Mick Fleetwood--Piece of junk human?
 

I was just wondering, because rarely if ever do I read nice things about him here.

There's all kinds of nice talk about Stevie, Lindsey and Chris, and people usually say nothing about poor John. :( Mick however seems to get the most ugly comments out of all of them. They aren't even rediculously frequent or anything, I just noticed that there seems to be some kind of problem with him in things I read here time to time. I've even read that some people think his message board is wierd or something. :laugh:

I know I remember reading that his book was basically trash and should never have been released. But why else?

Just curious.

Peace

Eric

There's nothing wrong with lving money a lot, we all do. But Mick takes it to the extreme where it's like he see's all of us as his cash cows and he'll do whatever he can do to make a quick buck. People like that sicken me and don't deserve my respect.

He's always tried to make money through the years and it's partially because he doesn't know how to manage finances for ****. After all, Fleetwood Mac fired him as their manager because he was so ****ty with money. He went bankrupt for making ****ty land deals and whores out the other band members so that he gets more money.

He wrote a book that was full of embellishments and lies, not because people cared about him, but because they cared about Lindsey, Stevie, and Chris and wanted to hear about them. So, he made money off of the misfortune of others. Nevermind the fact that Mick was one of the biggest cokeheads and what he wrote in his "book" was probably all fiction and lies. I wouldn't even call it a book, I'd call it "literary excrement."

Like Bob Welch said, as long as Mick has money rolling in, Mick doesn't care what kinds of people he gets involved with. He hired the likes of a certain Jonathan Todd and I think that speaks for itself.

Jonathan Todd has stolen money, tried to make money off of other people like the sweet Pip, he's corrupted the computers of people who disagree with his tactics, and he's trashing Fleetwood Mac in the process. And, here's the kicker, Mick Fleetwood knows all about it. Anyone who would argue the contrary smokes cannabis. :laugh:

So, for those reasons and MANY more, I think Mick is a piece of junk. And he ain't the best drummer by far, either. :laugh:

JC! No one is a piece of junk. Maybe someone who molests children or beats people to a bloody pulp or anyone who harms animals for no reasons...but Mick Fleetwood, just because he is money hungry, isn't a piece of junk. He's just someone who wants to retire, have money for his kids and grandkids. He must feel alot of guilt losing soooooooo much money, I bet Stevie is the same way. Im sure they both would like to die knowing their family are taken care of for years and years. Im sure Mick just wants to have a dynasty.

I'd have to disagree with that... there are a lot of terms that could be used to describe the man, but one thing he is not is a bad drummer.

Laura.

But see, my point is that Mick will spare no expense (no pun intended! :laugh: ) to have his dynasty. He doesn't care how he makes his money, even if it's in the dirtiest way or at the expense of others that aren't as fortunate as he is.

Laura--

I don't think Mick is a bad drummer, he's a great drummer. But he is FAR from the best. You want to see or hear one of the best drummers out there, check out Clem Burke; he puts Mick to shame. :D

(squeals) CLEM!!! FINALLY some recignition of him, he is one of the best drummers ever. Adrian Young isn't too bad either.

Check out Clem Burke? I don't need to... I've seen Blondie live ten times. And Kate, how did I know you would pop your head up at the mention of Clem? :laugh: It's true, he does deserve more recognition. However, they have completely different styles of drumming. You can't really compare them in that way.

Laura.

I have a Blondie radar. I sense these things from afar. Auk! The official site is calling... (goes to official site)

:laugh:

I think Mick's a pretty good drummer. I'm no expert, but his drumming on Rumours sounds really good to me. Maybe it's just my speakers. :rolleyes:

Let me just add that, when I think of Mick's most impressive drumming, I think pre Rumours. So I may be using a slightly different reference point to some of you. It's strange though... people in the most random places point to Mick as an inspiration. I know drummers in punk bands that give props to the pre Rumours stuff.

Laura.

Ah, you have Blondie radar too! I always know when they're on television... I just get this feeling... and I turn it on, and voila! And why is the official site calling? Chris better not have updated again...

Yes, this is so far off topic it's somewhere on the boundaries of our solar system, but I promise not to do it again!

Laura.

I don't know why but it just is. Da da!

Gah... Chris has not yet updated. Dammit... But, I think Clem did this interview thingie with one of the webmasters/whatever...


And, being off topic is fun! :laugh:

Shall I continue until they make me shut up? You're a bad influence, Kate! :laugh:

But yes, both Clem and Jimmy (thank God he's back... we were so scared that he had defected to The Misfits) did interviews with Kat... I think it must have been backstage after some of the Australian shows.

Laura.

OK, I'm going to start a Blondie thread in the chit chat forum, since I feel severe guilt over being so far off topic. ;)

Laura.

1. it could be nice if both you and eric would start considering some heavier thinking processes before you write.
of course the man is no angel, but on the other hand, despite what you may think he's one of the world's greatest drummers, he is the man who kept this great band alive through thick and thin for 36+ years, and like it or not, he's the man who's responsible to the fact that lindsey and stevie have careers at all.
please show SOME respect.

2. he's money hungry alright. yes, sometimes it's becoming unfair to us fans, but overall i'd say that his money grabbing is beneficial for most of us.
what can i say, usually i enjoy spending money on FM. example: i'll be going to see them in london pretty soon, and it's about to cost me at least 1500$, honestly, i don't really have this money right now, will mick be responsible for this upcoming overdraft? no.
this money grabbing can end with this wretched fanclub on one hand or Tango In The Night on the other.

3. the fact that i'm smoking a nice ganja as i write this, doesn't make my opinion any less valid than yours if you don't mind.

And proud of it! Yay Jimmy's back! I *heart* him, after all, he wrote 11:59, I looove that song...

(goes off to post away in thread)

My thinking process is perfectly fine, if others don't like my opinions, they don't have to agree. But I don't need to be told that my "thinking process" is off base. I find that quite rude.

1. It's a matter of *OPINION* whether or not someone thinks he's one of the "greatest" drummers. He's a good drummer in my book, but not one of the greatest in the world. It's a matter of opinion and personal taste.

2. I don't have to respect him for hooking up with Lindsey and Stevie. That's a bit far-fetched.

3. If you can explain how the fan club is beneficial to most of us, I'd be open to hearing you explain it. If you can explain how his "book" was beneficial to us, please explain. The things he does are beneficial to him and his cohorts (the band included), plain and simple.

I respect his music, but I don't respect *him*. He's proven what an arse he is and that's enough for me.

Once again, if someone doesn't agree, more power to ya. Our opinions are what make us unique. but don't insult people if you don't agree. :)

Re: Mick Fleetwood--Piece of junk human?
 

If you really want to check out the Mick Fleetwood scene, I would recommend www.mickfleetwood.com. Don't forget to check out the chat board.

I am 100% convinced that they would have been famous anyway.

Me too!!!! esp. Stevie. because by her own admission, she was just far too ambitious!!! :laugh:

do you really think every worthwhile talent gets its proper fame and recognition? you (and i) wish!

Dissention, i read your post and it contained not even a single argument which could have made me change my mind or take back anything i've said.
again, my point is that mick's money hunger was joyfully accepted on my side of the wallet, and usually my heart as well.
i wish some day MY desire for money could cause as much satisfaction as mick's.
as much as i hate the fanclub and its evil ruler, it DID in fact help me get a 5th row ticket.

I kind of admire Mick. I didn't get mixed up in the whole Fan Club thing, so maybe that is one reason why I don't have anything against him. I think it is great that he is making money, he deserves it! Tons of celebs have written books and I'm sure everyone knows that you should not take what you are reading as fact. From all the interviews I have seen he is very funny and seems like a nice guy. He and Stevie are my favorites in the band... And of course, Chris. But I guess she doesn't count anymore!

Would you like to explain a little bit on why you admire him? :)

I don't think so. They needed to get on their feet somehow. They already had an album before they came to FM and it went no where!

Well first of all he was a cofounder of my favorite band of all time! Also, I still don't understand how you say that the fans are paying for his "money hunger". How are they? If you are refering to the fan club, I doubt very much he is responsible. He is just way to busy to be single handedly running a fan club. I think maybe it was his idea and he was going to be the band member that was the most involved. Still, I think the person who is responsible is that guy who is actually running the financial department and what the "goodies" are that they are giving away. I never signed up for it because I can spot a ripoff a mile away. They don't even send you anything in the mail!

Back to the question at hand. I also admire Mick because he is so enthusiastic at all the concerts. Just look at him on The Dance video and see how much fun he is having...

Also, I'm money hingry to. I just have never had the change to make a ton. So I say Mick, more power to ya!

Actually the album did very well in the south. I think Stevie and Lindsey would have continued to "break" out of the south and gone national. They had the right sound, in the right place at the right time, no question. Wasn't Lindsey gigging with the Everly Brothers around this time too?

Yes, apparently the only thing necessary for success with a fan club presale is to live on another continent.:(

I think Piece of Junk is quite a harsh thing to call someone,unless of course you live in a glass house:D I am not the biggest Mick fan by a long shot..but the man is a great drummer..and yea,so he comes off as way $$ hungry..it is annoying..he has ****ty choice in people who represent him...but overall..i can name alot of people with worse attributes than him.

I, and many other people including celebrities, famous producers, fellow rock stars, and seasoned session players, have mentioned that LB and, perhaps even more so, SN (not in a musical instrument way per se but in a star quality/songwriter way) had a special quality that went beyond talent - almost like they were chosen or destined to be great if I may wax poetic. So, while I get that for every talented star, there nine others that do not make it for many reasons, I also think LB and SN would have made it, esp. considering Stevie's professed ambition (which I have never heard that LB shared), they were somewhat on their way in the South, and LB was getting solid work touring with a well known band.

Also, I have briefly met Stevie a couple of times and been within one foot of her at concerts, touched her hands, etc., and let me tell you that she glows as if a light is coming from her and it makes you think there is noone else there - now that is star power to me. I know that sounds insane, but I swear its true :laugh: In fact, others have commented on it.

But, others have their opinion on such things and I respect that!! :cool:

Re: Re: Mick Fleetwood--Piece of junk human?
 

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Dont forget you could PM "Pix" over here for the lo-down since Trinity is also an admin over on MF.com...

Tommer, one of these days you and I should share a smoke. Ill bring the rolling papers.

edit: Mick's done some pretty sleazy things (IMO) in his day... but "piece of junk" is a description I save for others who do much worse. Sad thing about that tho is I feel he IS doing wrong by the fan club fiasco, so who knows...

Very interesting stuff people. His fanclub seems like an effin' mess, especially after reading this and breezing through that Jonathan Todd thread. Do you mean to tell me that guy has sent computer viruses to people in the fanclub? That's what I picked up from what I read.

Oh, and for those saying I should watch what I say...I never called Mick a piece of junk. I was ASKING if he was a piece of junk. There's a difference. :laugh:

Uhh... I'd like to know why she doesn't count anymore. She's still one of, if not my favourite(s) member of The Mac. Does it matter that she's not in the band anymore? I don't think so. :rolleyes:

:nod: :nod:

- Jake

I've brought people to Stevie shows who have never seen her before and aren't even that familiar with the music and they're mesmerized by her. I've converted quite a few people actually.

IMHO I personally think it's really sad that people feel "taken" by the fan club. I personally don't have any proof that they haven't lived up to their promises as I, like someone else said earlier, can smell a rip off a mile away. $80, or what ever it was is no chump change, and didn't seem worth it. I have to wonder if people were charged only $20 (which is not alot of money) and promised the same things and didn't receive them, would they still be calling Mick a money grabber?

Also, I don't fault Mick in trying to make money. He's a drummer in a band who doesn't write, doesn't produce or do any of the studio stuff, and basically unless the albums sell huge amounts, he's not going to make one red cent. All him and John have is the touring money. Lindsey and Stevie have song writing / producing royalties. Lindseys solo stuff hasn't sold very well and he made up for that by producing FM. Producers of albums are the ones paid first - everyone else comes after. Stevie had the best of both worlds. Popular in and out of the band.

Hey.... It's North America - and Capitalism is alive and well.

As for who he has backing him up or running the fan club. That's probably, if you feel you've been wronged, were energy should be focused.

But... since Mick is in the forefront, he's going to be the one picked on.

Mick and John hold a decent stake in the Rumours publishing among other things.

Mick's not a demon. Mick's not a god. He's just a guy. Do I think he's devious? Not really. A little dumb? Short-sighted? Even selfish? Yeah. I'm not foolish to think he's actually going to try to do me any favors or look out for my best interest. I think that makes him average. The rock stars that actually look out for the fans are the ones operating outside the norm, not Mick Fleetwood.

You're right. I guess with the new tour and album, she is kind of getting pushed to the backburner in my mind. She has always been my favorite though, or at least a close second to Stevie. I don't know. It's a toss.

Glad too see more people recognizing her contributions to FM. I know, alot of people kinda feel that way. I'm the same way, she and Stevie are so close on my list that it's a tie.