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OK-LANDSLIDE 05-28-2003 05:09 AM

Jonathon teaches others to LIE and CHEAT!!
 
CHECK OUT THIS SITE I FOUND ON INTERNET ABOUT J. TODD. WHAT A JERK AND HE JUST KEEPS ON TAKING AND TEACHES OTHERS HOW TO DO IT.

http://www.namm.com/education/2003/descriptions.html

Article about Todd is found about half way down on this page!!! This guy is unreal. Who hired him Warner Brothers or the Band?



1:30pm-2:45pm

How to Command Free Press and Gain New Customers Rapidly for the Retail Music Merchant
Jonathan Todd
California A
Jonathan Todd, President of SabreMark Inc., shows retailers how to effectively command attention and sales through free press and promotional techniques designed for retail music stores. Attendees leave with a written press plan covering their particular store/chain size and needs. Jonathan will evaluate and critique sample plans from attendees right from the “podium” suggest changes, give new ideas and help participants finalize their new promotional plan. Attendees can also interface with Jonathan Todd and his staff during the following two days. Ask Jonathan directly for a consulting appointment at the Show.


I believe this seminar was done in mid January!! Oh well he has to live with himself not us. OK-LANDSLIDE

seeknpeace 05-28-2003 10:59 AM

He has his fingers into several ventures. This man did this for the money, he stroked Mick I am sure, but, he is seems to be a con man...Mick, Mick, Mick....when will you stop this crap?:confused:

gypsysara 05-28-2003 11:18 AM

Oooohhh... can I please line up for a "consulting appointment"?? Maybe then he can realize Im "sexually oriented" which would give his crummy BBS grounds to TRULY "ban" me. LOL! :laugh: :laugh:

Gypsy-Rhiannon 05-28-2003 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gypsysara
Oooohhh... can I please line up for a "consulting appointment"?? Maybe then he can realize Im "sexually oriented" which would give his crummy BBS grounds to TRULY "ban" me. LOL! :laugh: :laugh:
LMAO

flyfirefly 05-31-2003 01:35 AM

I still don't think the band knows what's going on. Fleetwood Mac tends to love their fans---right? I'm sure they're hearing the good things, as any business would report.

It might be a while before FM really knows what all went down.

Gypsy-Rhiannon 05-31-2003 03:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by flyfirefly
I still don't think the band knows what's going on. Fleetwood Mac tends to love their fans---right? I'm sure they're hearing the good things, as any business would report.

It might be a while before FM really knows what all went down.

I can imagine Todd telling whoever he reports to that everything is hunky dory and that it is just a small handful of fans making trouble

Pip

flyfirefly 05-31-2003 09:27 AM

Exactly!

I mean...beyond the internet, where do any of us stand? We've heard about the Dixie Chicks thing, so have they heard about us--or rather, the Fleetwood Mac Fan Club er...controversy?

[insert sarcasm here]

Oh, and especially you, Pip. Our #1 troublemaker ;)

[/end sarcasm]

Gypsy-Rhiannon 05-31-2003 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by flyfirefly
Exactly!

I mean...beyond the internet, where do any of us stand? We've heard about the Dixie Chicks thing, so have they heard about us--or rather, the Fleetwood Mac Fan Club er...controversy?

[insert sarcasm here]

Oh, and especially you, Pip. Our #1 troublemaker ;)

[/end sarcasm]

Well #1 is better than #2! ;)

Pip

seeknpeace 05-31-2003 09:55 AM

Quote:

I mean...beyond the internet, where do any of us stand? We've heard about the Dixie Chicks thing, so have they heard about us--or rather, the Fleetwood Mac Fan Club er...controversy?
Just hold on and watch....you might be surprised what is coming.

flyfirefly 05-31-2003 10:11 AM

Well, that would be great! I'd love to see some publicity.

I just hope whatever happens makes the Fleetwood Mac Fan Club look as bad as it possibly can, and leaves the band alone.

...because the whole point of hiring someone to do a job is so they can do it and do it well, right? So, if multi-millionaire celebrities can be in bankruptcy at the height of their popularity because their management is putting money elsewhere, it seems this issue of Fan Club negativity could be totally escaping their eyes.

seeknpeace 05-31-2003 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by flyfirefly
Well, that would be great! I'd love to see some publicity.

I just hope whatever happens makes the Fleetwood Mac Fan Club look as bad as it possibly can, and leaves the band alone.

...because the whole point of hiring someone to do a job is so they can do it and do it well, right? So, if multi-millionaire celebrities can be in bankruptcy at the height of their popularity because their management is putting money elsewhere, it seems this issue of Fan Club negativity could be totally escaping their eyes.

while I understand what you are saying and it would not make me happy for the band to be brought into this, and my petition does not include them, you have to remember that if you go into Macys and the sales clerk is rude to you and slaps you, not only do you sue her, you sue Macys as well, as they put her out there as their rep. That is the same thing that falls to FM. The best thing that they could do is fire their mgment for keeping them in the dark and come clean at this point if they are in the dark. And, trust me, their management ALL know what is going on. That is an absolute.

flyfirefly 05-31-2003 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by seeknpeace
And, trust me, their management ALL know what is going on. That is an absolute.

Elaborate, please? Just so I know what you're talking about, because I honestly don't.

seeknpeace 05-31-2003 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by flyfirefly
Elaborate, please? Just so I know what you're talking about, because I honestly don't.
Each manager was sent everything that they needed to know about all that has gone down. And, by more than one fan. They all know. IF they are keeping it from the band to protect them, or etc, they are setting themselves up for it all to bite them in the ass. There is absolutely no excuse at the stage.

flyfirefly 05-31-2003 10:25 AM

Well I'm not going to sit here and detail the reasons why the management may also not have any idea---it just seems to me, being at the low end of the totem pole of the Recording Industry that there are many people who something like this might've gone through, or not gone through, or got mixed up with.

So where is 60 Minutes and it's investigative reporting? Let's get some professionals in the field!

seeknpeace 05-31-2003 12:00 PM

Quote:

Well I'm not going to sit here and detail the reasons why the management may also not have any idea---it just seems to me, being at the low end of the totem pole of the Recording Industry that there are many people who something like this might've gone through, or not gone through, or got mixed up with.
No, trust me...Management knows. That is for certain.

glitter_fades 05-31-2003 12:55 PM

Management knows and others close to the band know.

If the band members don't, heads need to roll for not letting them in on it while also not addressing it.

If somebody were put in charge to handle it, I can see not telling the band, but to ignore everything they know, and still not tell the band, that's irresponsible, in my opinion.

flyfirefly 05-31-2003 01:03 PM

Well the whole thing is irresponsible...I'd really like to flash forward a year to see how this works out.

GypsyAngel 05-31-2003 03:39 PM

Business Monthly Magazine a fake?
 
You know that "Business Monthly Magazine" front page article the Toad was supposed to be on? I looked it up on Google and the magazine itself doesn't seem to exist. Anyone been able to find it to verify it's even real? Can't you just see him creating a picture of himself on a fake magazine cover page to look good? I mean, wouldn't you think there would be a link to the article if it was real rather than just a picture of the cover? Something to think about. :nod:

Melody

seeknpeace 05-31-2003 03:42 PM

Re: Business Monthly Magazine a fake?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by GypsyAngel
You know that "Business Monthly Magazine" front page article the Toad was supposed to be on? I looked it up on Google and the magazine itself doesn't seem to exist. Anyone been able to find it to verify it's even real? Can't you just see him creating a picture of himself on a fake magazine cover page to look good? I mean, wouldn't you think there would be a link to the article if it was real rather than just a picture of the cover? Something to think about. :nod:

Melody

wouldn't that be a hoot....man,,,like when you go on vacation and have your pic done like you are on the front of Life mag..hahahahaha..If that was true, that would be almost pitiful. Almost, but, not quite..hahah:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

GypsyAngel 05-31-2003 03:52 PM

"Energy MAgazine" too, doesn't seem to exist. Geez, what a loooooser this guy is if that's true huh?

:laugh:

glitter_fades 05-31-2003 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GypsyAngel
You know that "Business Monthly Magazine" front page article the Toad was supposed to be on? I looked it up on Google and the magazine itself doesn't seem to exist. Anyone been able to find it to verify it's even real? Can't you just see him creating a picture of himself on a fake magazine cover page to look good? I mean, wouldn't you think there would be a link to the article if it was real rather than just a picture of the cover? Something to think about. :nod:

Melody

It's done all the time, even with books. Hasn't anyone ever heard of Vanity Press?

People do self-publications all the time for promotion purposes. It's quite phony but if nobody catches on you can become a real big shot.

Now that we're in the computer age people can publish their own magazines and websites saying how great they are, leaving out the fact they're the author/publisher of their own praise. They give out online awards to themselves, too.

Is anyone really surprised he'd do this?


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