FLEETWOOD MAC fans for KERRY
 

Aside from picking up fresh copies of remastered Tusk cd's and getting the best seats we can for the upcoming outdoor summer tour, the other great thing most of us will get a chance to do is vote in a primary. And all of us (U.S. fans) will get to vote in November.

In Iowa and New Hampshire a record number of voters turned out to vote this year. The November election is predicted to be one of the biggest turnouts in U.S. history. Many feel it is because of an uprising against the Bush administration.
Please join Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks and show your support for the Democrats on your state's primary day.

It's been a long hard ride the past 3 years and I think we've all had enough. Let's work together and rid our great country of this pathetic abysmal president.

I'm supporting John Kerry and hope you'll give him some serious consideration as well. I think he will beat George W. Bush with a powerful mandate in November.

Re: FLEETWOOD MAC fans for KERRY
 

I will be supporting the Democratic nominee for president.
:)
I am thrilled to hear that Lindsey and Stevie are supporting the Democrats as well.

Hmmm.... I'd like to see some official statement from the band to show they are supporting Kerry. Otherwise this is just hearsay.

I will not vote for Kerry in my primary because

--He voted for the Iraq resolution
--He voted for No Child Left Behind
--He voted for the Patriot Act

While voters in Iowa and New Hampshire who were against the war somehow were able to compartmentalize this, this voter isn't.

Kerry has had my support since he ran for Senate and I've been supporting him since he decided to campaign for president, but where did you hear that Stevie and Lindsey endorsed him? I can imagine Lindsey endorsing him, but not Stevie (even though she seems to be a lefty).

Was it in the news?

:)

I'm with Chris-- I will be supporting whomever the Democrats nominate. But I'm also with Carne in that I'd like to see where you found the info that the band is supporting Kerry specifically. Otherwise, maybe this belongs on the Chit Chat board?

I looked on several news sites and the only endorsements from musicians that I found were from Carole King and Tom Petty.

I'm totally for Kerry in this election, but I can't vote for another several years so I'll be cheering along anyways.

Shamus:)

Sorry Remasters of Tusk and rumours and the the upcoming Concert tour, Outwigh the stupid primarys and elections by a umm "Landslide":laugh: Anyways I'm with Stevie in being apolitical and not caring. I guess I'm leaning tords Bush only because he's our current President and why change leaders in the middle of trying to hunt down terrorists. And this should be in the CHOT CHAT forum.

you can't be one half of a duo with Lindsey Buckingham and be apolitical.
you can't be a close friend of Sheryl Crow and Tom Petty and Don Henley and be apolitical.

Stevie mentioned publically last year that Fleetwood Mac isn't a political band for fear of getting Dixie Chicked.

You know that when she walked out on that stage for Bill Clinton in 92 and then played for him again before he left the White House that there's not an apolitical bone in her body.

her wild heart has always been in the right place - comfortably on the left - hugging the shore of the Palisades in southern California

John Kerry's voting record should always be noted. But remember, he has the skills to debate Bush into the fetal position any day of the week. He served this country in the military. Bush went AWOL in 73 and then went on to be a closeted cocaine addict.
Let's vote for electibility and be sure that our bigoted racist misogynist president is out the door in January.

ok - one more mention and then I'll stick to the music.

my family lost 4 friends in the World Trade Center attacks - including someone I went to high school with.

the way the Bush Administration has attempted to co-opt this tragedy is sickening. The families that I know - those four - are disgusted with him and how he used their own tragedies for his political gain. They feel betrayed. They are all conservative families. Even if I was a Republican, I would never vote for Bush for that reason alone. New Yorkers are disgusted with him - he has never had an inkling of respect for that city until he saw it as a means to propell his platformless agenda into the limelight. What a coward and what a fraud. The man is a despicable alcoholic power monger. He deserves to spend the rest of his days in Crawford Texas.

personally, I will not vote for the President based on the recommendations of my two favorite musicians regardless of whether they pubically or privately endorse a candidate.

It's my right to vote, so I will think and choose based on my own personal beliefs and needs...Stevie and Lindsey have their own hands to pull the lever in November.

Please Do Not Vote For Your President or any other elected official based on any other person's opinion without using your own brain first.... :nod:

But Stevie in a friendly way dissed Clinton by calling him too young on Letterman in 1994. :shrug: I think she wisely never comments on politics and sticks to the music. Personally, I wish more people did :cool: I mean who cares what Toby Keith or Babs has to say. I certainly do not, esp. when they are no more or less qualified than I am to make that opinion.

BTW - this topic and just about every other political topic you can imagine are raging on the Chit Chat board. :nod: Jump right in as you and Dissention apparently think alike and I am currently and as usual defeating Dissention with my stunning acumen :cool: (Note: I am just joking Dissention)

Re: FLEETWOOD MAC fans for KERRY
 

No Thanks.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion, but yikes... that line of thinking is kind of scary.
The man has been ineffectual (or worse) in all other areas of his presidency, so I don't think his "War On Terrorism" should be the deciding factor on voting for him.

As it is, the only "terrorist" he's managed to capture is one who wasn't even a pressing threat to our country. While the true threat is still free, and his cronies are still making plans to terrorize the USA. Coming up on three years since 9/11.

And don't get me started on things like the "Defense of Marriage Act" where he's trying to tell the people of this country how to live their lives (when we all know what a morally upstanding person he's been).

At any rate, this does belong on the Chit-Chat Forum.
I'm not the moderator of this particular forum though, so i can't move it... but from now on, please limit political conversations that only have a tenuous Mac-connection to Chit-Chat. :)

Thanks!

Okay I am starting a thread as we speak about this in the Chit Chat Forum - You and me Stew - now :laugh:

You must be kidding...
 

I typically don't post on message boards, I simply enjoy reading what fans are talking about, but I couldn't not put my 2 cents in...

If I were Lindsey or Stevie I would be livid right now. Dontlookdown has no information that says Lindsey or Stevie support ANY candidate. I know for a fact that neither of them have made any statement or comment regarding the election, and certainly not a statement supporting any particular candidate. Dontlookdown is using their names. Simple as that.

Dontlookdown is spotlighting what's really disgusting about politics...

There are 2000 people on this message board, and the majority of them most likely adore Lindsey and Stevie. Dontlookdown supports Kerry, which is all fine and good, but to blatantly lie, to make a comment that is meant to make people believe that Lindsey and Stevie specifically support Kerry, in order to gain a few uneducated votes, makes me ill.

Dontlookdown is hoping to find people on this message board who would vote to put someone in office solely based on the fact that Lindsey and Stevie think you should.
Which is a lie. But even if it were so, I'm pleased to see that people on The Ledge are informed and intelligent enough to vote based on politics, and not on what their favorite musicians do and say.

Fleetwood Mac performed for Clinton, true. But it wasn't a Democrat issue, it was an American issue. There's nothing wrong with discussing and speculating who people like Lindsey and Stevie support, but dontlookdown should keep his/her "facts" to his/herself and quit trying to persuade people with false information.

There's my 2 cents.

I simply stated that I was supporting Kerry and encouraged others to look into his campaign.

I also simply stated that Buckingham and Nicks are supporting the Democrats. I did not say that they were supporting Kerry. I titled my post Fleetwood Mac fans for Kerry.

Please read carefully before you react and make blanket statements Mr. mhxx77. You're behaving like a Republican!

Since I was a kid, Fleetwood Mac, Linda Ronstadt, The Eagles, Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, Warren Zevon, Jackson Browne, the Grateful Dead, Bruce Springsteen and tons of other great bands have been active in Democratic political events locally here in Southern California.
If that makes you angry and you want to remain in denial about it and about our country - then do so. You've got the whole right wing of this country basking in denial so you won't be alone....

What does this word mean?

Christopher, "apolitical" means that someone has no interest in, or opinion on, politics. :)

Then that would be me. I don't have the slightest idea what the difference is between a republican or a democrat. :laugh:

If you're old enough to vote and don't want to get drafted in the next couple of years, you might want to find out.:)

In some ways that's a good thing... because many people use political opinions to marginalize folks into "us vs. them."

At the same time though, it is good to be at least somewhat informed about what's going on in the political world, as these things will affect your future. :)

But for now, just enjoy being a teenager... then when you're old enough to vote, start paying more attention to politics. Even if it's just enough to form an opinion. :)

At one point Fleetwood Mac did a fundraiser for Birch Bayh in the late 70's. It might have been when he was running for the Democaratic nomination in '76.:)

Well I will be old enough to vote in a few years... would someone mind enlightening me on what the difference is between democrats and republicans. I was overexagerating a little. I know a couple of differences, but would someone mind explaining?

And why would I get drafted? Are we going to war or something? And since I don't beleive in violence, do "they" really have the right to force me to fight in a war?

Re: FLEETWOOD MAC fans for KERRY
 

This seems a pretty bogus way to attract voters to Kerry or the Democratic party. It's obvious from this statement you're hoping some naive Fleetwood Mac fans would be convinced to vote Democratic because their heros do. Or was this simply a feeble attempt to excuse putting forward your political views in the Fleetwood Mac forum instead of Chit Chat where it belongs? Regardless, why not let THEM declare themselves affilated with a party instead of doing it for them?

And I agree with Sharon. Vote for whom you believe is the best candidate, not for whomever someone tells you Stevie and Lindsey would vote for.

Wait a minute, elaborate more on this drafted thing. I thought that was gone since like after vietnom. It's not being used now. And which party wants a draft. This is news to me.

It's great that you want to know more, but I advise going to the Chit Chat forum to ask your questions. I'm sure you'll get plenty of answers. :)

I agree, how did this whole drafted thing come up? I haven't heard anything about this...

Good Lord, don't I know the pain of that. I've gotten so interested in this election, almost obsessively. Unfortunately, I won't turn eighteen until December 19th! I'm going to cry...

Note: Shouldn't this be on the Chit Chat board?

To actually answer the question of the topic. KERRY ROCKS!!!

At one point Fleetwood Mac did a fundraiser for Birch Bayh in the late 70's.[/QUOTE]
Was this the Indianapolis Tusk Tour stop? That was my first FM show. I seem to recall the ticket (possibly) saying something about Birch Bayh. I've got the stub somewhere (would take hours to find). I remember that I was sick as a dog, but INSISTED to my Mom that I HAD to go.

what is this, c-span?

Start with this article. I'd also advise getting your news from a variety of sources and see which candidates and parties appeal to you.

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,...20761,00.html#

Army chief planning large U.S. force in Iraq through 2006
By Robert Burns
The Associated Press


AP / Evan Vucci
Army Chief of Staff Gen. Peter Schoomaker testifies today on Capitol Hill before the House Armed Services Committee hearing on military preparedness.





WASHINGTON - The Army's top general said today he is making plans based on the possibility that the Army will be required to keep tens of thousands of soldiers in Iraq through 2006.

Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker, the Army chief of staff, told the House Armed Services Committee that "for planning purposes" he has ordered his staff to consider how the Army would replace the force that is now rotating into Iraq with another force of similar size in 2005 - and again in 2006.

Stretched by commitments in Iraq, Afghanistan, South Korea and the Balkans, the Army has used emergency authority to go beyond the limit set by Congress on the number of soldiers who can be in uniform, Schoomaker said.

He said the Army now is about 11,000 soldiers above the 482,400 limit and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld has authorized the service to temporarily exceed the limit by as much as 30,000.

The decision about when to end the U.S. military presence in Iraq will be made by President Bush and his national security aides, in consultation with American commanders in Iraq. As a service chief, Schoomaker's role is to ensure that soldiers are trained and equipped for any mission the president requires.

Of the 105,000 troops going to Iraq this winter and spring to replace the 130,000 who have been there since the start of the war, about 80,000 are Army soldiers. The replacement force, which includes 25,000 Marines, is scheduled to spend a full year in Iraq.

Army officials have said that planning for the 2005 rotation of forces into Iraq will begin in February.

Schoomaker said he was opposed to Congress passing legislation to permanently expand the size of the Army, mainly because it would be too costly.

"I'm adamant that that is not the way to go," the Army chief said.

Even while the Iraq war continues, the Pentagon is planning a new offensive in the two-year-old Afghanistan campaign to try to stop remnants of the Taliban regime and the al-Qaeda terrorist network, officials said today.

Orders have been issued to prepare equipment and supplies, though the operation will not necessarily require additional troops in the region, where about 11,000 Americans are still deployed, a defense official said on condition of anonymity.

Schoomaker said the Army is enjoying success in recruiting new soldiers.

"There are more people lining up to come in than we've ever had, and the quality of those people is higher than it's ever been, and there's no indication right now that that's not going to continue," he said.

Members of the House panel expressed surprise that Rumsfeld had agreed that the Army needed as many as 30,000 more soldiers, since he has publicly opposed a legislative move to expand the service.

Rep. Ellen O. Tauscher, D-Calif., said it sounded as if Rumsfeld was accomplishing through the use of his own executive powers the troop increase that he had resisted on Capitol Hill.

Rep. Ike Skelton, D-Mo., the ranking Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, said he was concerned that the requirement for large numbers of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan may break the Army.

"This does not mean we should pull back from our commitments," Skelton said. "We can't unring the bell. We're there. We've got to win. We've got to stabilize that country," he said of Iraq. "We cannot afford that to evolve into a civil war."

Dontlookdown... maybe I talked too much in my last post, so I'll try and keep this one simple...

"Please join Lindsey Buckingham and Stevie Nicks and show your support for the Democrats on your state's primary day."

You're trying to tell me that you weren't insinuating that Lindsey and Stevie support Democrats, therefore supporting Kerry? Bull.

And I find it laugh out loud funny that from my post you somehow believe that I am "acting" like a republican. I hate to break it to you but politics are a bit more complicated than that. And a republican I am not. You should want your candidate to win because the majority elected him, not because people like you have wrangled votes.

Urge people to get educated, urge people to get out there and vote. But don't try and sway people.

I simply think that your attempt to gain votes for your candidate is sad and wrong. It's called an opinion, something that everyone should be able to formulate themselves...without your help. And I certainly don't think a FM message board is the place to discuss politics, so I'll end this conversation here.

How does this article relate to "being drafted"? I read the whole thing, but didn't see anything specificly saying they were going to draft people.

Sometimes you have to read between the lines. Here's one that's a little clearer and BTW, I have also posted others in the Chit Chat Forum.

http://www.ljworld.com/section/state...l/story/151198

Selective Service notice spurs worry about draft
By Scott Rothschild, Journal-World

Friday, November 7, 2003

Federal officials are trying to fill selective service boards across the country, but they denied Thursday that the effort was a prelude to reviving the draft.

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But with the nation at war and American forces spread thin, questions about the possibility of re-establishing the draft are increasing.

"I don't think you ever want to see the draft reinstated," said Bryan Young, a Wichita junior at Kansas University. "But if the draft was necessary to achieve what President Bush thought was needed, I would say it's my duty as a citizen to honor that commitment."

The draft ended in 1973 amid controversy during the Vietnam War. Critics said the poor and minorities were disproportionately conscripted, while young people from middle- and high-income families were granted college deferments or other excuses that kept them out of the armed services.

This week, rumors about reinstating the draft leaped to the forefront after a U.S. Department of Defense Web site sought applicants for local draft boards.

The headline on the posting read: "Serve Your Community and the Nation. Become a Selective Service System Local Board Member."

A spokesman for the Defense Department who declined to identify himself said the posting was taken down after several people called expressing concern.

Officials with the Selective Service System, a civilian agency that registers young men in case a draft were re-established, denied that the posting on the Defense Department Web site represented a new effort to reinstate the draft.

"This not even remotely resembles efforts to kick it up a notch," said Dan Amon, a public affairs specialist for the Selective Service System.

He said the Selective Service routinely sought applicants to fill 11,000 slots on local draft boards nationwide to be ready if the draft ever were reinstated. The terms on these voluntary boards are for 20 years, and many are now expiring, he said.

"We're just going through a cycle," he said. He said when the information was posted on the Defense Department Web site, it raised some alarms. "We're not even quite sure how it got there," he said.

A draft could only be authorized by the president and Congress. Under that scenario, the local draft boards would decide which draft-age men would receive deferments, postponements or exemptions from military service.

During most of the Vietnam War, if a college student could show progress in his studies, he was excused from military service. If a draft were instituted now, a college student's induction into the military could be delayed only until the end of the current semester.

Some have argued that the draft should be reinstated.

U.S. Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., has said that the all-volunteer force is largely made up of the nation's underclass. Others have said that the nation had an aggressive foreign policy because few in Congress or the Bush administration had military experience.

Young, the KU student, said he would be disappointed if the draft came because it would mean the nation faced an emergency.

"I would feel disappointed only to the extent that it was war, and war is unfortunate. I wouldn't feel disappointed to discontinue my college career," he said.

I do get to vote next week in the SC primary. But I'm not thrilled with Kerry. As someone said earlier, I'm very unhappy that he voted for the war in Iraq, the Patriot Act, and NCLB. If the repugs were so successful in painting Gore with the liberal Democratic brush, they'll have a field day with Kerry. All they'll have to do is mention his close friendship with Ted Kennedy down here in the South and Kerry is toast. And you can't win the White House without winning a few key Southern states. Don't get me wrong--I think Ted Kennedy has made some brilliant speeches and has done a fine job trying to hold the Republican feet to the fire. Not that any of it seems to be doing any good. Where is the media at these days? Oh, I know--too busy kissing Bush butt. If Bill Clinton would have done 1/100 of the crap that Bush has done, he would have been hung from the top of the Washington Monument. I'm still confused on the whole, "It's wrong to lie about sex thing, but it's okay to lie about WMD." Anyway, if Kerry ends up the nominee, I'll vote early and often--anything it takes to make sure that we give Mr. Bush a one-way ticket back Crawford, Texas.

Stevie did do the Artists' Rights concert and I think she also went to Sacramento along with Don Henley and others to promote some bill about artists' record contracts or something like that. I can't remember. But anyway that was political.

Coming from a boy in his late teens, this is scary stuff. So what side supports this draft idea? The republicans? Also, is it true that the democrats don't beleive in war?

I would suggest checking out cnn.com and just reading about politics and what's going on. After doing that, you'll be able to form your own opinions. There are also links to all of the candidates web pages there and those have their postions on the war.