what, I'm not a woman, I could never know what thats like, and I cannot let that one issue hold me back....so that's that. I really do BELIEVE (i know many ppl say that) but I do believe John Kerry has a great vision for the future...sure you can knit pick anyones voting record, but for me the real clear choice is Kerry....I think he plans to do A LOT of great things for college students, and Bush plans to cut college programs to pay for his war...so thats one of the biggest things to me as well

Chris

Bush is going to get up there at his convention and blow all kinds of sunshine. If he is reelected, he will continue power unchecked, furthering the military industrial complex plan thought up by his father and his cronies. As for paying for the war, they've already looted the treasury. George's main job is to line the pockets of his elitist/fundamentally religious base that got him elected. His is a puppet of the oil companies using the Book Of Revelations as his guideline.

dissention 07-30-2004 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShangriLaTroubl
I thought Kerry's speech tonight was very good as well..I do wish he had spent a little more time shutting up critics about his voting record...would've helped...

There was idle chatter about him possibly saying that he won't accept a salary if he's elected. But that's all it was, chatter. I think if he had said that, he'd have the election in the bag (not that he doesn't now ;) ).

CarneVaca 07-30-2004 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gldstwmn
If he is reelected, he will continue power unchecked.

Isn't that why we have a Congress? Oh, right, they just bent over when Bush wanted to go to war, Kerry and Edwards included.

gldstwmn 07-30-2004 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dissention
There was idle chatter about him possibly saying that he won't accept a salary if he's elected. But that's all it was, chatter. I think if he had said that, he'd have the election in the bag (not that he doesn't now ;) ).

He should do it! He might be saving that one for his own "October surprise." :thumbsup:

CarneVaca 07-30-2004 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gldstwmn
He should do it! He might be saving that one for his own "October surprise." :thumbsup:

Maybe he could donate it to those poor guys he helped send to Iraq who had to buy their own body armor.

amber 07-30-2004 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Merf
I know I'm a bit late with this, but I took this presidential match thing again and I'm still getting Kucinich as my #1 candidate, :lol: I think it's because of my huge support of environmental issues.

Kerry 78%
Bush 4% :lol:

This is Bush's "stance" on the Environment. This alone (on top of a MILLION other things) cost him my vote:

That's just the tip o' the iceberg, too, dude :distress: :shocked:

Kucinich 88%
Kerry 85%
Bush 5%
Amber

Johnny Stew 07-30-2004 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarneVaca
Maybe he could donate it to those poor guys he helped send to Iraq who had to buy their own body armor.

I realize that his vote for the War In Iraq is (at least seemingly) your biggest hang-up in regards to John Kerry, and that's fine... it's your opinion and it's understandable.

But this much can be said about John Kerry... he's a Vietnam vet, who served his country ably and proudly. He "fought in the trenches," as they say.
And maybe it's just me, but if anyone is going to send our troops off to war... even if it's a war I disagree with... I'd MUCH rather it be a man who's actually legitimately served in the military himself, and not someone with a dubious and spotty stint in the National Guard.

I don't have to agree with every decision he's made and every vote he's cast, to know that he's the one most deserving of my vote in November. :)

CarneVaca 07-30-2004 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
And maybe it's just me, but if anyone is going to send our troops off to war... even if it's a war I disagree with... I'd MUCH rather it be a man who's actually legitimately served in the military himself, and not someone with a dubious and spotty stint in the National Guard.

You get no argument from me on that point. And I would add to that: I'd much rather see a man who put his reputation and career on the line to protest an unjust war have enough sense to vote against another unjust war when he had the chance.

hayley 07-30-2004 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
I don't have to agree with every decision he's made and every vote he's cast, to know that he's the one most deserving of my vote in November. :)

I completely agree, Johnny. I know this- Kerry's a good man, I trust him. I do not trust the alternative.

I guess my feeling on Kerry going to war is this- we were ALL misled regarding the reasons for going to war, we were ALL misled about the validity of the CIA's intel. And if I were a senator, being presented with that information at that time, I'm not sure what my decision would've been.


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