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Lala 01-18-2004 05:34 PM

Seven Wonders...Sara????
 
Is she saying Sara between the chorus and the second verse and again between the chorus and the third verse(?...i think that's where it is)???

She says something and from the first time I heard it I thought it might be Sara. After all it is my name. Anyways...thanks for any answers. I'm preparing myself to feel dumb when someone replies..."Well, actually she's saying ______"

The Chain 01-18-2004 05:36 PM

Don't get people started on this:laugh: :laugh:

Some think she says "pharoh", which I have to go with, considering, it's about the "Seven Wonders", ...but that's just my oppinion:D

Nixxxed 01-18-2004 05:49 PM

I've always thought she was saying "Tara", as in Scarlett O'Hara's mansion in Gone With The Wind -- especially since she references Scarlett in "Welcome to the Room ... Sara."

If I'm remembering correctly, there was some mention of this connection in one of the reviews of TITN at the time (maybe Rolling Stone???). It was fairly negative as I recall -- something to the likes of making fun of Stevie's GWTW fantasies. Let's not forget the original/unreleased "Stand Back" video...

xdreamsunwindx 01-18-2004 06:54 PM

I always thought she was saying Sara... On my karaoke machine it says "Seven" (the graphics say seven), but those aren't always accurate.

strandinthewind 01-18-2004 06:55 PM

I always thought it was "Ever - Ever." I do not think it is Pharoh because I do not hear that shound(s). It could be Tara, but again, I just hear "Ever." One more ? to pin her down on in my interview :laugh:

dissention 01-18-2004 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by strandinthewind
I do not hear that shound(s).
I don't hear shounds, either. The H must be silent, eh?

:laugh: :wavey:

strandinthewind 01-18-2004 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by dissention
I don't hear shounds, either. The H must be silent, eh?

:laugh: :wavey:

Oops - :eek: :laugh: :wavey:

The Catdancer 01-18-2004 07:14 PM

She sings Erin who was/is a friend of Sandy Stewart (she wrote Seven Wonders)

Debbie

strandinthewind 01-18-2004 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Catdancer
She sings Erin who was/is a friend of Sandy Stewart (she wrote Seven Wonders)

Debbie

Wow - I never heard about that reference. Did Stevie or someone else say that? Otherwise how did you figure that out - I certainly never would have :laugh:

ryan8472 01-18-2004 07:29 PM

I'm listening to Seven Wonders right now. It sounds like"Tara" to me (which is what I always assumed it was).

gldstwmn 01-18-2004 08:15 PM

I always thought she was saying Sara.

Nicks Fan 01-18-2004 08:41 PM

I too thought she was saying Sara but lately it has sounded more like Pharoh to me. If I ever meet her I will ask her that.

Matt :)

ShamHy89 01-18-2004 08:45 PM

OK, you know you're a Stevie fan when...you're debating a lyric in one of her songs and the possiblilities range from "Erin" to "Pharoh!" :laugh:

Shamus:)

sodascouts 01-18-2004 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nixxxed
I've always thought she was saying "Tara", as in Scarlett O'Hara's mansion in Gone With The Wind -- especially since she references Scarlett in "Welcome to the Room ... Sara."

I agree - I've always heard "Tara."

DownOnRodeo 01-18-2004 09:46 PM

I twisted my brain into knots over this one (hmm lovely imagery there) but think I ended up deciding that she sings different things. Sometimes its 'Never' and sometimes its 'Tara' or 'Sara' or what sounds like 'Pharoah'.

blinker12 01-19-2004 01:07 AM

I vote "Tara."
Given the fact that she sings that word earlier in the lyrics ("It's not home, and it's not Tara"), it makes the most logical sense to me ... Not that Stevie's ever been accused of being logical! :laugh:

SmthngOfADreamr 01-19-2004 01:32 AM

I used to think Tara, but I think it's a classic case of Stevie mumbling, and the lyric was meant to be "never." She's repeating the word from the previous line, as in "I'll NEVER live to match the beauty again." But this is just one of those things that we'll "never" know.

jmn3 01-19-2004 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by blinker12
I vote "Tara."
Given the fact that she sings that word earlier in the lyrics ("It's not home, and it's not Tara"), it makes the most logical sense to me ... Not that Stevie's ever been accused of being logical! :laugh:

Now you're just trying to confuse me altogether!! :laugh:
That's a different song....Welcome to the Room, Sara...not Seven Wonders..

I always heard Never...but who knows with Stevie...esp. in those days, her voice wasn't exactly in tip top shape

diamondsnake 01-19-2004 02:39 AM

We could debate this for days, but I have always heard Tara...

Speaking of which, did we ever come to an agreement on if it was nag champa or nag champra?

paleshadow 01-19-2004 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jmn3
Now you're just trying to confuse me altogether!! :laugh:
That's a different song....Welcome to the Room, Sara...not Seven Wonders..

I always heard Never...but who knows with Stevie...esp. in those days, her voice wasn't exactly in tip top shape

"never" seems to be the logical way to go. The previous line is "I'll NEVER live to match the beauty again... The rainbows end" So I think it's "never" or a combo of "never" and "ever" like someone mentioned earlier. It sounds like she's singing it "nevahhhh.... evahhhhhh" to me. I don't hear the word "Pharoh" at all, and even though the song is called "Seven Wonders" she never mentions any of them specifically, so why would she sing "Pharoh"? Just because Pharoh's were laid to rest in Pyramids, and a Pyramid is one of the seven wonders? That's kinda stretching it. Plus it just sounds goofy when you sing it that way. True, it is Stevie, so anything is possible. (Though I will go on record as saying if it's "Erin" I'll eat a bug).

:laugh:

DeadliestPoison 01-19-2004 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by diamondsnake
Speaking of which, did we ever come to an agreement on if it was nag champa or nag champra?
The insence is called Nag Champa, but for whatever reason Stevie says Nag Champra. Which irks me.

As for Seven Wonders, I always figured it was Sara.

Mad4stevie 01-19-2004 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by paleshadow
"never" seems to be the logical way to go. The previous line is "I'll NEVER live to match the beauty again... The rainbows end" So I think it's "never" or a combo of "never" and "ever" like someone mentioned earlier. It sounds like she's singing it "nevahhhh.... evahhhhhh" to me.
I agree. Sounds like nevahhh to me. I don't hear pharaoh at all.

I have even listened to all my alternate versions/outtakes to see if any of them are clearer. The answer? :distress:

Mad4stevie 01-19-2004 08:48 PM

I think I like the vocals for the alt. version better, anyway.

Siri Ruane 01-19-2004 09:08 PM

Once I thought it was "hello" but then corrected myself that that made no sense, and since my name is Sara, I kinda stuck with that. But now that you mention it, it does sound like Tara. It kinda makes sense too... same album as Welcome To The Room Sara (another Sara song! This band loves me) which definetly has a lot of Gone With The Wind references in it. :laugh:

jmn3 01-19-2004 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeadliestPoison
The insence is called Nag Champa, but for whatever reason Stevie says Nag Champra. Which irks me.
Yes but we must remember, this is the same person who brought to us the word "drownding..."

Sorcerer386 01-19-2004 11:09 PM

I believe it was resolved that there is Nag ChampRa also...

coldplay 01-19-2004 11:40 PM

I've always thought it was Tara as well.

Since we're on the subject - does anyone know what the reference to Emmiline is?

diamondsnake 01-19-2004 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jmn3
Yes but we must remember, this is the same person who brought to us the word "drownding..."
What song is that from? Sara?

ricohv 01-20-2004 02:17 AM

Emmiline is the name of a town in a Taylor Caldwell book. Many years ago I read about Stevie saying Caldwelll was one of her favorite authors. Stevie mistakenly heard the lyrics from Sandy's demo as "Emmiline" when it was actually "tow the line" or something like that. I can't remember where I read that but I know I did-somewhere! I think Emmilie is in Ceremony of the Innocent,which is quoted at the beginning of an old Rolling Stone interview w/ Stevie around Bella Donna time. The interview starts out w/ the quote that says something like:"she would rock on the wide open porches...."

ALso, Stevie is saying "Tara"...this thread has came up a few times before . One time I dug and dug until I found the interview where Stevie says it is Tara-I think I found it under articles at The Nicksfix...maybe!...sorry, I don't have time to do it right now but she is quoted somewhere saying that. Of course that doesn't mean she couldn't be quoted somewhere else saying it was something else-you know Stevie!
Ricoh

Johnny Stew 01-20-2004 03:35 AM

I've always been well and truly convinced that she's singing, "Tara." :nod:

blinker12 01-20-2004 05:35 AM

Quote:

Now you're just trying to confuse me altogether!! That's a different song....Welcome to the Room, Sara...not Seven Wonders..
Yikes, you're right! Sorry about that...
*hangs head in shame* :)

David 01-20-2004 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Chain
Some think she says "pharoh", which I have to go with, considering, it's about the "Seven Wonders", ...but that's just my oppinion:D
I dunno. "Pharaoh" seems a bit of a stretch. Why would Stevie utter such a word in the middle of her song? especially since only one of the ancient seven wonders was directly related to a pharaoh (the Great Pyramid of Giza) & one was only marginally related to a pharaoh (the Alexandria Lighthouse). The other five wonders had nothing to do with Egypt or Egyptian rulers. Stevie might just as well have uttered "Greco" or "Persian" or even "Nebuchadnezzar."

In fact, I think she should have said "Nebuchadnezzar"!

SaraRhiannon 01-20-2004 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by David
The other five wonders had nothing to do with Egypt or Egyptian rulers. Stevie might just as well have uttered "Greco" or "Persian" or even "Nebuchadnezzar."


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

EveryHour 01-24-2004 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jmn3
Yes but we must remember, this is the same person who brought to us the word "drownding..."
I do not believe this is an uncommon mispronunciation...I've definitely heard other people do it. Everyone has some weird speech thing or another. And Stevie doesn't even do it every time she says it. It might be something she has to concentrate on to say "properly", so if she's caught up in song or whatever, it just comes out that way. (My dad, for instance, says "chimley" instead of "chimney" if he doesn't stop and think first.)
As far as the "Nag Champ'r'a" debate goes, I know it's been discussed it was perhaps a copyright issue. I really have to agree with that. I don't know there to be a seperate product with the 'r' in, and the fact that the lyrics are actually printed with with the 'r' in really brings up the question of copyright. As opposed to "drown'd'ing", which was (obviously) printed without the 'd' but just came out that way when she sang it. This to me proves that she intentionally sang "Nag Champ'r'a". Not to say it didn't take some getting used to, especially when I'm a long-time fan of the stuff.:)

EveryHour 01-24-2004 11:59 PM

...As for what she sings in Seven Wonders, I go back and forth between many of the words mentioned here every time I listen to it! Just when I think I'm convinced I know for sure, I change my mind! I seem to remember Stevie mentioning feeling suddenly and inexplicably compelled to sing "Sara" in the song in the book Rock Lives by Timothy White. Perhaps I'm hallucinating...I read it years ago. I'll investigate over the next couple days (if someone doesn't beat me to it;) ) and report back.:)

blackdove 01-26-2004 08:17 AM

For me it's 'Tara', always has been !!

Love Sarah

golden braid 01-26-2004 12:29 PM

I think she says Tara too.

wondergirl9847 01-26-2004 12:36 PM

Talking about mispronounciation...
 
My dad pronounces La Quinta...La Qwinta. :rolleyes:

:lol:

Has anyone ever asked Stevie over at NicksFix what she's saying? Or perhaps, I could ask her at the Fan Club, but that's a long shot at getting answered.

shackin'up 01-26-2004 01:44 PM

Well,
I've listened to this and I am convinced.
She's singing ARWAH.
Why?:

1. Why not?
2. Because she knows we are out there.
3. She likes to puzzle her public.
4. Because she was on Klonopkin, Coke or hasj or a combination of it.

On klonopkin I hear Tara, on coke sara on hasj Pharao.

but I still want to know what's the story behind " Erin"

Come on Debbie!

gerald

David R 01-27-2004 05:03 AM

I really think she is saying "hello"... it sure sounds like it. I always thought it was hello.


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