Fleetwood Mac on Dick Clark's *Primetime* New Year's Rockin' Eve
 

From Musicstation.com....


Dick Clark's Primetime New Year's Rockin' Eve
(ABC) American Broadcasting Corporation
Wednesday - December 31, 2003
10:00 pm - 11:00 pm ET

Featured Artists:
Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, Fleetwood Mac, Kiss, Avril Lavigne, Tim McGraw

Dick Clark reports "live" on the festivities in Times Square, New York. Joining him will be correspondents Steve Doocy from "Fox & Friends" and Mario Lopez, who will report on other happenings around New York City. Clark will also introduce highlight performances from some of this past year's most successful tours, including Aerosmith, Bon Jovi, Fleetwood Mac, KISS, Avril Lavigne and Tim McGraw.

Please let them play Thrown Down oh please please please!

That would be awesome, but more then likely we're in for another painful performance of Peacekeeper... :(

Dream on, silly dreamer...:(

It's another half-baked rendition of that song we're all sick of...Peacekeeper. :rolleyes: I probably won't even tune in.

Since they did "Peacekeeper" on the AMAs, I think (and hope!) they'd do "Say You Will" on this broadcast.

The site is saying the show will feature "highlights" of the year's biggest tours, so I'm also assuming this will not be a new performance, but a pre-filmed one.

Some European fans have said they've seen a live video for "Say You Will," that seems to have been filmed at the same time as the "Peacekeeper" video that aired on VH1 earlier this year... so maybe we'll just be seeing that.

I'll take bets again: Peacekeeper.

I'm rooting for SYW, because it plays better live, but.... I'm pretty sure it'll be Peacekeeper again.

I hope it is Say You Will because Stevie rules! Lindsey's Peacekeeper is bad! I prefered Ashanti's Rain On Me at the AMAs or even Britney Spears's In the Zone performance that night. Sorry to Say...

But I would settle for Say You Will! Even though I am hoping for Thrown Down, which would make sense since it is the new single and Peacekeeper was a single from almost a year ago!

New Year's
 

Thank you for the news Johnny Stew.
They are so predictable, so you'd figure they WOULD do
"Peacekeeper".
However, in light of the fact that it IS New Year's Eve, they
might surpise us, and pull "Say You Will" out of
the hat since the subject matter is lighter.

Re: New Year's
 

Good thinking Celestinadia! :nod:

I was thinkin they might show an old song this time...Go Your Own Way...or The Chain


Chris

I'm going to guess they show SYW from an earlier show (maybe in Boston since they were filming then) because it's just "cuter" on stage, with Stevie's dancing and the little dance they do during the solo. But I won't be surprised if we see "Peacekeeper" again. Oh well, I'm sure I'll just be off somewhere partying anyway. :laugh:

I will be in NYC for NYE. Hopefully, hey will be there!!!!!!! Am I going to have to have cocktils at "Stevie's Waldorf" just to make sure :laugh:

I certainly hope they do not play PK. It is a snore and they sound bad. I think they should play something rockin' like Second Hand News, Eyes, etc. But, I am a dreamer.

Taste is a matter of taste. But from a musical and lyrical standpoint, Peacekeeper blows Say You Will away. Hands down. As for the other comparisons, I don't even know what they are...

Well, SYW is a happy song and PK is not. Having said that, I would put her use of the phrase "fever dance" to describe immediate love up against anything in the sardonic PK. But, everyone likes different things and I like them both, just not PK live :laugh:

In truth, PK live has fallen flat. But I wasn't terribly impressed with the live versions of SYW I've heard. Musically, PK is far more interesting. At least to my ear.

PK, esp. the first version with LB only, was one of the most musically superior things to me on SYW. I think he should do Murrow like he did at the PBS Sounstage thing. The song is perfect for La Nicks to chime in. But, I am afraid their performance will be rote, but at least we get to see them. :cool:

On a somewhat different note, am I the only one that thinks that Stevie is drowned out during the chorus of Say You Will (live versions from the tour, at least)? Whenever I listen to a bootleg of this song from the tour I can hear nothing but a couple of annoying backup singers and Stevie's voice is so faint. Is it supposed to be like this? I don't understand why they wouldn't want her to sing this part though.

Thrown Down will never happen. Deep down, I think we all know that. I really don't care to hear another live rendition of Peacekeeper, and I think they gave up on Say You Will. So, I think they should pull out a nostalgic oldie for New Year's Eve. I vote for anything except Dreams, Rhiannon, Big Love or Landslide.

I am pretty sure it was her choice to sing the power part because on the sniglets of video we saw on the fanclub site before the record was released, Stevie was telling LB he had to sing the high parts.

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Originally posted by CarneVaca
Taste is a matter of taste. But from a musical and lyrical standpoint, Peacekeeper blows Say You Will away. Hands down. As for the other comparisons, I don't even know what they are...


If "Taste is a matter of taste," then practice what you preach. I love both songs. I don't think one blows the other away. It's like comparing apples and oranges...like saying "Everybody finds out" blows "Steal Your heart away" out of the water or comparing "Miranda" to "thrown Down." It's all a matter of opinion.

A Rockin' New Years Eve!!!
 

:wavey: Ohhh Plllease! Feel the Fever...COME!
or Second Hand News!Not sad Pk.! Sky;)

I do practice what I preach. I said taste is a matter of taste, then I discussed the musicality angle. Like it or not, Peacekeeper musically is superior to Say You Will. And in fact, just about every Lindsey song in SYW is superior to Stevie's stuff. See, he actually is striking more than two notes vocally and coming up with some fairly compelling melodies.

If your thing is drone-like trance vocals a la Illume and Say You Will, that is a matter of taste. But that does not musically a better song make.

Sigh....
 

Oh how I missed you Carne. :D

I like PK better of the two, but dang her for writing that catchy chorus!!! :mad:

LOL

Carne - I agree Stevie's voice is limited by its own nature (perhaps self-imposed) in Illume. In fact and although I like the song, I will never get why she chose to sing it like that, when IMO she could have and should have branched out a little more. I think it would have made the IMO beautiful imagery of the song more compelling.

But, I submit the vocal on "Smile at You" is the superior vocal on the record from an academic standpoint (I am not discussing the relevance or quality of the song). In it, she goes into two octaves and nails it. Thrown Down probably is the second. Her voice literally floats in most of that song.

Nothing LB does on SYW approaches that vocally. Rather, LB's vocals are mostly heavily produced in that he likes to distort the human voice with a filter, etc. Not that there is anything wrong with that, in fact he is very clever and effective at doing it, esp. considering singing, although he certainly can sing, is not his strongest suit (no slam - even he admits Stevie's got a great voice). In fact, my only problem with that process is it can be difficult to reproduce live a la PK. But, anyone at the PBS Soundstage taping will readily tell you, although it was considerably pared down compared to the album cut, "Murrow" translated incredibly well. There just weren't 10 or so gimmicky vocal noises and words floating around like on the record.

You are speaking on a matter of opinion here, and calling it fact...saying a song is better is opinion, no matter how you say it. Who says that a great song has to have atleast two notes vocally? I mean really...and what you consider compelling melodies are not what everyone else does. I personally like the song Peacekeeper and I agree I would say it is musically a better song, but I don't think that's the case for all of Lindsey's songs on Say You Will. (Although I think Peacekeeper is rather boring live, and would much rather hear Say You Will live.)

Opinions are what make a song good to you..what YOU Like...and you can say there's a difference, but there is not. I don't think the guitar part in Peacekeeper is any more artistic than the guitar part in Say You Will..do you?

Chris

That's what has always bothered me about Say You Will: it seems to be sung in the wrong...tempo? key? I have no musical training, so I don't know the right words to use here, but to me the lyrics seem to want a more upbeat song. The lyrics are catchy, and I thing it could have been a very popular song, but something is just not quite right about it.

I'm not going to get into a "fight" here, and I'm going to preface my comments by again stating how much I love Lindsey's music, but, come on... how many fans and critics have noted the distinct similarities between many of Lindsey's 'SYW' tunes and those he's recorded before?
Even "Peacekeeper"... which is the song you're directly referring to here... has been "criticized" for a striking similarity to Paul Simon's "Kodachrome."

And just about every sonic trick he used on the production of this album, is something he's used on a previous recording.

Now, I should hope that Lindsey can come up with compelling instrumentation... after all, he's a playing musician and a seasoned producer... but to say his music is "superior" to Stevie's, or vice versa, is going some, and absolutely a matter of opinion.

I like this critique by Marcello Carlin... "If Stevie provides the emotional adventure, Lindsey provides the sonics."

To get back to the topic of the thread, I think "Say You Will" would be more fitting for a New Year's Eve special. The lyrics are hopeful and romantic, tempered by the wisdom of someone who's seen the good and bad aspects of love, and the chorus is exceedingly catchy. Not to mention that it's just plain fun.

Perfectly said Johnny Stew.

Stevie does not "drone" or sing "two notes" on the album. Her voice is unique, sexy, myterious, raspy... and needless to say, I love it! Of course this is just my opinion.

Her voice is obviously not for everyone. In fact, everytime I pop in a Stevie record my sister chimes in with "Is that her real voice?"

And as another person mentioned, listen to Smile at You or Running through the Garden. Her vocals rock on those songs especially.

And from what I have heard this tour, Stevie's voice is "far superior" to Lindsey's, who appears to just scream out the lyrics. Of course, I can understand that because I am sure his guitar playing takes a lot out of him.

And Say You Will is not week lyricly if you ask me. I love it, it is so romantic and Lindsey's guitar solo just adds to the romance of that song. Almost as if no words need to be said. That little guitar solo is like the time when Stevie's old flame is supposed to think about getting back together with her and he is supposed to think about giving her "one more chance". So maybe that is why there is not a lot of lyrics in that song. Of course, this is just how I interpret SYW.

And I bet the band likes SYW better then Peacekeeper seeing how it is the title of the album.

Y'all take a deep breath now, heah?

Strip it down. That's all. Strip every single one of those songs down to the bare vocal and essential rhythm. Go to Dissention's site and listen to some of the center-channel mixes, particularly Red Rover. Everyone of Lindsey's songs on SYW is more dynamic from a melodic standpoint. Strand makes a good point about Smile at You. But outside of that one, Stevie rarely stretches her vocals in a melodically interesting way. We can all discuss opinions of what we like and don't like, but you want to insist that from a musical standpoint her songs are better, you either don't know better or you're kidding yourself.

And by the way, Peacekeeper was changed for SYW to fit her vocal. I'm convinced of it. In the process, it became a less appealing song.

I'm going to admit something here, that I didn't dare say before for fear of a flame-war... but I'll just go ahead and say it.
I think Lindsey's vocal on the center-channel mix of "Red Rover" (from dissention's site) is awful.

In fact, as I listened to it the first time, my brother was in the room and said, "what the hell is that crap?"

Thankfully the full-production masks that.

So if you're going to use that mix as an example, I can't help you out there, because I see nothing more "dynamic" about that track than the center-channel mixes of Stevie's songs.

Her stuff holds up extremely well, even when it's damn-near acapella. In fact, some of her songs are even more arresting in this context.
They're not subservient to the music going on around them.

No, she doesn't have the greatest range vocally, but the appeal of her voice, and her delivery, goes beyond perfect-pitch. That, coupled with the unique outlook conveyed in her lyrics, is what causes her songs to be infinitely more interesting to me than any other artist out there.

Of course, that's simply my opinion. ;)

Smile At You
 

I just wanna pop in and say Smile At You has Stevie's greatest vocal on the album! The breaks in her voice are phenominal!!

I have to disagree with ya Christopher on the vocal argument, but it's all about opinion anyways. I think Lindsey's voice is AMAZING this tour!! I just posted in his forum about him singing Say Goodbye (also, I didn't mention it, but NGBA is greatness too!) and how, to me, he sounded flawless and perfect. His breaks are also phenominal this tour. Stevie did a great break too during, I think, Goodbye Baby or some song and I was like "WOW, that sounded cool!!"

Stevie has a unique voice, unlike any other, but this tour, IMO, is Lindsey's showcase in more ways than one. :nod:

She really made me happy when she got a lil crazy on Rhiannon ("weeeellll, I don't THINK you do!!"), Gold Dust Woman ("go hooooooooomeeee aaaahhhh!!!"), Silver Springs and Stand Back this tour, especially in England. I was like "Come on, Stevie!!!!" when she'd pull that mic and go for it!

I find the album version much more appealing than the 'Gift Of Screws' version.

I thought the addition of Stevie's harmony vocals and the ditching of the tinny drum-machine were terrific improvements.

But, for some reason or another, it's damn near lifeless in a live context... and I don't think it would have made any difference if Lindsey had never changed it.

Come on Spring 2004!!!!!!!!
 

LMAO!! I had Red Rover on really loud one day and my mom comes in "What are you listening to?" in a disgusted voice. I was thinking "A masterpiece, but you wouldn't understand that." LOL

I am DYING to hear the Soundstage Red Rover to hear his voice live without the production covering it up!!!!!!! If they cut that out...HEADS WILL ROLL!!!!! :mad:

I can't say this enough, but it's so weird how one song can make a person break down with tears of sheer joy and make another cringe like they are about to get shot. :laugh: Ahhh, the complexities of the human race. ;)

Re: Come on Spring 2004!!!!!!!!
 

*lol*
I know how you feel, Christy!
Since my brother had such a negative reaction to the center-channel mix of "Red Rover," I wanted to prove to him that Lindsey still rocks, so I played "Murrow"... which, in my opinion, is nothing short of genius.

Unfortunately, he just shrugged his shoulders, said, "it's over-produced," and walked off. :(

Like you said, it's amazing how a song can just absolutely blow one person away, while leaving someone else cold.

Well, Johnny, what can I say? Sometimes there's no accounting for poor taste. ;)

And by the way, your brother is right about Murrow. It is overproduced, as is much of the album. That doesn't necessarily make it bad though.

Oh, I whole-heartedly agree with you there, buddy. ;)

Interestingly, if La Nicks' songs are musically "at fault," a position I do not take in general, I submit that "fault" belongs mostly to LB. After all, he was the producer. He drastically altered several of her songs from the original demos I have heard. Also, no slam to Stevie, but she pretty much is not capable of this level of production.

A good example of this is "Goodbye Baby." The demo for this song was just Stevie at a piano playing a very, very spare arrangement consisting of two, possibly three chords and her singing in that incredible 70's high, high voice (sheebus! ). While the vocal melody, though lower and softer, on SYW is pretty much the same as the piano demo. with added lyrics and a new chorus, musically, the cut on SYW is very, very different. John is playing the original piano melody with the bass notes and LB is playing a new and IMO very interesting guitar overlay (Ba Ba Bum, Ba Ba Bum, Ba Ba Bum . . . ) onto the new gauze-like synth parts. So, the sparse original musical construction of the demo was completely altered - very successfully IMO - by LB.

Another good example is "Thrown Down." LB's new riff on this is just brilliant as are John and Mick's new rythm parts. LB's soft repeating of "together together together together" is also just great production. However, LB's production of the chorus on the SYW regular cut as opposed to the "Wall of Sound" cut just, IMO, sits there and goes no where in relation to her voice dancing with the lyrics in the non-chorus part of the song. Interestingly, the chorus on the DVD of SYW is slightly different in that it has an echo harmony after each phrase e.g "Thrown Down (then higher Thrown Down") - "Like a barricade" (then higher "Like a Barricade"), etc. This arrangement works much better than the reg. CD cut IMO. It lifts the chorus up and makes it stad out from the rest of the song.

Stevie made a comment about leaving for the mixing of the record saying she really would not have been able to do it because LB had labored for hours laying many, many tracks and parts for each song that only he knew what was going on in them :laugh: Ah - the tortured genius of LB