Did the doc hurt Lindsey?
 

I'm sitting here thinking that there has been lots of "haterade" (LOL!!) towards Lindsey lately after the doc. Anyone else feel that way? :( I don't mean hate in the literal sense of hating someone, I just mean, people look at him as a whiney (DANG, I hate that word right now along with cheesy) jerk who doesn't know what he's talking about. He's out of the loop and needs to get a life.

Did the doc change people's minds about Lindsey one way or the other?

Re: Did the doc hurt Lindsey?
 

No, even though I haver criticized him a bit, I love him just the same. It's like that you know, always criticize the ones you love? I just want what's best for Fleetwood Mac when it's a band effort. God, I'm starting to sound like Stevie! :laugh:

For the most part, I think the documentary mostly just reinforced the feelings someone already had before they saw it. Most of the harshest criticism I've seen directed at Lindsey came from people who are generally critical of him anyway. Several of those comments started with "He's still just the same...." By the same token, most of the people who were more apt to empathize with Lindsey's point of view before seeing the doc still feel that way. Generally speaking.

It didn't change my views. He's still the genius mastermind behind Fleetwood Mac. :D

this documentary definitely confirms that! :) :) :) :)

:confused:

He's talked a lot over the past 6 or 7 years, about being a better person now, and that fatherhood has allowed him the chance to move away from being "selfish" (his word, not mine)... so I guess being that I was expecting to see more of that, I was kind of surprised to see someone who appeared quite unwilling to compromise except when absolutely forced to.

But, at the same time, he seemed quite loving towards, and kind-hearted with, Stevie, and it's easy to see that they take the bickering and disagreements far better than we do!

As long as you don't focus only on the negatives, or, on the flip-side, don't totally turn a blind eye towards them, then we seem to get a more accurate view of Lindsey as a person, than we have ever had before.
So basically I think it was a good thing to see.

Actually, the documentary made me respect him a little more. I now understand better why certain decisions were made. And I am happy that he pushed his argument as far as he could take it.

I would have done the same.

Well...
 

When a man asserts himself, he's being pushy and aggresive, but when a woman does it, she's doing a good thing. :confused:

I thought we were supposed to fight for what we want? But yet, people always want us to change (our ideas and our minds). :rolleyes:

I understand compromise and why it can be a good thing, I just don't get the double standard. :shrug:

I wasn't very surprised by the way Lindsey seemed in the documentary. I've always gotten that type of impression of him, at least when it comes to the creative process, and it was nice to see him in action, to actually have something to base that impression on. I don't think any less of him, because I get the idea that he's always been that way in the studio, and that's how FM albums get made. Maybe it shouldn't be that way (I found myself asking how John stands it when it comes time to record an album) but that is how it is. It may not be the most ideal, but it produces some pretty good stuff when the day is done.

Re: Well...
 

If we didn't fight for what we want, we'd still be a British colony!

So, support Lindsey and be a patriot. Otherwise, well, you know... the terrorists win.

Re: Re: Well...
 

Have you been drinking :laugh:

Seriously, I think the doc. confirmed the persona of LB - he is an artist and a brilliant one at that. He also likes to cause a little trouble here and there for those who like to play it safe - more power to him. I am just thankful he did not give the "cycles" speech - now THAT would have hurt him :laugh:

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Now, that would be a worthy endeavour at this point.

Re: Re: Well...
 

yeah but on the other hand, you'd be living in the neighbourhood of New Amsterdam.

(i first intended to write: sometimes I wish you still were. But one can push too far on one day-huh?:laugh: )

But I agree. His fighting is a very important part of the creative energy in this band. And he did it quite controlled-so He's not damaged in my opinion. Aux contraire.

Re: Well...
 

No offense, Christy... but that's actually an ironic statement!

Traditionally, men have always been allowed to be assertive and aggressive... in fact, it's actually encouraged, as it's viewed as reinforcing one's masculinity... but a woman who asserts herself is typically written off as a "difficult, demanding bitch."
Just look at so many famously strong-willed women... Madonna, Cher, Martha Stewart, Bette Davis, Eartha Kitt, Joan Collins, etc... and you'll see how negatively they're often viewed for their assertiveness.

It's a horrible double-standard that is still perpetuated. :(

Re: Re: Well...
 

Actually, it's quite the opposite. :laugh:

In recent years, it's become frowned upon for men to assert themselves because it's a sign of being domineering and too aggresive; that the man is trying to prove his masculinity. On the other hand, when a woman does it these days, it's considered to be a good thing in the sense that she is asserting her independence and strong will, whereas years ago, she would've been considered a bitch. She's not letting the men, who historically had the upper hand when it came to aggression and assertiveness because it was a trait of their masculinity, tell her what to do or make her conform to doing things they way they want them to be done.

Ah, the wonders of Sociology classes. :laugh:

PS: I'm not saying that women still aren't viewed as being "bitches," I'm just saying that it's to a much, much lesser degree than thirty or even twenty years ago.

And Eartha Kitt? Meow. Read my sig. ;)

Right Diss...
 

That's what I meant. In today's society, it's flip-flopped now.

Weird.

Re: Right Diss...
 

I know, I was agreeing with ya. :laugh:

It's totally weird, but a long time coming. Some men just seem to think that their penis will magically enlarge if they show rage and assertiveness at just the right moment.

Re: Re: Right Diss...
 

It doesn't? :(

Re: Re: Re: Well...
 

Which explains why a lot of the leading men in today's TV programs are doofuses who fear their wives. Take Ray and Doug (King of Queens). Total doofi.

But Johnny is right that traditionally it was just the opposite.

Re: Re: Re: Well...
 

It's defintely better now, but I still feel there is a perception that the woman who is pushy and aggressive is "trying too hard" and worthy of eye-rolls, if not the name "bitch."

I'm a female and I think men get a bad deal these days....Women beat guys into submission. Everything has to evolve around the woman, as she's gotten to be very self-centered.

By what you read, Madonna AND Nicks could be real barracudas over the years......:eek:

Do you women actually listen to those fat, bespectacled, man-hating (some married!) female professors who are lost in the '60s and '70s with their ideals? They've never reached the top in anything but are trying to teach YOU? Give it up! :)

Guys are great and should be appreciated!

Re: Did the doc hurt Lindsey?
 

Well, I don't think he won any new fans with the doc, but I don't think he lost any old ones either. You'd have to be a pretty lame fan to stop liking Lindsey just because he was unbending in the doc!

I may be sorry for asking, but 4Buck, do you post anything that isn't a blatant attempt to bait by insulting an individual or group of people?

Re: Re: Re: Re: Well...
 

Blame it on Melrose...:laugh:

You're totally right, but I was just trying to say that, in general, that isn't the case these days. It is much more acceptable for a woman to be a working girl, to be ambitious, to assert themselves, to not take crap from anyone. They may be called a "bitch" or some other derogatory term, but at least the womans behavior is acceptable and normal in this day and age.

Hurt Lindsey???
 

:wavey: :cool: NO not at all...it showed us what we have heard
about managers,The Mac and their way of recording!
Lindsey surely knew what he was going up against!!!:eek:
That new house better be worth all the aggravation!
He handled his disappointment quite well as shown!!!;)

We loved Lindsey adjusting his "bits and pieces"!:]Sky:laugh:

Re: Re: Right Diss...
 

Thanks. I never knew that. So I can get rid off that vac-pump now?:D

Re: Re: Re: Well...
 

Yes. :laugh: :laugh:

:eek:

Yes, it is a rather disturbing mentality that I was satirizing. I will do that sometimes.

:laugh:

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:laugh:

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I totally agree with this. On TV and in movies, I definitely see men being more submissive and less agressive. But in my real life, men rule the world. I have worked for twenty years, in different industries and in different capacities, and I have never to this day met a man who gives a woman her due credit, financially or otherwise. But I have met many who think an agressive woman is a bitch. My current co-worker (he thinks he's my "boss") actually had the audacity to say that women deserve less pay because they expect to get maternity leave!

Well yeah...
 

Carolina Girl...some men are just stupid. :laugh:

Some women are too. It goes both ways. :nod:

Stupidity knows no gender.

Thank you. As a male, I feel very supported by these high-intelligent comments.

Re: Well yeah...
 

True!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

>>My pleasure, Shackin' Up!>> :)

I'm ecstatically glad you understood.

Re: Re: Well...
 

Hello. I am a new member of the board but have been a regular reader for quite a while. I must say that the above remark is one of the most disgraceful that I have come across. I was so incensed that I decided to become a member of the board so that I could voice my sadness at such a thoughtless, spurious comment. If you are wondering, yes I am a Brit, and no I haven't lost my sense of humour. Even if said as a joke, the remark was highly inappropriate and definitely not funny. I am sure that the family and friends of British servicemen/women serving in the Gulf, Afghanistan and other regions around the world would be equally dismayed if they were unfortunate enough to come across the remark.

No matter. I shall not let this spoil my enjoyment of coming onto a terrific message board and reading some great postings. Regards to you all.

Mirage.

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I thought it was funny :shrug: and still do :laugh:

Welcome to the board! :cool:

*raises eyebrow*