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darklinensuit 07-13-2005 02:04 AM

Help A Guy: Does Length Really Matter?
 
Just wondering which songs you think go on too long, and which ones are too short.

For me, I think Lindsey's I'm So Afraid (live), Not That Funny (live), and GYOW are too long, but Without A Leg To Stand On and Doesn't Anything Last would be even better with more.

I like the length of most Stevie songs, but I get irritated by the endless endings of the Practical Magic Crystal & RAL's Has Anyone Ever Written Anything For You. It's Only Love is fine, but I wouldn't mind it if it were a bit longer.

For Christine, I'd love it if Homeward Bound, All Over Again, and Honey Hi were longer. Love Shines and Skies The Limit go on too long for my taste.

Hotel California is a good song that goes on toooo long. Same with Hey Jude. I wish Eleanor Rigby were longer.

- Jake

diamondsnake 07-13-2005 02:07 AM

Okay, your thread title is really wierd! I thought you were talking about something else.

Anyways, I would say that length matters in concert. I almost got bored during the endless Standback drum solo and Edge guitar solo. On the albums, I'm not really bothered by it.

Janet 07-13-2005 02:07 AM

Width, its all about width and the motion of the ocean LOL

diamondsnake 07-13-2005 02:10 AM

Christine's I'd Rather Go Blind is way too short!!! Honey Hi is pretty short too.

darklinensuit 07-13-2005 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by diamondsnake
Okay, your thread title is really wierd! I thought you were talking about something else.

I was kidding.
Oy, youth. :rolleyes: ;)

- Jake

estranged4life 07-13-2005 02:14 AM

Well...
 
if the music can keep my attention then I dont mind excessive lengthy songs, Look at Dream Theater's "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" set, The shortest track clocks in at 6:46 while the title track (Which is the whole of disc #2) clocks in at 42:04 in length (The title track of DT's "Octavarium" clocks in at 24:00 :nod: I'm glad DT's songs are lengthy, No chance of hearing 'em played on the blandness which is radio) much longer than any Fleetwood Mac/Eagles/Beatles/etc music...

Mainly just depends on what type of music you like or if you a person who can enjoy the musical instrumentation moreso than the lyrical content (Which fits me to a "T")

I am more a progressive metal fan than a fan of the "jam-band" genre dominated by the Grateful Dead & Phish.

darklinensuit 07-13-2005 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Janet
Width, its all about width and the motion of the ocean LOL

That was the gist of Elaine Boosler's act when I saw her years ago.

- Jake

xdreamsunwindx 07-13-2005 02:15 AM

This thread title made me giggle like a catholic schoolgirl in sex ed.

Anyways, Sara is waaaaaaaaaay too long. What happened to two and a half minute songs? I miss you, punk rock! :{

darklinensuit 07-13-2005 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DeadliestPoison
Sara. Goes on WAAAAY too long. My God.

I used to think so as well but now I love it. Amazing that the album edit seems almost too long, but the cleaning lady (longer) version is just right. Guess it's that I love the additional lyrics and all the oooh-aaah harmonies at the end.

- Jake

darklinensuit 07-13-2005 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by estranged4life
if the music can keep my attention then I dont mind excessive lengthy songs, Look at Dream Theater's "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" set, The shortest track clocks in at 6:46 while the title track (Which is the whole of disc #2) clocks in at 42:04 in length (The title track of DT's "Octavarium" clocks in at 24:00 :nod: I'm glad DT's songs are lengthy, No chance of hearing 'em played on the blandness which is radio) much longer than any Fleetwood Mac/Eagles/Beatles/etc music...

Mainly just depends on what type of music you like or if you a person who can enjoy the musical instrumentation moreso than the lyrical content (Which fits me to a "T")

I am more a progressive metal fan than a fan of the "jam-band" genre dominated by the Grateful Dead & Phish.

I don't know it but generally I need lyrics, not being a musician myself.

- Jake

darklinensuit 07-13-2005 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by xdreamsunwindx
This thread title made me giggle like a catholic schoolgirl in sex ed

Keep it in your pants, Brittney. :cool: :lol:

- Jake

darklinensuit 07-13-2005 02:21 AM

I'll add that American Pie is too long. Even the radio edit version.

- Jake

GypsySorcerer 07-13-2005 02:22 AM

Sisters of the Moon -- too much intro.

ryan8472 07-13-2005 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by darklinensuit
I'll add that American Pie is too long. Even the radio edit version.

- Jake

Any version of it is too long for me. I hate that song!

darklinensuit 07-13-2005 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer
Sisters of the Moon -- too much intro.

To each his own. I love it. :blob2:

- Jake

GypsySorcerer 07-13-2005 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by darklinensuit
To each his own. I love it. :blob2:

- Jake

Ahem. To each HER own, please. :mad:

darklinensuit 07-13-2005 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ryan8472
Any version of it is too long for me. I hate that song!

I do too, but not equally. Madonna's took talent to make such a bad song unbearable in a way that was novel and trite at the same time.

- Jake

diamondsnake 07-13-2005 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ryan8472
Any version of it is too long for me. I hate that song!

I love the Madonna version.

darklinensuit 07-13-2005 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer
Ahem. To each HER own, please. :mad:

I almost typed that, and then thought, hey, who'll care? Sorry.

- Jake

diamondsnake 07-13-2005 02:30 AM

The intro to In the Back of My Mind is unbearably long! It is pretty cool, but I don't have time to sit there and listen to two minutes of an alien invasion.

GypsySorcerer 07-13-2005 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by darklinensuit
I almost typed that, and then thought, hey, who'll care? Sorry.

- Jake

I was joshin' ya, dear. English geeks care. :lol:

estranged4life 07-13-2005 02:31 AM

True...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by darklinensuit
I don't know it but generally I need lyrics, not being a musician myself.

- Jake

if you are musically inclined you tend to want to listen to longer musical compositions...Whereas if not you tend to listen to shorter more focused songs.

I like short songs as long as they catch my attention, Don't wanna hear a rehash of something that is similar to something that has already been done before :nod:

GypsySorcerer 07-13-2005 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ryan8472
Any version of it is too long for me. I hate that song!

*sigh* You young kids these days. ;)

darklinensuit 07-13-2005 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by diamondsnake
The intro to In the Back of My Mind is unbearably long! It is pretty cool, but I don't have time to sit there and listen to two minutes of an alien invasion.

I thought so too but it was great when it opened the Mask show I saw. After the weird & long into went on building suspense, just before the real vocals started the mask walls flipped up & the band was revealed. The crowd went crazy when the spotlights focused on Chris & Stevie for their successive vocals. Great way to introduce each member.

- Jake

darklinensuit 07-13-2005 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer
I was joshin' ya, dear. English geeks care. :lol:

And so did the womyn at my college.
And I care, too.
Hey, at least I didn't write To each their own. :distress:

- Jake

Stevie_Buck 07-13-2005 02:41 AM

"Without a Leg..." is really short... as is "Still of The Night"

Any Skynyrd song is Hell!

GypsySorcerer 07-13-2005 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by darklinensuit
And so did the womyn at my college.
And I care, too.
Hey, at least I didn't write To each their own. :distress:

- Jake

Very good. :)

mylittledemon 07-13-2005 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by darklinensuit
Just wondering which songs you think go on too long, and which ones are too short.

For me, I think Lindsey's I'm So Afraid (live), Not That Funny (live), and GYOW are too long, but Without A Leg To Stand On and Doesn't Anything Last would be even better with more.

- Jake


Yeah I was about to start discussing the size of....er...nevermind.

If you change the length of the song, such as So Afraid and GYOW, then you've heavily altered it. I dont think I'm So Afraid would be what it is without that 3 minute solo at the end. Besides, Lindsey is just so good at it, it's intrigues me every time I watch him. I would agree about Not That Funny...but remember when you're at the shows and in that environment, the length of those songs is good for theatrics. It doesnt translate as well to a stereo-mixed CD.

dissention 07-13-2005 07:59 AM

Say You Will is too long. With what she has to work with, it shouldn't be more than two and a half minutes. After that, it gets ridiculously cloying.

The Practical Magic version of Crystal is putrid. Six minutes of that should be mass-marketed in pill form as a cure for insomnia.

Not That Funny live is fun for awhile, but after so long, you just want him to get off already and stop his orgasmic moaning.

Free Bird is toooooooooooo long. A second of that sucker is too long, but the one they put on record is pure torture. I imagine having my testicles poked at with a soldering tool would be more pleasant than listening to that thing in it's entirety. The vocal on that song drives me mad, too.

The Ledge is short and sweet, and I like that, but I wouldn't mind if it was longer.

Emmylou Harris' Little Bird is too damned short. Another minute would be great.

As much as I love Bowie's song Sunday, it drives me bonkers that it ends as soon as it kicks into gear. The live versions are great because they go on for a bit longer.

skcin 07-13-2005 09:23 AM

^ I agree with everything Diss just posted :shocked: ^




Except the Free Bird stuff. I love Free Bird.

darklinensuit 07-13-2005 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Say You Will is too long. With what she has to work with, it shouldn't be more than two and a half minutes. After that, it gets ridiculously cloying.



Free Bird is toooooooooooo long. A second of that sucker is too long, but the one they put on record is pure torture. I imagine having my testicles poked at with a soldering tool would be more pleasant than listening to that thing in it's entirety.

Yeah, like you need to imagine. ;)

I know most posters agree about SYW, but I think it's fine.

Come, on the other hand... (And not one comment about my phrasing, thank you.)

- Jake

darklinensuit 07-13-2005 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mylittledemon
If you change the length of the song, such as So Afraid and GYOW, then you've heavily altered it.

I get that, & I'd be all for it.

- Jake

darklinensuit 07-13-2005 10:48 AM

Another one that is agonizingly long is Hollywood on the Time album. It pains me.

- Jake

face of glass 07-13-2005 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by darklinensuit
Another one that is agonizingly long is Hollywood on the Time album. It pains me.

On the other hand "These Strange Times" should be a lot longer than it is, in order to include more verses about every member of FM. ;)

darklinensuit 07-13-2005 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by face of glass
On the other hand "These Strange Times" should be a lot longer than it is, in order to include more verses about every member of FM. ;)

Listen, nobody likes a wise-ass lizard person. ;)

- Jake

amber 07-13-2005 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer
Sisters of the Moon -- too much intro.

Blasphemer!! I can't get enough of John's bass!
The end of Come goes on way to long. But I think that about most guitar solos. Oh, so, add the end of ISA from the Dance, too.

chiliD 07-13-2005 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by diamondsnake
The intro to In the Back of My Mind is unbearably long! It is pretty cool, but I don't have time to sit there and listen to two minutes of an alien invasion.

Jeez, after "Oh Well", that's the best two minutes of Fleetwood Mac's career. :shrug:


The live versions of the Allman Bros Band's "In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed", "Whipping Post", Fleetwood Mac's "Rattlesnake Shake", Blind Faith's "Do What You Like", Cream's "Spoonful" can never be deemed "too long".

Yet, Skynyrd's "Free Bird" is "too long" at the first chord change.

darklinensuit 07-13-2005 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by amber
Blasphemer!! I can't get enough of John's bass!
The end of Come goes on way to long. But I think that about most guitar solos. Oh, so, add the end of ISA from the Dance, too.

:nod: :xoxo:

- Jake

madformac 07-13-2005 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by amber
Oh, so, add the end of ISA from the Dance, too.

That's the most appalling thing I've ever heard... :eek: :blob2: :lol:


ISA Dance Version is perfect....
:nod:

amber 07-13-2005 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by darklinensuit
:nod: :xoxo:

- Jake

kisses? for me?

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Originally Posted by madformac
That's the most appalling thing I've ever heard...


ISA Dance Version is perfect....

Yes, I figured I'd hear from you, or other super guitar heads, on that one. Sorry, I'm sure it's brill and all, it just gets old for me. And jake's kiss outweighs your appallation. :laugh: Maybe in the far future, when I get really good on guitar ( :rolleyes: ) I'll change my mind. But probably not.


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