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misterbug 04-26-2004 12:25 AM

Overrated music artists
 
who do you think is overrated?

simon and garfunkel. some of their songs are ok, and i listen to them sometimes, but the lyrics are too pretentious, sometimes in a faux-dylan fashion.

some lines that grate on me are:
"silence like a cancer grows"
"and the vision that was planted in my brain"
"sail on, silver girl, sail on by"

wondergirl9847 04-26-2004 12:46 AM

Oh mercy.
 
I'm going to bed. Night!
*Zips mouth shut*

:lol:

xdreamsunwindx 04-26-2004 12:46 AM

Sheryl Crow (I hate every song I've ever heard from her. First Cut is the Deepest is a decent song, but I much prefer Rod Stewart's version)
Joss Stone
Coldplay (I just don't see what's so amazing about them. I liked The Scientist and Clocks, but other than that, eh.)
Sarah McLachlan (I like Fallen, though)
Tori Amos
Maroon 5
The Dixie Chicks
Rush
Kiss
Nirvana (Even though I love some of their songs, I think they're pretty overrated.)
Evanescance

I'm sure I'll come up with some more later.

77Rumours77 04-26-2004 06:58 AM

I love Aerosmith, but Joe Perry is not the best guitarist in the world, I much prefer Jimi Hendrix, Lindsay Buckingham, or Tom Scholz

markolas 04-26-2004 07:31 AM

Well, I like Simon & Garfunkel :)

Yes, some of their lyrics are pretentious, but their voices just sound so good together.

I was going to say that I think Kurt Cobain is overrated, but someone already mentioned Nirvana. And I never got into Evanescense.


Barbra Streisand is overrated, as is Diana Ross, and all the "divas" who followed in their footsteps (Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Celine Dion, et al).

A friend of mine hates Aretha Franklin. While I think she was fantastic in her prime (late '60s, early '70s), her voice has deteriorated to the point of being unlistenable over the last several years, and I just cringe when I hear her sing now. So, perhaps she's become a tad overrated. Even though I love Aretha, Etta James is a more powerful singer (and she still has her voice intact).

darklinensuit 04-26-2004 07:47 AM

I love S & G, & they just (and finally) announced Houston.

I'm not much for Michael Jackson, Celine Dion, or Prince.
I'm not even counting the Britney & Justin crew.

- Jake

dissention 04-26-2004 08:22 AM

I'll forgive you for listing Sheryl Crow, Kate. Just don't let it happen again. :lol:

Ones that I can't stand but everyone else seems to love:

Nirvana (Ugh. Purely annoying.)
Aerosmith
Kiss
Led Zeppelin
Celine Dion
Whitney "Cracked" Houston
White Stripes
Stevie Nicks (Just checking to see if you're paying attention.)
The Beatles (I REALLY don't like them. Wings is okay, though.)
Simon and Garfunkel
Grateful Dead

estranged4life 04-26-2004 09:38 AM

Oh man...
 
I could really piss alotta people off, but I won't post who I think is overrated...(I tend to NOT listen to 80%-90% of the current Flavor for the weak..."Go Bahhhhh for me ya sheep")

For sakes of saving band-width I will say that Limp Bizkit are the most overrated Poser-drivel that has ever received airplay :laugh:

dissention 04-26-2004 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lux
um.....you like Wings? Talk about wallpaper musak! I'll just leave that one alone shall I?

Lord, no, I was joking! They're terrible. :laugh:

EveryHour 04-26-2004 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Lux
The White Stripes. I already have my Zepelin albums.

Huh?! Not seeing the comparison here. :confused:

EveryHour 04-26-2004 10:31 AM

[QUOTE=Lux]

um.....you like Wings? Talk about wallpaper musak! I'll just leave that one alone shall I?

QUOTE]

Wings are one of my all-time faves, and you couldn't be making this comment if you had "done all your homework". They had a lot of awesome rockers.

( :angel: =W=INGS Forever! :angel: )

EveryHour 04-26-2004 10:44 AM

I agree with a lot of mentions here (and strongly disagree with many of them), but Sheryl Crow is one I have to chime in on. I think it's great that she is a multi-talented musician and I think her voice is pretty amazing, but 95% of her songs leave something to be desired for me. Don't even get me started on All I Wanna Do or Soak Up The Sun :) . Unfortunately, she strangely leaves me thinking it's a shame she can't write better songs because, combined with her other talents, she would really be a knock-out if she could. On the other hand, she seems somewhat aware of this which I give her a lot of credit for. I know she said somewhere that she knows she is not capable of writing the type of deep, meaningful songs that Stevie is. Despite this, Sheryl is still better than a lot of stuff out there...I think it's the fact that all of the older artists think she's the Holy Grail is what leads to the feeling of overrated-ness.

I'll also throw in a big agreement with Jewel.

IMO, I don't think Britney and Justin are overrated...they're good at what they do, which is make pop music, dance and put on a show. To me, "overrated" means people deemed as being incredible at what they are setting out to do, but seem to be falling short of the mark.
I think they're well aware that they are not doing anything that is going to change the world. Justin is also an amazing vocalist, as is Christina Aguilera.

EveryHour 04-26-2004 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Lux
Huh? I'm no historian because I don't like Wings? That doesn't make sense. I don't like them, that doesn't make me lazy.

No...I don't care if you haven't been enticed to pursue their other work by the singles you likely know. Just pointing out that it was unfair to call all of their music "muzak" when you don't know. "Done all your homework" was in quotes because it's an expression. :woohoo:

Just trying to defend one of my favorite bands here! :cool: My emotions are all stirrrrrrrred up! Can't help it. :rolleyes:

EveryHour 04-26-2004 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lux
Yeah, I know, it's a stretch. I see it more of a regression of what Zeppelin were doing. Or perhaps what Zeppelin would would be if they were a modern band. Anyway, I don't like it so much. I hate the fact that we are told the White Stripes are good. We must appreciate them, they are the new rock music. Ah, no, they're the old rock music and they're only noticable because there's bugger all else out there.

I completely agree...I hate the fact that we are fed what we should think is good or bad (in regards to anything, actually). I just know that, for me, The White Stripes are one of the most incredible bands I've ever heard (without comparing them to anything) and I do think they're important to have around right now. I hope people don't prevent themselves from liking them (or any other artist) simply because of what they're being "fed". To me, in a roundabout kind of way, that puts you in the same boat as those who like them because they're told they should. :)

wondergirl9847 04-26-2004 12:00 PM

Exactly
 
Quote:

I hate the fact that we are fed what we should think is good or bad (in regards to anything, actually).
I feel that way in regards to Justin Guarini. People never gave him a chance because they were told by the "media" that his album sucked, it most certainly DID NOT. Of course, Justin said that 90% of the album was NOT him and the next album, which will have him co-writing his own stuff will be closer to his personality. :) I just get so frustrated at the hate spewed towards him when people don't even LISTEN to his music. :( If you hear it and don't like it, fine, but give it a chance at least.

WHY do people diss stuff without hearing it first? :shrug:

I don't like to be TOLD what to like. I do read reviews of movies, music, etc, but that doesn't make me go, "Oh, if they don't like it, I won't either." That's stupid. Think for yourselves people!!!! In the words of our own Brian....don't be a sheep! LMAO!!

I guess I'll go ahead and answer this question. Be warned. LOL

Beatles (Okay, they were first, but that doesn't mean they are the best. JMO)
Rolling Stones (WTH is Mick Jagger a sex symbol? Where is that vomit icon? Boring, sorry.)
Sheryl Crow (Never have liked her)
Led Zeppelin (Stairway is an okay song, but overrated)
Barbra Streisand (UGH!! WHY do people think she's so great?)
Toby Keith (Sick of him)
Dixie Chicks (Go to battle with TK and END it already)
Kenny Chesney (Agreed, Brian. Why is he popular?)

strandinthewind 04-26-2004 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lux
As far as babs goes, I didn't know people thought she was great. Isn't she considered a joke? Well I've never heard of anyone liking her.

Oh youth :laugh:

La Striesand was/is one the greatest selling performers of all times. She is just older now that is all. Her voice was the thing legends are made of and is still pretty good. Plus, she could/can act and direct and she is a natural at bawdy schtick (What's Up Doc and Funny Girl being amongst her best).

Mind you, I am so huge fan, but she is highly talented and highly regarded even if her popularity has waned as she got older.

If she went on tour today, she would sell out the largest arenas in every city just like she did on her last two farewell tours :laugh:

golden braid 04-26-2004 01:16 PM

I think Elton John and Sting are overrated now. They're always nominated for an Oscar for some insipid song they have written for a Disney movie. They usually seem to win too. :eek:

I like Sheryl Crow although she is everywhere. I don't like hearing her songs on commercials. That drives me nuts.

I like Led Zep, Nirvana, and the Beatles. :cool:

chiliD 04-26-2004 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
The Beatles (I REALLY don't like them. Wings is okay, though.)

I suggest psychotherapy. As Al Gore said, "That's just wrong".

strandinthewind 04-26-2004 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux
Ok, I didn't know that.

Australia is very cynical as a nation and where others might embrace, we often just laugh. If she went on tour here there wouldn't really be any television media to advertise through, (wait, there's one morning show she might fit in with) ie. there's no market. I, more so than most, find that genre very hard to buy into.

Her last two tours there, the most recent of which was in 2000, were huge successes :shrug:

Here is some info.

http://www.sonymusic.com.au/news/det...20020129154611

excerpt from above:

The career of Barbara Streisand has been impressive, to say the least. She made her debut in 1963, and has had a US number one album in every decade since then; she's the highest selling female recording artist of all time according to the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), with 29 platinum records; and she's as passionate today as she was fourty years ago.
____________________________________________________

http://www.barbra-streisand.com (make sure to read the bio)

R.I.A.A. Totals as of 11/01:


•43 Gold Albums
•27 Platinum Albums
•13 Multi-platinum Albums
•8 Gold Singles
•5 Platinum Singles
•5 Gold Videos
•2 Platinum Videos
•1 Multi-platinum Video

Plus she has won an Emmy, A Peabody, an Oscar, and countless Grammies and other awards.
_________________________________________________________

Australian appearances:

http://www.bjsmusic.com/sydney.html
___________________________________________________________

So, apparently, she is still very popular down under :cool:

EveryHour 04-26-2004 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux
That's like people thinking FM are just Dreams or Don't Stop.

This is important for all of us to remember in this thread, eh? :)

After my comments about Sheryl Crow, I do really like a song she did with Stevie at AHI '00. It was kind of a dark sounding song...I think it was the last one they did together? Anyone know the title? Thanks.

EveryHour 04-26-2004 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Lux

In regards to Wings. I have Band on the Run, Red Rose Speedway, Wings Over America, plus most of Venus and Mars. Having heard them, I just don't find it all that inspiring. Eh, I consider it musak, you don't, oh well.

That's a lot of albums for thinking they're musak! Are you trying to cover up that you're a closet fan? ;) :)

Villavic 04-26-2004 01:30 PM

The Divas and the 60s
 
I do agree about the Divas being overrated. Houston, Ross, Streisand. I think all of them have great works but that doesn't turn them atuomatically in divas.

I also thinkl the 60s are overrated. More than overrrated, my point is that the following decades were underrated.

ryan8472 04-26-2004 01:35 PM

Some artists I feel are over-rated:

- Sheryl Crow (I never liked her music. Sorry!)
- Nirvana (I agree - They are really just annoying)
- Rolling Stones (I hate Mick Jaggar's voice!)
- Barbara Streisand
- The Polyphonic Spree (They sound like a cross between The Brady Bunch and The Tom Tom Club to me. No thanks.)
- The White Stripes (Though Seven Nation Army was an OK song. But just OK!)
- The Dixie Chicks
- Limp Bizkit (Terrible.)

strandinthewind 04-26-2004 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lux
No, just got them for about $1 each and I'm (obviously) a Beatles fan so I had to check them out.

Steisand toured Australia in 2000? I must have been too busy being under 60 to notice. My sincere apologies to the babs. I'm sure the prime minister went along. Actually this makes sense. Those below approximately 60 are more and more cynical. The slightly older on the other hand, well they're your average bunch of propaganda eating, diva embracing people. I stand corrected, or indeed sit corrected..........holy crap, it's 5am! I need to go to bed, but I won't sleep, eh, I'll just stay here.

I dare say the entire crowd was not 60 or over :laugh: I mean like Stevie and FM, Babs carreer spans four decades and certainly the Stevie and FM crowds are multi-generational even though FM is seen as an older band, etc. Plus, BS' records still sell very well.

:cool:

dissention 04-26-2004 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EveryHour
I agree with a lot of mentions here (and strongly disagree with many of them), but Sheryl Crow is one I have to chime in on. I think it's great that she is a multi-talented musician and I think her voice is pretty amazing, but 95% of her songs leave something to be desired for me. Don't even get me started on All I Wanna Do or Soak Up The Sun :) . Unfortunately, she strangely leaves me thinking it's a shame she can't write better songs because, combined with her other talents, she would really be a knock-out if she could. On the other hand, she seems somewhat aware of this which I give her a lot of credit for. I know she said somewhere that she knows she is not capable of writing the type of deep, meaningful songs that Stevie is. Despite this, Sheryl is still better than a lot of stuff out there...I think it's the fact that all of the older artists think she's the Holy Grail is what leads to the feeling of overrated-ness.

:shocked:

Do you own any of her albums (Very Best of SC doesn't count)? Just asking because if you did, I don't think you'd be saying you wished she'd write better songs; she's a genius, musically and lyrically. It saddens me that she made that comment about her songwriting because a great deal of her stuff is just as moving as Stevie's, IMO. The Globe Sessions is amazing and her song "Redemption Day" is, IMO, one of the best songs ever written.

I think that someone needs to actually listen to an artists albums, not base their impression of them on hit singles (which Crow has had tons of, but they don't necessarily represent her albums).

And she is the last of a dying breed when it comes to old school musicians, there's no way around it. The girl plays almost ever instrument, writes her own songs, produces her own albums, tours almost yearly; it's no wonder that all the classic artists love her, she's doing what they did. When you get the endorsement of Bob Dylan, you're up there in my book. ;)

dissention 04-26-2004 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lux
Steisand toured Australia in 2000? I must have been too busy being under 60 to notice. My sincere apologies to the babs. I'm sure the prime minister went along. Actually this makes sense. Those below approximately 60 are more and more cynical. The slightly older on the other hand, well they're your average bunch of propaganda eating, diva embracing people. I stand corrected, or indeed sit corrected..........holy crap, it's 5am! I need to go to bed, but I won't sleep, eh, I'll just stay here.

As opposed to a Fleetwood Mac concert?! :lol:

I'm not a big Babs fan, but next to Michael Jackson, she's probably the most famous person in the world. Her career spans forty years, many, many generations and she's the biggest female entertainer of all time. I saw one of her shows and the crowd was just as diverse as a Mac concert.

It has nothing to do with the diva attitude or anything of that ilk; it has to do with her talent and the way people respond to it. I am not a big fan, but you could put any song in front of Babs and she could sing it as if she wrote. She can truly sing any song with so much emotion that you'll stand in awe as you listen. She interprets them like no other.

For millions of people, she represents a great deal. I don't think she can be dismissed as being an old fart of a diva. She's practically American royalty.

strandinthewind 04-26-2004 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dissention
:shocked:

Do you own any of her albums (Very Best of SC doesn't count)? Just asking because if you did, I don't think you'd be saying you wished she'd write better songs; she's a genius, musically and lyrically. It saddens me that she made that comment about her songwriting because a great deal of her stuff is just as moving as Stevie's, IMO. The Globe Sessions is amazing and her song "Redemption Day" is, IMO, one of the best songs ever written.

I think that someone needs to actually listen to an artists albums, not base their impression of them on hit singles (which Crow has had tons of, but they don't necessarily represent her albums).

And she is the last of a dying breed when it comes to old school musicians, there's no way around it. The girl plays almost ever instrument, writes her own songs, produces her own albums, tours almost yearly; it's no wonder that all the classic artists love her, she's doing what they did. When you get the endorsement of Bob Dylan, you're up there in my book. ;)

I agree (don't fall over :laugh:) SC is great at what she does. My only problem with her is I do not care for her voice that much. I agree she has a good voice, it just is not what I like to hear sometimes.

I also think that the respect she is given by pop royalty (Michael Jackson), rock royalty (The Eagles, FM, La Nicks, etc.), country royalty (Emmy Lou, DC), and folk rock royalty (Dylan) lends her additional credibility.

dissention 04-26-2004 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strandinthewind
I agree (don't fall over :laugh:) SC is great at what she does. My only problem with her is I do not care for her voice that much. I agree she has a good voice, it just is not what I like to hear sometimes.

Yeah, sometimes her voice isn't what I want to hear, but she's great anyways. :lol:

DrummerDeanna 04-26-2004 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiliD
I suggest psychotherapy. As Al Gore said, "That's just wrong".

:nod:

First off, I was going to stay away from this thread because I *HATE* the term "overrated". Who is anyone to say what is over rated? What is that based on? If it's based on your opinion then it would be more appropriate to say, what artists don't you like? Or what artists do you dislike that everyone else seem to love? But overrated?? I just refuse to use that term...

SOO..I'm offering musicians that I personally do not like...

Elvis
Mariah Carrey
any rap artist...I just can't stand the genre...oh..except Will Smith and Queen Latifah..I respect those two...
Shania Twain
Faith Hill

Villavic 04-26-2004 03:22 PM

overrated..
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna
:nod:

Who is anyone to say what is over rated? What is that based on? If it's based on your opinion then it would be more appropriate to say, what artists don't you like? Or what artists do you dislike that everyone else seem to love?

I think it is based on what WE think it is overrated. Yes, it is based in my opinion, but not only about them, it is also based on what THEY SAY about them. For example I do like Barbra and Michael J, but some of their works. So they are overrated when media or anybody says they are the "queen" or "king". (though I think that "king of pop" is a title Michael himself said, but I'm not sure.)
Barbra has a beautiful voice. But it is hard to say if she's better than Whitney. Different styles, different kind of voices.

Overrated is also when a just new singer or band comes and media say... "the new Elton John", the "new king", or "greater than the Beatles!", "famous in the whole world", or worst of all.. "the best album in rock history"

jadegypsy 04-26-2004 03:26 PM

overrated
 
My Overrated:
Mariah Carey (I don't care if she can sing every note, I just don't feel anything from her songs)
Selena (good songs, too short of a career to really put so much acclaim on her)
ANY RAP (no melody, no insturments, what is it they do again), and just as a side me and my roomate were arguing about this, she was trying to tell me that rappers have just as much talent as Hendrix, I was thinking she lost a few marbles.
ANY of the teen pop (britney, christina, justin, bb, n'sync...)
Janet Jackson, shes okay, but well...
Greatful Dead: If I want LSD influenced rock I'll listen to the JA.

Now as a sidenote: I don't think you can overrate the Beatles, everything for the most part Rubber Soul on (excluding a few songs from MMT and the White Album is great stuff).
Led Zepplin I just got into and just bought the DVD, they are awesome and I will forever envy my dad who saw them live several times.
Oh and you don't need to be old to like Barbra Strisand, I love her and usually place her in my top five voices.

I think a few people go very underrated:
Stevie, one of the first rock females to do both group and solo career simultaniously and she usually gets written off as a flake.
Madonna did everything we are seeing now for girls a decade ago, whatever controversy was left for women in rock she pretty much took care of it. Not a great voice, but a great entertainer.
Paul McCartney: Yes Lennon was a genius, but so was Paul, there would be no Beatles w/o both.
Ringo Starr: not the worlds best drummer, but the beatles early music with Pete Best is awful.

darklinensuit 04-26-2004 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lux

Steisand toured Australia in 2000?

Yup, with Bob Dylan and Tom Petty, but she did not have the right Visa. People who need people are the luckiest people except when they've got a whole lotta trouble. Or so the angel says. Do you remember it? ;)

- Jake

dissention 04-26-2004 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darklinensuit
Yup, with Bob Dylan and Tom Petty, but she did not have the right Visa. People who need people are the luckiest people except when they've got a whole lotta trouble. Or so the angel says. Do you remember it? ;)

- Jake

So that's what you spend your SS check on: anti-psychotic drugs.

It all seems so clear to me now.

darklinensuit 04-26-2004 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strandinthewind
Her last two tours there, the most recent of which was in 2000, were huge successes :shrug:

Here is some info.

http://www.sonymusic.com.au/news/det...20020129154611

excerpt from above:

The career of Barbara Streisand has been impressive, to say the least. She made her debut in 1963, and has had a US number one album in every decade since then; she's the highest selling female recording artist of all time according to the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), with 29 platinum records; and she's as passionate today as she was fourty years ago.
____________________________________________________

http://www.barbra-streisand.com (make sure to read the bio)

R.I.A.A. Totals as of 11/01:


•43 Gold Albums
•27 Platinum Albums
•13 Multi-platinum Albums
•8 Gold Singles
•5 Platinum Singles
•5 Gold Videos
•2 Platinum Videos
•1 Multi-platinum Video

Plus she has won an Emmy, A Peabody, an Oscar, and countless Grammies and other awards.
_________________________________________________________

Australian appearances:

http://www.bjsmusic.com/sydney.html
___________________________________________________________

So, apparently, she is still very popular down under :cool:

Not bad, Jason. You qualify to join my mother's mah jong group.

- Jake

dissention 04-26-2004 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darklinensuit
Not bad, Jason. You qualify to join my mother's mah jong group.

- Jake

Bridge is at five, bring your own cheesecake. ;)

Siri Ruane 04-26-2004 03:53 PM

Barbra Streisand
Celien Dion
Faith Hill
Shania Twain
Sheryl Crow
Tim McGraw
Linkin Park ... one of the few bands of today I've listened to. Of course they suck. :D
ACDC
KISS ... don't get me wrong, I love these guys, but they are slightly overrated.
Pearl Jam
U2 ... again, they're okay, but not THAT good.
Janet Jackson

cliffdweller 04-26-2004 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dissention
Stevie Nicks (Just checking to see if you're paying attention.)

:laugh: good one.

I'd have to say that The Beatles tend to be a tad overrated. Now let the rock throwing commence....

The praises Madonna receives for her "brilliance and changeability" are also played. I agree with Stevie that the sex thing is tired, however, I prefer to alter the sentiment a bit by saying Madonna's whole schtick is tired, let's try something else shall we?

cliffdweller 04-26-2004 04:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiliD
As Al Gore said, "That's just wrong".

...and..."I invented the internet." :laugh:

Sorry, I just found out about that this weekend.

dissention 04-26-2004 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cliffdweller
The praises Madonna receives for her "brilliance and changeability" are also played. I agree with Stevie that the sex thing is tired, however, I prefer to alter the sentiment a bit by saying Madonna's whole schtick is tired, let's try something else shall we?

Agreed. She can't even drum up any decent controversies these days. She needs to retire; her best days are behind her. :nod:

77Rumours77 04-26-2004 04:49 PM

Quote:

I like Sheryl Crow although she is everywhere. I don't like hearing her songs on commercials. That drives me nuts.
I don't like her, I mean I loved soak up the sun! But if I hear it one more time I will put a gun to my head and not hesitate to pull the trigger! :]


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