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wondergirl9847 03-18-2004 09:27 PM

Non-Favorite Live Songs?
 
What songs do you not care for live?

My list:

Lindsey:

GYOW (I am about to get STONED for this one, but I just love the Rumours version SOO much. It's the same with Dreams...it's just PERFECTION there. I don't HATE it live, it's just eh for me. I prefer ISA or Come for a hard rocker.)

Peacekeeper (I love LB's solo version SOOO much and it's pretty eh live)

WTWCT (It's okay, but there are many other songs on SYW that I'd KILL to hear live)

Stevie:

Dreams (Read above. LOL)

Gypsy (Same thing, it's PERFECTION on Mirage...although, the lil acoustic version they did at AHI was a'ight.)

SYW (Don't care for it on the album, and hearing it live, eh. LOL)

Christine:

SYLM (It's never been a fave Christine song of mine, and back in the day, live, it was boring. *EXCEPTION* Dance version...GREATNESS)

YMLF (Eh. They don't do anything different from the Rumours version to make it great for me.)

Over My Head (Eh...I don't care for it on the White Album and live, it's not fun for me)

skcin 03-18-2004 09:34 PM

Gypsy & Dreams are pretty blah live compared to the album versions, IMO.

I'll likely be KILLED for this, but I tend to agree with Stevie that Sara doesn't do well live. On boots, it sounds either really dragging or the tempo is sped up too fast. That's not to say I wouldn't be excited if they did it on the next leg, if only cuz it's become such a rarity, but I'll take the demos or the (extended) album version any day.

Paula

Mad4stevie 03-18-2004 09:39 PM

I hate WTWCT. LB sounds off key to me at times and it never really seems to start off well. Brings back bad memories of that horrendous Today show appearance.

ryan8472 03-18-2004 09:50 PM

Lindsey:

-Monday Morning (Boring on the album, boring live.)

-Go Your Own Way (From the Rumours tour to the Mirage tour, it was awsome. Then, when Linds left, and then came back, it didn't sound the same. Now, the music and Stevie still sound great, but Lindsey's voice is shot on this song. Don't care for it anymore.)

-Tusk (Too many backround vocals on the current version. It was always cool though.)

Stevie:

-Dreams (Just give it up, Stevie. It was great, then it just got boring and overplayed.)

-Rhiannon (Still not bad, but she could never do it like on the White Album tour again.)

-Gypsy (I hate every live version of this song. It was only good on the album, IMO.)

Christine:

-Say You Love Me (I kind of liked the older live versions, even though they were only mediocre. But The Dance version killed the song for me. Sorry Chris.)

-Over My Head (The album version was good, but the live version always sounded a little too country to me.)

-Everywhere (It sounds bad live. Except for The Dance version. Otherwise, it doesn't sound right to my ears.)

xdreamsunwindx 03-19-2004 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by skcin

I'll likely be KILLED for this, but I tend to agree with Stevie that Sara doesn't do well live. On boots, it sounds either really dragging or the tempo is sped up too fast.

I agree. I hate the way that Sara transfers to the stage; It just goes on and on... There is so much going on in the studio version that when it's done live, there is a lot missing that makes the song sound kind of empty. Now I have never liked this song anyways, but I'd take the studio version over the live versions any day.

As for the question...
Lindsey-

WTWCT. It's boring. Just... Incredibly boring. Lindsey's vocals are incredibly flat as well.
Peacekeeper. Sick of it. It does nothing for me live.

Christine-

Little Lies- Never cared for the live version. Mediocre compared to the studio version.
Over and Over- I never cared for her vocal on this. I've only heard the Live album version, so I'm not sure if all of the live versions sound alike, etc. The guitar solo at the end makes up for that, though :).

Stevie-

Dreams. No explanation needed.
Gypsy. The Dance and AHI versions are incredible, but other than that, this song is rather dull onstage.

stefan 03-19-2004 03:59 AM

Re: Non-Favorite Live Songs?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by wondergirl9847
[B]

WTWCT (It's okay, but there are many other songs on SYW that I'd KILL to hear live)

Pardon? That song easily was the best live translating song from the new tunes. I like the album version O.K. not more not less. It`s one of the less exciting ones I guess. But live it really rocked imo. In opposition to PK- I agree here. I think the album version and esp. the solo version is a great catchy tune and deservingly the first single. But somehow they can`t translate it well live- whatever the reason may be.

EnchantedSLN 03-19-2004 04:09 AM

Stevie - Dreams, Rhiannon, & Gypsy. From 1975-1983, yes. But these days they just seem lackluster. I wouldn't mind seeing them get dropped and replaced with other songs. I know that will never happen though, since those are the classics that the masses of casual fans expect to hear.

Lindsey - If we're not just talking about this tour, Save Me A Place. I love it on the album, but live performances ruin it for me. I tend to skip it on all the Tusk boots. I don't really care for WTWCT live, either.

wondergirl9847 03-19-2004 11:07 AM

Interesting...
 
We all seem to pretty much agree on the songs we don't care for.

Stefan, it's okay, but doesn't bowl me over. I'd much rather hear Red Rover and Murrow live!! :nod:

UT-BABY 03-19-2004 12:47 PM

Gypsy, Dreams, Rhiannon, and Say You Will. I like most of Lindsey's except for Peacekeeper....boring.

skcin 03-19-2004 02:06 PM

Almost forgot my Lindsey least faves live:

Peacekeeper (just never did anything for me.)

Say Goodbye (sounds too mumbled live, and casual fans can't hear what he's saying, therefore they miss the meaning, therefore DUMP IT & put something else new in - SYHA would be a safe choice, but I'd love to hear Rover.)

Not That Funny - I know many of you LOVE it, but I can't deal with LB deep-throating the mike & the yelping makes me litereally cringe - LITERALLY!

Paula

PS - Re: Chris - I don't like Little Lies on the 87/88 boots much either, but I love the album version.

David 03-19-2004 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EnchantedSLN
Stevie - Dreams, Rhiannon, & Gypsy.
Those would probably be on my list, as well. "Rhiannon" would be, without a doubt.

I never need to hear "I Need to Know" again at a Stevie Nicks concert. Nor do I need to hear "Stop Dragging My Heart Around."

At Fleetwood shows, I don't like "Don't Stop" any more, but I sure loved it a long time ago when the blues in it was still discernible. And I'm tired of "Tusk."

I'm tired of so much, really! Perhaps I should stop here.

cliffdweller 03-19-2004 03:15 PM

Lindsey:
Peacekeeper---This one is starting to make me yawn everytime I hear it.

Bleed to Love Her---Never was really crazy about this one live or recorded.


Stevie:
Dreams---Okay, I love this song recorded, but it's getting a bit boring live.

Gypsy---this is another one that needs a little livinening up.

SYW---I like this song okay, it's just that I've heard it too much. Unfortunately, it's one of the only new songs by Stevie that they'll play live!

Christine:
The only songs I enjoy her singing live are "Say You Love Me," "You Make Loving Fun," and "Songbird." I would've loved to have heard her do "Brown Eyes," "Honey Hi," and "Think About Me" live at some point in my lifetime.

I would also love to hear Christine and Lindsey do "World Turning" together one last time.

Also:
Don't Stop---Could we run this into the ground a little more? I didn't think so, but it'll never leave the playlist...

dissention 03-19-2004 03:15 PM

Dreams- My favorite version was during the Dance tour and it needs to be retired.

Don't Stop- :rolleyes:

Gypsy- The song itself just doesn't hold up live at all. If they insist on doing it, they need to do it like at AHI 2000.

Rhiannon- Save your energy for a new song like EFO or RTTG. Rhiannon must be an old hag by now and she needs her rest.

The Chain- Yes, I'm a blasphemer. The chain is not together, so stop singing the damn song.

Peacekeeper- Yawn. The new back-up is the one who shines on this song.

Say You Will- It has not held up well.

GYOW- The band just goes through the motions on this song.

Over My Head- Oh lord, they butchered this one on The Dance.

Big Love- Yes, we all gawk at Lindsey during this song because he's just amazing, but put a fresh spin on it. Do a full band version.

Now, I love Gold Dust Woman and never would wish it to be gone from a setlist, but I wish they would tone down the theatrics on this one. Do it nice and simple like back in the day. Howl all you want and scream to your hearts content, but stop with the dramatic gestures and facial distortions and cheesy lighting.

cliffdweller 03-19-2004 03:17 PM

Re: Interesting...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by wondergirl9847
We all seem to pretty much agree on the songs we don't care for.

Stefan, it's okay, but doesn't bowl me over. I'd much rather hear Red Rover and Murrow live!! :nod:

:nod:

sodascouts 03-19-2004 03:18 PM

"Peacekeeper" is a good song, but tempo-wise, it brings the show to a grinding halt. We all wait around for "Take no prisoners, only kill" to be over with so we can get back to rockin' again.

cliffdweller 03-19-2004 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dissention
Rhiannon- Save your energy for a new song like EFO or RTTG. Rhiannon must be an old hag by now and she needs her rest.

GYOW- The band just goes through the motions on this song.

Now, I love Gold Dust Woman and never would wish it to be gone from a setlist, but I wish they would tone down the theatrics on this one. Do it nice and simple like back in the day. Howl all you want and scream to your hearts content, but stop with the dramatic gestures and facial distortions and cheesy lighting.

Dissention,
I totally agree with you. All three of these songs could totally rock if they would just retool a few things. These are gems that need new life and energy. It's so sad to see good songs grow tired!

GypsySorcerer 03-19-2004 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dissention

The Chain- Yes, I'm a blasphemer. The chain is not together, so stop singing the damn song.


:laugh: :laugh: Too funny, though hearing Mick pound the drums to start the song gets me excited.


Lindsey:
Tusk - without the USC Marching Band, it sucks.
Peacekeeper - Yawn.

Stevie:
Dreams - Eh.
Rhiannon
Gypsy - (though if she puts in the "I still see your bright eyes," it can stay)

Christine:
Say You Love Me - ZZZZZZ
Little Lies - too much happening musically in the original version to do it justice live

dissention 03-19-2004 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cliffdweller
Dissention,
I totally agree with you. All three of these songs could totally rock if they would just retool a few things. These are gems that need new life and energy. It's so sad to see good songs grow tired!

Exactly! :nod:

It's as if the band thinsk they're putting on a Broadway show where everything has to be just right and the same thing every night. Can the dramatics and showy gestures; concentrate on puring your heart into these songs. And if you can't put any more of your heart into these songs because you've done them all to death, go back to your catalog and pick some new stuff to do!

dissention 03-19-2004 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GypsySorcerer
:laugh: :laugh: Too funny, though hearing Mick pound the drums to start the song gets me excited.

Little Lies - too much happening musically in the original version to do it justice live

Mick can keep the drum and segue it into Eyes of the World or something; just can The Chain!

Little Lies live? Ugh. Back when they were rehearsing in Hartford for the first night of The Dance, they worked on it and then they decided it stunk, so they dropped it. :laugh:

EnchantedSLN 03-19-2004 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David
I never need to hear "I Need to Know" again at a Stevie Nicks concert. Nor do I need to hear "Stop Dragging My Heart Around."

I forgot about Stevie's solo shows. I'm a sucker for I Need To Know, but I wish she'd axe SDMHA too. And get rid of the bongo & guitar solos at the beginning of Edge of Seventeen. Just go straight into the song!

Lala 03-19-2004 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by skcin
Gypsy & Dreams are pretty blah live compared to the album versions, IMO.

I'll likely be KILLED for this, but I tend to agree with Stevie that Sara doesn't do well live. On boots, it sounds either really dragging or the tempo is sped up too fast. That's not to say I wouldn't be excited if they did it on the next leg, if only cuz it's become such a rarity, but I'll take the demos or the (extended) album version any day.

Paula

Well...I won't kill you...but I'll just say that I LOVE the song live, studio, demo...whatever. And I would die happy (I would anyways) if they added it to the next leg since I have friggin tickets (I'm more excited...not that you wouldn't be...than some of you FM vets because this will be my first FM concert!)...but we all know they won't since the song is so personal. You gotta love the soloing(sp?) that Lindsey does on the live version from the Tusk doc. It has that "it" factor about it.

Anyways....the only song I can think of that's bad live is Peacekeeper. Now I absolutely love this song...probably more than lots of you...but it just doesn't work live. Lindsey can't sing it and do his guitar stuff.

DownOnRodeo 03-19-2004 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dissention
Little Lies live? Ugh. Back when they were rehearsing in Hartford for the first night of The Dance, they worked on it and then they decided it stunk, so they dropped it. :laugh:
Really??

I've always been curious about the choice of Everywhere as TITN's representative on The Dance. Was there an article about this or was it somehwere else? I'll have a look through the BLA.

dissention 03-19-2004 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
Really??

I've always been curious about the choice of Everywhere as TITN's representative on The Dance. Was there an article about this or was it somehwere else? I'll have a look through the BLA.

I get the Hartford Courant delivered and have the old article here somewhere, maybe I'll be able to dig it up. There was also one where a reporter asked Stevie whether she liked Hartford and she said she didn't know because she doesn't roam the streets of Hartford. :laugh:

DownOnRodeo 03-19-2004 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dissention
There was also one where a reporter asked Stevie whether she liked Hartford and she said she didn't know because she doesn't roam the streets of Hartford. :laugh:
:laugh: I can just imagine how she would say that. It reminds me of what she said at the first Brisbane concert: "Welcome, everyone. We, um, don't really know any of you here in Brisbane, so..yeah. Thank you!" lol or something like that.

I'll have the video of that in digital form eventually. About 25 mins worth of that concert.

dissention 03-19-2004 11:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
:laugh: I can just imagine how she would say that. It reminds me of what she said at the first Brisbane concert: "Welcome, everyone. We, um, don't really know any of you here in Brisbane, so..yeah. Thank you!" lol or something like that.

I'll have the video of that in digital form eventually. About 25 mins worth of that concert.

:laugh: She says some pretty kooky ****. :laugh:

And you can always reward me for admitting my love for Not Make Believe by giving me that video. :laugh:

DownOnRodeo 03-20-2004 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dissention
And you can always reward me for admitting my love for Not Make Believe by giving me that video. :laugh:
Very well - you can get the video ......if you post this in your sig from now on! MuhahahA!!




(j/k.... everyone will be able to see it when it's available!)

face of glass 03-20-2004 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
(j/k.... everyone will be able to see it when it's available!)
Joe, are you going to do it as Bit Torrent then? Then we’d all have to contribute by seeding it on.

To the main topic at hand.

Still having difficulties with all those PG era live releases. :rolleyes:

The only set, the Ultrasound Studios recording that I’ve heard of the Welch era line-up has no weak spots in it, IMO.

1975-82:

”Station Man” – Lindsey and Stevie may have improved it a bit but it’s still too plodding.

“Dreams” – I actually like it live but it’s always been a bit of a disappointment when compared to the studio take.

“Over And Over” – loses some of the good languid qualities of the studio version.

“Hold Me” – didn’t work back then but maybe now it could somehow with some extra musicians.

With Billy & Rick:

“Everywhere” – and even the original is the closest to housewife music FM has ever got to.

“The Chain”, “Isn’t It Midnight”, “Go Your Own Way” – sorry boys, but your parts sound uninvolved to me. They did do a killer “Don’t Let Me Down Again” though.

“World Turning” – from 1987 onwards. Any good playing in the song itself is ruined when Mick the DJ starts his innovative effect revolution. ;)

Post Post-Rumours: ;)

“Over My Head” – sounds totally inoffensive on the Dance.

“Gold Dust Woman” – I agree with Dissention on the theatrics. But if she wanted to do it like in the old days, wouldn’t she have to have a “headful of snow” again? ;)

“Gypsy” – I love the Mirage tour version, this one isn’t up to it.

“Peacekeeper” – in major agreement with the most. And I wasn’t too hot on the studio version in the first place.

Mike B 03-20-2004 10:43 AM

There aren't too many that I actually dislike live; most of them I'm just sick to death of hearing every single time they step foot on the stage. But that is another thread. ;)

From this tour, I agree with everyone about Peacekeeper. I love the studio version but it is lousy live. And I agree about Say You Will. Of all the Stevie songs on SYW, she has to play that as one of her 2 new contributions? Ugh. Bring back Destiny Rules!

I loathe anything that gives Mick the room to do his drum solo, so World Turning and Not That Funny come up on my hit list.

Rhiannon does need to be retired, but I'm going to sit by myself in the "Fan of Dreams Live" train. That song is Fleetwood Mac to me, and I love hearing it everytime. (Even though it has never lived up to the studio version and never will.)

Stevie solo? Good God, woman, get a new encore song other than I Need To Know! I also don't like Enchanted, but I don't really know why.

WelshWitchPMD 03-20-2004 11:25 AM

Stevie:

Gypsy. This song is boring live.

Dreams. She just seems like she is going through the motions on this one. It will never be dropped because it was their biggest hit.

Silver Springs. Sorry I am just sick of this song.

Stand Back. I am kind of mixed on this one. If it was dropped I would not cry.

I wish that she would bring back Sisters of the Moon!!

Lindsey:

Peacekeeper. Does nothing for me.

WTWCT. Not a live fave.

Say Goodbye. Goodbye!

I'd like to see a Lindsey solo song. Maybe Trouble or Holiday Road.

dissention 03-20-2004 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
Very well - you can get the video ......if you post this in your sig from now on! MuhahahA!!




(j/k.... everyone will be able to see it when it's available!)

Consider it done. ;)

I need something fresh anyways. :D

DownOnRodeo 03-20-2004 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by dissention
Consider it done. ;)

I need something fresh anyways. :D

:eek: :eek: :eek:

You're outstanding! :laugh:

But tell me... it doesn't..hurt your self esteem at all? Does it hurt your eveything? :laugh:

Oh wait - now I'm making fun of it. Whoops. :confused: :laugh:

dissention 03-20-2004 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
:eek: :eek: :eek:

You're outstanding! :laugh:

But tell me... it doesn't..hurt your self esteem at all? Does it hurt your eveything? :laugh:

Oh wait - now I'm making fun of it. Whoops. :confused: :laugh:

:laugh:

The lyrics hurt my everythng just a bit. They seem to be stolen from the book of cliches by a thief in the night. I spied that right away.

Oh, we need a parody:

It isn't just that Joe is such a pain
Everywhere he posts now
That blasted song is here to stay
It once hurt my eardrums
It hurt my everything

It is growing (like a smelly fungus)
Ooh, now I've got it playing
Sometimes it sounded lousy
Sometimes it was too-ooh ****ty
But now it's listened to by me
Well, I wanted to claw my face

Then there are the things
That cast the hate away
The things that made me stay
And listen for so long
Was a ****ty song then
But it's not really ****ty now
I abhorred it then
But I adore it now

David 03-20-2004 05:36 PM

They all suck!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by EnchantedSLN
Stevie - Dreams, Rhiannon, Gypsy, Sara, Gold Dust Woman, etc. From 1975-1983, she was pretty good. But these days she is lackluster. I wouldn't pay for a ticket to see her nowadays. The masses of casual fans still like her, though.

Lindsey - He's a mess, basically. His voice is shot, his songwriting is precious in the worst sense of the word, & his guitar playing is overrated. Plus, that shock of flea-ridden hair on his head looks like a Disneyland for the insect world.

Come on, now! They're not that bad! Cut 'em some slack!

EnchantedSLN 03-20-2004 05:40 PM

Re: They all suck!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by David
Come on, now! They're not that bad! Cut 'em some slack!

My favorite Stevie Nicks song is "Friend From Yesterday", because it's so magical, mystical, and enchanting. I'm going to go put on my tophat and platform boots and twirl around my living room to it right now!~~~

David! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Sugar 03-20-2004 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lux
...although the energy is great, I'm no Stand Back fan.

Actually this reminds me...what is the deal with this staying in the FLEETWOOD MAC setlist? Was it almost a FM song or something? I could see it if Lindsey was still doing "Go Insane", but whay is this solo song in the group lineup? I know a lot of people dig this song but it always kind of bugs me when I hear that opening keyboard.

estranged4life 03-20-2004 08:10 PM

Any that...
 
have been overplayed on the past 2 tours...And it's not hard to figure out which songs I'm talking about.

Brian j.

diamondsnake 03-20-2004 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dissention
tone down the theatrics
The theatrics? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

diamondsnake 03-20-2004 09:15 PM

I love Dreams Live! I like Stevie's vocals on it nowadays! However, I wouldn't much care if they dropped Rhiannon- from the one concert I went to this tour, I can't even remember it, so it couldn't have been that hot.

The songs from this tour that can not leave the setlist are The Chain, Stand Back, Beautiful Child, Go Your Own Way, Tusk, Say You Will, and Goodbye Baby. Those are the songs I distinctly remember loving! It is all such a blurr now though.

dissention 03-20-2004 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by diamondsnake
The theatrics? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Damn skippy.

the·at·rics - noun

(used with a pl. verb) Theatrical effects or mannerisms; histrionics.

dissention 03-20-2004 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DownOnRodeo
Very well - you can get the video ......if you post this in your sig from now on! MuhahahA!!

You know, it looks as if it says I eat Not Make Believe. I think I'd get a bad case of indigestion.


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