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Nicks Fan 09-12-2021 09:57 AM

Lindsey Trashed in NY Post by Opinion writer
 
It's pretty bad though comical at the numerous errors. I knew the writer was a hack when she tried to give some sort of credence to the Gold Dust Woman Book.

https://nypost.com/2021/09/11/ny-tim...its-hypocrisy/

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New York Times’ glowing profile of Lindsey Buckingham shows its hypocrisy
By Maureen Callahan
September 11, 2021 11:49am Updated
Maureen Callahan

Just when you think The New York Times couldn’t get any more hypocritical, here comes a glowing profile of a known abuser, a man who victimized his famous girlfriend-slash-bandmate over the years — but you won’t see one word about it.

In fact, the paper of record valorizes him.

“Lindsey Buckingham Has Survived It All,” goes the headline to Lindsay Zoladz’s profile. Incredibly, this female journalist plays along with Buckingham as he wonders why Stevie Nicks ignores him.

“Buckingham isn’t sure what it would take to get them to hash things out,” Zoladz writes, “but he is open to mending fences.”

How generous of him. How egregious of Zoladz and the Times.

Buckingham’s abuse of Nicks was an open secret in rock ’n’ roll for decades. It was finally documented in “Gold Dust Woman,” the 2017 unauthorized biography of Nicks.

Author Stephen Davis wrote that Buckingham bullied the then-25-year-old Nicks into posing topless on their debut album cover — almost causing one of rock’s true greats to quit before she started.

After the couple joined Fleetwood Mac, Buckingham “began to lose control” over Nicks, bandmate Mick Fleetwood said, adding that Buckingham “really didn’t like it” as her independence grew

He became abusive. Nicks told her mother in 1977 that Buckingham threw her to the floor.

Nicks told her mother in 1977 that Buckingham threw her to the floor.

He tried to trip and kick her while performing onstage in 1980. He also slapped and choked Nicks during a fight in 1987, in front of the band.

“I thought he was going to kill me,” Nicks said.

Yet The New York Times looks away.

Buckingham’s real problem with Nicks, I think, is that she’s a star in ways he won’t ever be. And he’s always been, in my opinion, a nasty piece of work.

To quote the late, great Elmore Leonard: “If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you’re the asshole.”

So Lindsey Buckingham keeps trying to bring Stevie Nicks down to his level. He blames her for ousting him from the band for good, not giving the fans what they want, for being bitter because — wait for it — he has children and she does not.

Over at Rolling Stone, writer Stephen Rodrick helps our so-called Great Man float this theory:

“Buckingham wonders if his ability to have a family in his late forties and early fifties was difficult on Nicks.”

Mick Fleetwood said that Buckingham “really didn’t like it” when Stevie Nicks' independence grew.
Mick Fleetwood said that Buckingham “really didn’t like it” when Stevie Nicks’ independence grew.
Newsday RM via Getty Images
There’s not much lower to go than that.

How can these publications — which pride themselves on being progressive and feminist, on the right side of history — venerate a man who presumes to know why any woman does or doesn’t have children? Who wonders this aloud, with the clear intent of humiliating Nicks? Of making her less than . . . what exactly? A woman? Is Lindsey Buckingham implying that all child-free women are inferior and angry?

I guess it still needs to be said: The reasons women don’t have children can be manifold and painful, or deliberate and freeing. But they are nobody’s business. Ever.

Like all abusers, Buckingham knew just where to hit, because Nicks felt compelled to address it.

“I was thrilled for Lindsey when he had children,” she said in part, “but I wasn’t interested in making those same life choices. Those are my decisions that I get to make for myself. I’m proud of the life choices I’ve made.”

Nicks should never have had to explain herself.

Buckingham should be ashamed.

But I’m sure he isn’t, and won’t ever be, because an adoring media refuses to put him where he belongs: in the shadows, with all the other monsters of #MeToo.


FILED UNDER DOMESTIC ABUSE FLEETWOOD MAC NEW YORK TIMES STEVIE NICKS 9/11/21

If look at the top of the article you cam email the author. I am writing a very strong rebuttal to that hack.

HomerMcvie 09-12-2021 10:23 AM

Clearly written by a Chiffonhead.

What a one sided piece of crap article.

Nicks Fan 09-12-2021 10:52 AM

I sent a long response. I basically called her out on the fact that SN had nothing to do with the GDW book and listed a ton of the factual errors in the book. I mentioned her refusal to tour in 2012 and posted Mick's words in Playboy 2012. Then I added that her attempt to throw him under the bus for an alleged tour delay is a bit much. I set her straight on those 80 and 87 incidents and called her attempt to lump Lindsey with the me too movement and the likes of Jeffery Epstein and Harvey Weinstein etc pathetic. I ended it by telling her she should her do more research before writing fluff pieces with more holes then swiss cheese.

HomerMcvie 09-12-2021 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicks Fan (Post 1269526)
I sent a long response. I basically called her out on the fact that SN had nothing to do with the GDW book and listed a ton of the factual errors in the book. I mentioned her refusal to tour in 2012 and posted Mick's words in Playboy 2012. Then I added that her attempt to throw him under the bus for an alleged tour delay is a bit much. I set her straight on those 80 and 87 incidents and called her attempt to lump Lindsey with the me too movement and the likes of Jeffery Epstein and Harvey Weinstein etc pathetic. I ended it by telling her she should her do more research before writing fluff pieces with more holes then swiss cheese.

Well done!

Yeah, referencing something that's unauthorized is amateurish, at best!

Macfan4life 09-12-2021 12:27 PM

Does this surprise anyone? The NY Post is anti NY Times. Everything the Times says, the Post automatically says the opposite. The Post is also famous for going after celebrities in negative ways. When Lindsey called Stevie and the band members Trump and the rest of the republicans.....that was the cue to the Post to go after Buckingham. Its just the sad reality. Howard Stern had Trump on his show more than anything. They even hung out together. Trump asked Stern to introduce him at the GOP convention and Stern declined and voted for Hillary and attacked Trump for his Covid response. The Post started writing hit pieces against Stern weekly. Its all so Jr High. Just remember the Post is a tabloid and not real news. If Lindsey praised Trump in some way, they would have bashed Stevie. Its pathetic the way this world works these days.

Jondalar 09-12-2021 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicks Fan (Post 1269524)
It's pretty bad though comical at the numerous errors. I knew the writer was a hack when she tried to give some sort of credence to the Gold Dust Woman Book.

https://nypost.com/2021/09/11/ny-tim...its-hypocrisy/

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New York Times’ glowing profile of Lindsey Buckingham shows its hypocrisy
By Maureen Callahan
September 11, 2021 11:49am Updated
Maureen Callahan

Just when you think The New York Times couldn’t get any more hypocritical, here comes a glowing profile of a known abuser, a man who victimized his famous girlfriend-slash-bandmate over the years — but you won’t see one word about it.

In fact, the paper of record valorizes him.

“Lindsey Buckingham Has Survived It All,” goes the headline to Lindsay Zoladz’s profile. Incredibly, this female journalist plays along with Buckingham as he wonders why Stevie Nicks ignores him.

“Buckingham isn’t sure what it would take to get them to hash things out,” Zoladz writes, “but he is open to mending fences.”

How generous of him. How egregious of Zoladz and the Times.

Buckingham’s abuse of Nicks was an open secret in rock ’n’ roll for decades. It was finally documented in “Gold Dust Woman,” the 2017 unauthorized biography of Nicks.

Author Stephen Davis wrote that Buckingham bullied the then-25-year-old Nicks into posing topless on their debut album cover — almost causing one of rock’s true greats to quit before she started.

After the couple joined Fleetwood Mac, Buckingham “began to lose control” over Nicks, bandmate Mick Fleetwood said, adding that Buckingham “really didn’t like it” as her independence grew

He became abusive. Nicks told her mother in 1977 that Buckingham threw her to the floor.

Nicks told her mother in 1977 that Buckingham threw her to the floor.

He tried to trip and kick her while performing onstage in 1980. He also slapped and choked Nicks during a fight in 1987, in front of the band.

“I thought he was going to kill me,” Nicks said.

Yet The New York Times looks away.

Buckingham’s real problem with Nicks, I think, is that she’s a star in ways he won’t ever be. And he’s always been, in my opinion, a nasty piece of work.

To quote the late, great Elmore Leonard: “If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you’re the asshole.”

So Lindsey Buckingham keeps trying to bring Stevie Nicks down to his level. He blames her for ousting him from the band for good, not giving the fans what they want, for being bitter because — wait for it — he has children and she does not.

Over at Rolling Stone, writer Stephen Rodrick helps our so-called Great Man float this theory:

“Buckingham wonders if his ability to have a family in his late forties and early fifties was difficult on Nicks.”

Mick Fleetwood said that Buckingham “really didn’t like it” when Stevie Nicks' independence grew.
Mick Fleetwood said that Buckingham “really didn’t like it” when Stevie Nicks’ independence grew.
Newsday RM via Getty Images
There’s not much lower to go than that.

How can these publications — which pride themselves on being progressive and feminist, on the right side of history — venerate a man who presumes to know why any woman does or doesn’t have children? Who wonders this aloud, with the clear intent of humiliating Nicks? Of making her less than . . . what exactly? A woman? Is Lindsey Buckingham implying that all child-free women are inferior and angry?

I guess it still needs to be said: The reasons women don’t have children can be manifold and painful, or deliberate and freeing. But they are nobody’s business. Ever.

Like all abusers, Buckingham knew just where to hit, because Nicks felt compelled to address it.

“I was thrilled for Lindsey when he had children,” she said in part, “but I wasn’t interested in making those same life choices. Those are my decisions that I get to make for myself. I’m proud of the life choices I’ve made.”

Nicks should never have had to explain herself.

Buckingham should be ashamed.

But I’m sure he isn’t, and won’t ever be, because an adoring media refuses to put him where he belongs: in the shadows, with all the other monsters of #MeToo.


FILED UNDER DOMESTIC ABUSE FLEETWOOD MAC NEW YORK TIMES STEVIE NICKS 9/11/21

If look at the top of the article you cam email the author. I am writing a very strong rebuttal to that hack.

Abuse of Nicks... Are you kidding me... Obviously if he never slapped any sense into her if it did happen... He was probably trying to get her to close her legs.

bombaysaffires 09-12-2021 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1269532)
Abuse of Nicks... Are you kidding me... Obviously if he never slapped any sense into her if it did happen... He was probably trying to get her to close her legs.

her legs being open or closed and with whom is none of your business and certainly none of Lindsey's business.

And if you think the men in this band weren't also sluts, I have a bridge to sell you

Oh and one doesn't "slap sense" into anyone, for any reason.

michelej1 09-12-2021 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicks Fan (Post 1269526)
I sent a long response. I basically called her out on the fact that SN had nothing to do with the GDW book and listed a ton of the factual errors in the book. I mentioned her refusal to tour in 2012 and posted Mick's words in Playboy 2012. Then I added that her attempt to throw him under the bus for an alleged tour delay is a bit much. I set her straight on those 80 and 87 incidents and called her attempt to lump Lindsey with the me too movement and the likes of Jeffery Epstein and Harvey Weinstein etc pathetic. I ended it by telling her she should her do more research before writing fluff pieces with more holes then swiss cheese.

Wonderful.

aleuzzi 09-12-2021 06:54 PM

Oh, so Stevie almost quit the business after her musical and romantic partner bullied her into posing topless for the BN cover? Puh-leez.

The sad thing about the “article” / opinion piece is most of the trash it talks has been cited elsewhere either by Delusia Donna herself or by her legions of worshippers…

A classic case of how an assertion, however suspect, becomes widely-held as true-ish just by being repeated. We don’t know what happened at that photo shoot, and it is not certain that LB abuses women.

Jondalar 09-13-2021 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1269535)
her legs being open or closed and with whom is none of your business and certainly none of Lindsey's business.

And if you think the men in this band weren't also sluts, I have a bridge to sell you

Oh and one doesn't "slap sense" into anyone, for any reason.


Well I made it my business.

aleuzzi 09-13-2021 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1269535)
her legs being open or closed and with whom is none of your business and certainly none of Lindsey's business.

And if you think the men in this band weren't also sluts, I have a bridge to sell you...

I agree. As much as Stevie's behavior has annoyed and sometimes even disturbed me, I am not at all concerned with (nor do I have a right to be concerned with) whomever she chooses to have sex with wherever and whenever. The slut shaming regarding her is appalling. If in the likely event the Mac men in the Rumours lineup were certifiable man whores, would we react the same way? It's a rhetorical question.

michelej1 09-13-2021 11:59 AM

Mick is most certainly a slut and no, no one has called him on it.

Jondalar 09-13-2021 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1269558)
Mick is most certainly a slut and no, no one has called him on it.

Mick is worse than a slut. Lindsey saved his band and he treated him like ****. He is bad person He would. do anything for money.

HomerMcvie 09-13-2021 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1269560)
Mick is worse than a slut. Lindsey saved his band and he treated him like ****. He is bad person He would. do anything for money.

Mick is the worst. He has no quality of character, other than being a likable LOSER.

Smart, he is not. At ALL. His dumbf*ckery knows no bounds.

Nathan 09-13-2021 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1269532)
Abuse of Nicks... Are you kidding me... Obviously if he never slapped any sense into her if it did happen... He was probably trying to get her to close her legs.

Wow, even for you, this post sinks to a new level of shameful.

What if someone decided to slap some sense into your daughter/sister/niece because they they thought she should close her legs?

What a level of discourse you bring here. As usual.

Nathan 09-13-2021 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1269531)
Does this surprise anyone? The NY Post is anti NY Times. Everything the Times says, the Post automatically says the opposite. The Post is also famous for going after celebrities in negative ways. When Lindsey called Stevie and the band members Trump and the rest of the republicans.....that was the cue to the Post to go after Buckingham. Its just the sad reality. Howard Stern had Trump on his show more than anything. They even hung out together. Trump asked Stern to introduce him at the GOP convention and Stern declined and voted for Hillary and attacked Trump for his Covid response. The Post started writing hit pieces against Stern weekly. Its all so Jr High. Just remember the Post is a tabloid and not real news. If Lindsey praised Trump in some way, they would have bashed Stevie. Its pathetic the way this world works these days.

Thank you for doing that! I have seen that unauthorized biography cited in more than one article of late. Drives me nuts! I suppose they are going for clicks though, and in this day and age, it seems an article like this will get them. I don’t think the NYT is quite the reputable source it was once considered to be though. I have suspected it would only be a matter of time before they tried to me-too LB. Doesn’t seem like this will be a successful effort though. The article is too hectic and amateurish, was my thought after reading it a few days ago.

anusha 09-14-2021 11:49 AM

Let's not also forget that Stevie has a powerful publicist who could easily plant stories in the NY Post -- it's not that hard to do. Same with Irving Azoff. It seems to me that the NY Post could easily have been tipped by someone wanting a nasty article about Lindsey to come out. The fact that Vanessa Carlton has tweeted about these allegations on multiple occasions makes me believe this is coming from Stevie's camp.

As for the facts -- Lindsey's history is problematic. There are multiple accounts of physically violent incidents with women that have been recounted by multiple people close to the band, and for me there's enough there to believe that it happened. By all accounts he has done the work to change himself and is not drinking/drugging as was the case when the violent incidents allegedly. I have not heard any account of whether this conduct occurred between him and Stevie that has convinced me, but she has a right not to want to work with him for this reason, any reason or no reason at all. However, to the extent that she and/or her camp are using these allegations to take him down to save her reputation though, it strikes me as especially nasty. Sadly, this stuff is alway going to be somewhat of a ticking time bomb for Lindsey, so one wonders if the intent is to try to get him to back off by scaring him.

bombaysaffires 09-14-2021 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anusha (Post 1269584)
Let's not also forget that Stevie has a powerful publicist who could easily plant stories in the NY Post -- it's not that hard to do. Same with Irving Azoff. It seems to me that the NY Post could easily have been tipped by someone wanting a nasty article about Lindsey to come out. The fact that Vanessa Carlton has tweeted about these allegations on multiple occasions makes me believe this is coming from Stevie's camp.

As for the facts -- Lindsey's history is problematic. There are multiple accounts of physically violent incidents with women that have been recounted by multiple people close to the band, and for me there's enough there to believe that it happened. By all accounts he has done the work to change himself and is not drinking/drugging as was the case when the violent incidents allegedly. I have not heard any account of whether this conduct occurred between him and Stevie that has convinced me, but she has a right not to want to work with him for this reason, any reason or no reason at all. However, to the extent that she and/or her camp are using these allegations to take him down to save her reputation though, it strikes me as especially nasty. Sadly, this stuff is alway going to be somewhat of a ticking time bomb for Lindsey, so one wonders if the intent is to try to get him to back off by scaring him.

Agree.

She said in her statement that the Music Cares event was "exceedingly difficult" interaction with him... wtf does that even mean? It's so vague that it's useless.

BigAl84 09-14-2021 03:40 PM

oddly enough, they've got their arms wrapped around each other here.

https://www.gettyimages.ie/detail/ne...?adppopup=true

bombaysaffires 09-14-2021 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1269597)
oddly enough, they've got their arms wrapped around each other here.

https://www.gettyimages.ie/detail/ne...?adppopup=true

more accurately, her arms wrapped around his.
His arms are to himself with his hands clasped in front of him. This is all her.

HomerMcvie 09-14-2021 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1269598)
more accurately, her arms wrapped around his.
His arms are to himself with his hands clasped in front of him. This is all her.

But she's a VICTIM of this mean, mean man!

She owes him everything. Without him, she'd be some retired waitress, living on $700/ month social security.

UnwindedDreams 09-14-2021 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1269598)
more accurately, her arms wrapped around his.
His arms are to himself with his hands clasped in front of him. This is all her.

According to Stevie worshippers, she can't be taken seriously here because it's performance.
It's Lindsey's fault for having his arm in between her wrists.

BigAl84 09-14-2021 07:33 PM

I still want to know WTF happened at music cares. In that recent podcast he still didn’t reveal all that happened. The smirking issue is well known and early reports stated there was an issue about what song they were going to walk out to. I’d wish he would clear the air and tell all the details.

mitzo 09-14-2021 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1269602)
I still want to know WTF happened at music cares. In that recent podcast he still didn’t reveal all that happened. The smirking issue is well known and early reports stated there was an issue about what song they were going to walk out to. I’d wish he would clear the air and tell all the details.

The breaking point was probably reached backstage off camera.

bombaysaffires 09-14-2021 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1269602)
I still want to know WTF happened at music cares. In that recent podcast he still didn’t reveal all that happened. The smirking issue is well known and early reports stated there was an issue about what song they were going to walk out to. I’d wish he would clear the air and tell all the details.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mitzo (Post 1269604)
The breaking point was probably reached backstage off camera.

yes, off stage.

But it would be interesting to know what it was... in her statement she described it as an "exceedingly difficult time with Lindsey at Music Cares"

I mean, I think we would all not be surprised at them having a "difficult" time with each other anywhere....but "exceedingly" so??

BigAl84 09-14-2021 09:27 PM

Makes me wonder if it had to do with Harry Styles performing with them and neither Lindsey or Stevie want to drag him into it. Who knows.

jmn3 09-15-2021 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1269606)
Makes me wonder if it had to do with Harry Styles performing with them and neither Lindsey or Stevie want to drag him into it. Who knows.

I always thought that was a weird thing to do having him on stage with them and clearly it screams of Stevie.

BigAl84 09-15-2021 08:05 AM

We know Harry is managed by Irving, so it makes me wonder how much of the Harry Styles inclusion was decided by Irving and Stevie and not so much the rest of the band.

bombaysaffires 09-15-2021 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1269611)
We know Harry is managed by Irving, so it makes me wonder how much of the Harry Styles inclusion was decided by Irving and Stevie and not so much the rest of the band.

Same with Vanessa Carlton. At some point they had the same manager and they used Stevie to give Vanessa higher visibility and used Vanessa to give Stevie more cred or whatever with a younger demographic.

jmn3 09-15-2021 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1269635)
Same with Vanessa Carlton. At some point they had the same manager and they used Stevie to give Vanessa higher visibility and used Vanessa to give Stevie more cred or whatever with a younger demographic.

Serious question - was Vanessa Carlton ever someone who would’ve helped give cred with the younger crowd to an aging rock star like Nicks? I mean seriously, her star level was never great was it? I speak as someone exactly Vanessa’s age. I asked before if her 15 minutes weren’t up already but I’d really have to challenge if she ever had it in the first place. Her songs are largely generic forgettable junk IMO.

Nicks Fan 09-15-2021 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmn3 (Post 1269644)
Serious question - was Vanessa Carlton ever someone who would’ve helped give cred with the younger crowd to an aging rock star like Nicks? I mean seriously, her star level was never great was it? I speak as someone exactly Vanessa’s age. I asked before if her 15 minutes weren’t up already but I’d really have to challenge if she ever had it in the first place. Her songs are largely generic forgettable junk IMO.

If I recall correctly her first album did well as did the second but by album
3 she was basically a has been. She was on a major label for first 2-3 albums
(Maverick I think) then she was on Island/ Def Jam followed by Razor and Tie Records. Not sure what label she’s on now but her tours are very small clubs and theatres. She played my city of Ottawa in 2015 at a club that holds about 500. I saw her there and the set list sucked. She played Carousel then White Houses followed by. 7-8 new songs off of the new Lieberman Album then for the encores did 1000 Miles and 2 other songs I can’t remember but they weren’t from the new CD.

I wouldn’t cross the street to see her now.


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