Ticketmaster to Scalp tix
 

Check out this BS... We need to all get together on this one. Lets get a petition going and see if we can make them think twice.



(CBS) Waiting in line won't help you.

Keeping an ear to the ground, checking out Web sites and other news about your favorite musicians might still be of some use.

But in the end, for many concerts, it may soon be true that only cold cash - and plenty of it - will get you the hot tickets you are seeking.

According to the New York Times, Ticketmaster plans later this year to begin auctioning off the best concert seats to the highest online bidders.

The paper says there would be no limit on how high prices could go - it would be simply a matter of how much people were willing to pay.

There is no indication at this point on whether Ticketmaster plans to have any rules to keep ticket brokers or scalpers out of the auction, or would allow all comers - individuals and businesses - to compete on the same basis.

"The band's biggest fans ought to have the best seats, not the band's richest fans," Tim Todd, 47, a Phish fan in Kansas City, told the Times.

An industry analyst is quoted as saying that prime seats at the hottest concerts are "undervalued in the marketplace" and auctions are likely to push prices up as a whole.

Tickets have long been resold in auction settings - particularly on eBay, which does a heavy volume in tickets of all kinds.

But in many states, the resale of concert tickets is subject to strict rules meant to protect consumers and give the small scale fan a chance to buy tickets for their favorite event.

Ticketmaster's plan, by contrast, involves the first time sale of tickets and does not appear to be subject to anti-scalper rules.

"The tickets are worth what they're worth," said Ticketmaster CEO and president John Pleasants, in an interview with the Times. "If somebody wants to charge $50 for a ticket, but it's actually worth $1,000 on eBay, the ticket's worth $1,000. I think more and more, our clients - the promoters, the clients in the buildings and the bands themselves - are saying to themselves 'Maybe that money should be coming to me instead of Bob the Broker.' "



© MMIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.



http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/...in570971.shtml

Ticketmaster is scum!
Anybody want to join me in hunting down & filming this CEO in true "Roger and Me" style?
I'm drivin'!

- Jake

I would be extremely careful as this petition may fall into the wrong hands. I would also be extremely careful who I gave my information to. PLEASE BE CAREFUL EVERYONE!

How is this any different than what they're doing now?

Does anyone really believe currently scalped front row seats aren't already done in collusion with ticketbastard and ticketbastard employees?

Now they're trying to make it legit?
Probably because there's a lot of snooping around by the authorities who are supposed to enforce the laws about this stuff.

What happened to anti-trust laws? Ticketbastard runs a monopoly on these seats and they think they can sell to the highest bidder without regulation?

Let's see how far this goes before lawsuits start happening.

Re: Ticketmaster to Scalp tix
 

Check out this BS!!

http://fan_club_fraud.tripod.com/index.html


Word to the wise: heed gldstwmn's warning. Might not be a good idea to give out your personal info on "Pix's" petition.

Christ you're paranoid. Start your own friggn petition. I didn't even start one. Gimme a break I could give a **** who you are. If I wanted to know I already would.

I'm just trying to give (others) a heads up on this… but I must have some kind of motive… If I didn't want you to know who I was I never would have signed my other name at the bottom of posts.

I knew you would come after me, but I don't give a **** about that either... I'm not posting here for you bitter people that seem to think I'm some sort of evil person. Oh be careful... what he could get your name and....??? Just what the hell would I want with it? Gimme a break... move on.

I will continue to come over and post for those that I think would like to know... For those of you that don't like me fine. I don't like you either.

You assume that I have started a petition, which I have not. There was already a conspiracy and nothing has even been done. You come up with the craziest **** like someone attacked your computers for bitching at Micks… Utter and complete BS. You come up with BS like I was flown here or got front row seats there. Again, you are completely wrong. I could show where I paid for every front row, which I won’t, but even if I did you would scream that I was reimbursed. I suppose they gave me the tickets that I gave away out of my own pocket too?

I'm not going to read your response to this because I know your just going to come up with more unfounded BS. If I think there is something the rest of the board needs to know about I will post. I will not however, read anymore of you paranoid fantasy.

Oh, I see.
Did you start a petition?:) :wavey:
Do you like us either?

BTW, thanks for summing up the motto of the unmotivated student: "If I wanted to know I already would." That's a keeper.

- Jake

1) Good to know the feeling is mutual

2) I feel fans look out for one another here WITHOUT your involvement. If there is a true uprising, I would definetly hear about it via my other favorite band, the String Cheese Incident, who by the way is SUING Ticketmaster right now - so I would of course post it over here if they are going to do something about it. I have NO desire to list my personal information on some website. Funny how in the other thread you said you wernt coming back... but like a bad dream you keep popping up.

3) Although my computer was not abducted by an Alien or Mick Fleetwood, YOU DID BAN ME FOR MY ONE AND ONLY POST OVER ON ***YOUR BOARD*** WHERE I WAS POINTING OUT YOU WERE BREAKING YOUR OWN RULES. Kiss my *ss Trinity, that was a bloody lie you told.

4) YOUR A COWARD. GO AND RUN AND HIDE TO DADDY MICK.
:wavey:

post script ~ its a travesty we cant BAN YOU!

Uh huh.:nod:

How about the Justice Department? They went after Bill Gates, Clear Channel and a whole list of others. Ticketmaster's turn will inevitably come. Like gypsysara said, the bands have already started suing them.

I do agree that Ticketb*stard & Clear Channel are monopolistic companies...

http://www.stringcheeseincident.com/news.tm.full.htm

Link to my barefoot boys' website and their speil on the whole lawsuit issue.

"SCI Ticketing filed the lawsuit claiming that ticketing giant Ticketmaster has monopolized the ticketing industry, using its immense market power to prevent competition for the sale of concert tickets. SCI Ticketing is the first artist-centered ticketing company to sue Ticketmaster in federal court."

I don't wish to step on Vianna's toes here, but I just want to remind everyone that personal attacks are not acceptable on these boards.

If you have a personal feud with someone, work it out elsewhere.
If you don't like someone and don't care to read what they have to say, use the ignore function here on The Ledge.


Thank you.

How could anyone work it out elsewhere with this person when they have an unfair advantage and can come here and stir the pot whenever they like knowing that most people can't go where they are? This person knows it and is taking full advantage of the hospitality here on this site when people were thrown off of their site for saying far less than they have said here.



I think PIX would have to hit the ignore function for most of the people on this site if they wanted to ignore the people who have a problem with them.


PIX seems all worked up about this "BS" but didn't do a thing to help the members of this community when they were hurt and cheated by Jonathan Todd's "BS". PIX didn't see the need to help the community then, but they can't understand why their motives of help are constantly being questioned now.

FAR TOO LITTLE FAR TOO LATE by someone who had a hand in supporting so much "BS" that this community was hurt by.


PIX was front and center when people were being hurt left and right by his own actions and those of his boss and did not lift a fiinger to come over here then to help the members who could not reach the club and were banned from Mick's site.


His last post here

"If you would like to meet and discuss it sometime it can be arranged"

was a clear threat in the context of the thread and the statements being made.


PIX has access to the SUPPOSED 3300 members of Mick's site so why does he need the support of the people here? SURELY, they ALL can't be scalpers. Even if most or many of them are scalpers I would think they'd be thrilled to have PIX and the support of the FLEETWOOD MAC FANCLUB in helping to keep them in business. Scalpers need a leader, maybe PIX is it! And now that Jonathan (come lately) Todd is HOPPING MAD over the scalpers taking seats away from innocent fans, he might want to put all of his resources behind helping the fans again. He's been such a support to this community that I'm sure he would help PIX in this new effort.



I think the members of this community were told to MOVE ON enough at Mick's site by the caring devoted members there, do we really need PIX coming over here telling us to MOVE ON, again?


I see that the LOVELY caring members of PIX's community who told us off every chance they got to MOVE ONE, STOP COMPLAINING, YOU'RE RUINING OUR FUN, GET OVER IT are now the victims of bad seats bought through their great fanclub and are missing the opportunity to buy better seats as they come available. It's just a crying shame that people had to be hurt by so much "BS" and PIX stood at the edge of the ditch shoveling the "BS" allover this community. Maybe PIX can offer to stop that "BS" and go help some of them.


BTW, that second post PIX made in this thread seemed like it lacked CIVILITY. I believe PIX was really hung up about the "LACK OF CIVILITY" by the people he threw out of Mick's site, and now here he comes.......

Pix (aka Trinity, JT's brown nose) said:

"I will continue to come over and post for those that I think would like to know... For those of you that don't like me fine. I don't like you either. "

Good to know that we are on the same page. Thing is that you fixed it where we can't post on Micks site. You used all that power huh? Hows it make you feel to come over here, to our world, and know that you aren't wanted?

What I recommend is that NO ONE post to anything that he has to say. Maybe he will slink back to the dark side.

I don't know where you came from before you put on that admin cap, but, you better have paid the rent there. You will be back there soon.




:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

This is your forum, and we've always wanted people to have the opportunity to speak their minds here.
But we do have some guidelines and rules, and personal attacks are against those rules.

Mind you, I'm not singling anyone out... my first post was simply a reminder.

I responded to your post because I was not sure who or what you were directing your comments to and I'm still not sure.

I think there's an unavoidable problem here and PIX knows that but he also knows he's not going to be thrown out of here.

Would that include the post that Pix made inviting someone to fight? The physical threat?

Is there anywhere I could have more information on this whole fan club conflict thing. I think I have completely missed everything.

Shamus:)

As I said, personal attacks are against the rules.
That goes for everyone. No one is exempt.

And... again... my first post was simply a reminder.
Not singling anyone out... not rapping anyone's knuckles... not taking sides...
Just a reminder. :)

Here you go:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showth...&threadid=8954

More:

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showth...threadid=10138

http://ledge.fleetwoodmac.net/showth...threadid=10521

Hey Im all for not reading posts that dont interest me, or people I feel have different attitudes than my own... but it goes against my grain seeing Pix lie and not speaking up against it. Its a nusiance to have Pix freely able to post over here, but it wont detract me from posting myself.

If Pix wants to come here and "be nice" that's their right, and so be it. I cant change that. Its a shame Pix doesnt recognize we really dont need their help, despite the personal level they (they being MF.com) have taken the club-fiasco to. But I wont stand up for lies or being rude to people whom I feel are pretty decent folks. I wont slander anyone, but if Im banned for defending my beliefs, well then so be it. LOL wouldnt be the first time...

1) I have not lied about anything.

2) I have not been rude to anyone. I have only responded to being attacked.

Well, I'm not that personally involved the whole "Trinity" thang, because I never really posted on that cheezy FM board.

However, I did pay the membership fee. I did get crappy "pre-sale" tickets to the Staples Center. I ended up getting better seats at the same price through ticketbasterd WITHOUT "help" from the fan club. And, of course, I was unable to unload the crappy fan club seats ("the best 20% of the house my ass"). So, $300.00 got flushed down the toilet.

So, after all that, I felt- leave well enough alone, ya know.

However, I am proud of all the Ledgies that keep on fighting that fan club (how it can even be called that, I don't know). I just don't like getting down in the dirt with sleazy, scuzzy people.

PIX: I thought you said you weren't coming back here? I mean, the following IS a direct quote from you:

"I'm not going to read your response to this because I know your just going to come up with more unfounded BS. If I think there is something the rest of the board needs to know about I will post. I will not however, read anymore of you paranoid fantasy."

:confused: :confused:

I wasn't going to respond until someone called me a liar.

The Words of a Poet that are so misunderstood
 

"Christ you're paranoid. Start your own friggn petition. I didn't even start one. Gimme a break I could give a **** who you are. If I wanted to know I already would"


"I knew you would come after me, but I don't give a **** about that either... I'm not posting here for you bitter people that seem to think I'm some sort of evil person. Oh be careful... what he could get your name and....??? Just what the hell would I want with it? Gimme a break... move on."


"You come up with the craziest **** like someone attacked your computers for bitching at Micks… Utter and complete BS. "


"If you would like to meet and discuss it sometime it can be arranged"


As usual, the rules only apply as they like them. Get booted out of their site for questioning things and come over here and they lose their civility. Go figure.



I belive he THINKS he's being picked on. Awwww...In the words of one understanding and sweet "Dino" from Mick's site....TSK TSK TSK.

Oh ya... I just came over and went off for no reason. It doesn't have anything to do with a few calling me names and accusing me of lies, and being gay... sucking male organs, kissing ass, being a minion, selling out, etc. I'm not the one who needs to work on being civil. I would quote the guy that said some of this stuff, but the post has vanished.

You can accuse me of not being civil, but anyone who has read the garbage a few people throw my direction knows that I have taken that crap for all to long and not said a word. Hell, I've been accused of being in league with Satan. I have always been civil when I came here, but I'm not going to take **** without responding to it anymore.

The quote about "discussing it" was in direct response to someone telling me I perform oral sex on men. (Paraphrase) That post has now been removed. I should have quoted it so he couldn't remove it, but I didn't think you guys did that here...

Don't tell me I'm not the one being civil. I have been civil and been attacked anyway. If people want to attack me now, the can expect it in return. If they leave me alone I will do the same. If not then we can continue like this.

So let me ask you this Pix. Is it "civil" to ban users from the BBS you run without a legitimate justified cause? Your rules state to not post (c) copyrighted material aka photos w/out permission. When your other administrator, GoldDustWoman aka Jackie was DOING JUST THAT, you looked the other way. When I brought it up in my one and only post, I was banned. I was told because monitors from your board were looking here and saw me as siding with the people who got burned by the club. I was just standing up for my FRIENDS -- not to mention pointing out the ADMINISTRATORS (one of which would be you) were breaking their own rules. Why are the rules ok for everyone else but you two?

And yes, you were rude by deleting your thread here (if nothing else) a few months ago. Your rude for not caring about the fans who YOUR EMPLOYER and YOU have ripped off. That's very rude IMO.

Im not surprised your back here though, and yes, I feel you are a liar - sorry it surprises you, but Im not sorry for how I feel.

While many of us would love to continue this fascinating conversation about how you've been treated unfairly and take it off this site, you and your boss took that right away from us so it's only natural that people will respond where freedom of speech is not only for the people who support the administrators and Jonathan Todd.

So it's not fair, but see...you still get to come here and USE this site when you and the person you work for took that away from this community. Not only were people banned from posting on the site, they were banned from viewing the site.


The mass bannings weren't fair. Jonathan Tood removing posts to hide what was going on wasn't fair. The whole Fanclub debacle wasn't fair. It's not fair that Jonathan Todd and you and Jackie ruined what should have been a great time for the fans of Fleetwood Mac.

You had ample opportunity to respond to those things you felt were unfair when they were being said, but you didn't and let loose now and lost your civility, somehow that's supposed to be alright. The same way a few "SELECT" members of your site can be as nasty as they like to anyone they like and not only arent't they warned but the posts with the nasty comments and rude remarks are left there because they support your cause. That's alright in your book and that's the way that site runs, we all learned that the hard way.


I've heard that you don't agree with Jonathan Todd and a lot of what he does and what goes on, but there came a point where you stayed on and any shred of respect that some members of this community might have had left for you was gone.

The fact is, you never came over here to help the members of this community who were thrown out of your site when they were having problems with the fanclub and phone calls were not being returned and fans were losing out. You came AFTER your site became a ghost town and Jonathan Todd's actions were brought before the management and band. All of a sudden you want to help the fans who belong to this community as well as the chosen few over at your own site.


How come you don't say the word ***** in every sentence over on your site, but can't seem to control yourself from saying it over and over again here.


You want to help? Why don't you go ask Jonathan Todd why after being outed on the stolen identities he promised to change the passwords before the presales began for the second leg, but sometime in the 36 hours before the first presale for the second leg he went in and deleted his own post about promising to change the passwords. Why don't you help so when some poor fan gets a decent ticket to a show and gets to the checkout at ticketmaster and finds their allotment was used by someone else and was actually stolen. Help them get back the tickets they can't have because it took the Fanclub a few hours to straighten out the mess caused because Jonathan Todd is lazy and a liar.

There comes a time when you can't deny what has been done to the fans by Jonathan Todd, you've long passed that opportunity. The reason your site is a ghost town is because so many people who had stayed and stayed finally couldn't make anymore excuses for him, it's a shame you couldn't come to the same conclusion.

So let me ask you this Pix. Is it "civil" to ban users from the BBS you run without a legitimate justified cause? Your rules state to not post (c) copyrighted material aka photos w/out permission. When your other administrator, GoldDustWoman aka Jackie was DOING JUST THAT, you looked the other way. When I brought it up in my one and only post, I was banned. I was told because monitors from your board were looking here and saw me as siding with the people who got burned by the club. I was just standing up for my FRIENDS -- not to mention pointing out the ADMINISTRATORS (one of which would be you) were breaking their own rules. Why are the rules ok for everyone else but you two?

And yes, you were rude by deleting your thread here (if nothing else) a few months ago. Your rude for not caring about the fans who YOUR EMPLOYER and YOU have ripped off. That's very rude IMO.

Im not surprised your back here though, and yes, I feel you are a liar - sorry it surprises you, but Im not sorry for how I feel.
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Stephanie
We were not talking about the other board here. We were talking about being civil on this board. I haven’t posted any pictures that are under any ones copyright. The Club does not employ me, and I don’t get paid, nor did I “rip anyone off.”

Who told you that they saw what you were doing here and they banned you? That is another lie. Nobody was ever banned for what they said on another board. There were many times when I told people not to start an us/them toward this board. All you that read there know this to be true. I never banned anyone unless they were nasty and defamatory.

I deleted a thread here a couple of months ago because people decided to make it into and argument when I posted about times that a FM broadcast would be aired. It had nothing to do with the subject of the thread. Just as this thread has changed from me telling you guys about TM… into people using it to attack me.

Just because you, “feel” I’m a liar doesn’t make me one, and you can show me nothing that proves that I lie because there is no such case.

Nothing you are saying is surprising to me from what some have said about me here. I’m not asking for anyone to feel for me. I expect they be civil and I will do the same. If you don’t like me that’s fine leave me alone and I will reciprocate.

"We were not talking about the other board here"

You may not be talking about the other board here, but for many of the fans you being here brings that board here, and while you might not like that or think it's unfair, that's the bed you've chosen to sleep in and that's the way things are.


"I deleted a thread here a couple of months ago because people decided to make it into and argument when I posted about times that a FM broadcast would be aired. It had nothing to do with the subject of the thread"


That was the second thread that was deleted here by a member of your site in a few short months because that's the way you operate over there. Like you said, that's not the way things are here. People feel very differently here about who owns the thread once other people have responded to the original poster and you don't have the right to make that decision for everyone else.

"I never banned anyone unless they were nasty and defamatory."

First of all we have no proof about who banned who over on your site and you can't keep hiding behind that. We realize that it suits your needs when things get hot, but like I said, you chose to look the other way over and over and now you have to accept the things that come with that decision. As usual, no one in mgmt there can ever take responsibility for anything, it's always someone else's fault. That got old a long time ago.

EDITED TO ADD: You also don't ban people who insult and abuse other people as long as they're defending the administration and agenda of your site.

Can you reallly NOT understand why you're in this position and can you NOT try to understand what has happened. Even if you think that we're all wrong, certainly you can remember what has happened the last few months and try to not make things worse AGAIN. Can you try to let us enjoy what's left of this tour, must the entire tour be ruined because you want to prove a point,, NOW...so long down the road


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Thanks for the words, but now they will accuse you of being someone from Mick's board.

I was hoping that we could use the combined numbers from both the boards to try an let it be known what we think on this issue. I guess there is just to many hard feeling for that to be so.

Glad you understand. Bye now! :wavey:

Yes, it's sad..
 

"I don't like the way you all have turned this into a personal attack."



We don't like a lot of the things that were done to us.




"I guess it's too much for you all to join forces as Fleetwood Mac fans and call a truce to the mudslinging until we get to the bottom of this."



I think it's PIX who has been slinging the most mudd in this thread, but of course you're entitled to your opinion.




"I guess you were just all talk."



I don't know what you're referring to.



"It's easy to have a Bitchfest but when it comes time to walk the walk I guess the people that have ganged up on Pix just can't hang. That's OK"


Oh, we've been walking the walk alright, just not the same one as you and the people from your site.




"I can hang and there's over 3000 others just like me, who think like me, who are decent like me, who will fight like me and will be breathing REAL AIR like Me"




and NOW we get to the good stuff. I'm truly sorry that we're not "decent" enough for you, but who made you a judge of who is decent. I think that REAL AIR might be going to your head, but I'm not a doctor or anything.



"And another thing"


Oh lordy, here it comes.....



"This isn't a question and answer free for all session
It was an opening to discuss how TicketMaster has affected us and how we might all benefit by looking into it together."


Do you get to decide everything for everyone all of the time, or just when you're over on your site? How does that work?


Sorry we're not decent enough for you, try real hard to find those 3300 people, maybe they're hiding out somewhere and if you look real hard they'll turn up and be decent enough for you. Y'all come back real soon!


And let's pray they don't rally the rest of the troops. Geez.



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Bring it brotha. You won't find the same "Ty So Much Trin. You Are So Helpful. I Love You" over here. You burned your bridges. end of story. I think that the majority of the fan base has no use for you or for Miss Mick Balls now. And, God, I hate to think what you would do if anyone posted on Micks site the way that you post here. You having some kinda double standard for yourself?

Hold on people!
 

Even if you don't like Trinity's past actions, he was just trying to do something nice by posting about this action by Ticketmaster, as well as when he posted about good seats coming up earlier. Why attack him for that?

Yeah, there are a LOT of hard feelings.


You have 3300 members, surely you can't need the few hundred who post here. You also have the thousands that belong to the fanclub, maybe Jonathan will let you have that list too.


Maybe you'd like to sign our petition about firing Jonathan Todd. Ours seem to have caught the attention of the right people, maybe we can help you to get yours into the right hands.

13 posts. Gee, I wonder where you came from all of a sudden?:confused:

You’re right... I don't expect anyone to kiss up to me, but I don't expect them to say I suck #^#@ either, and if I get a bit testy because someone says stuff like that then I guess it is a double standard. You just ignore all the stuff that was said about me (or agree with it) then say well shame on him for saying **** when someone called him a XXXXXX.

Talk about being selective on what is tolerated.

Go read the other thread Cour... and the hundred that a few have used to slam me for months... Oh, but that is all right, because that was your view too. It's the same as the crap you accuse me of.

Yep. You got that right if you did not get another thing right. 3000 ppl in your defense? Who are you kidding? bwaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

All the derision and attitude and "pissing" is deserved. We deserve the right to not have to deal with one of the ppl who have destroyed so much of this experience for a LARGE majority of the fans.. Oh, and so you know, the petition against the fan clue, Jonathan Todd and Micks site is up to 460 names now. Those are REAL ppl. Not made up.