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David 06-01-2005 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
They should have picked songs they could actually sing fairly well at 8 in the morning. Rhiannon and SYW were not good choices, IMO. :shrug:

I liked watching them perform on that show because they were cold, & there's something about cold weather -- have you ever noticed? -- that makes the performer look sort of more alert & vibrant, I guess because your body is burning more calories trying to stay warm.

As opposed to extreme heat, which makes people look sluggish & lethargic & a little sick.

strandinthewind 06-01-2005 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by David
TV didn't change anybody's minds. I bet the only people talking about that TV appearance were we fans.

and, respectfully, you'd be wrong. The radio stations here panned them the morning after and I heard people who are not fans laughing about how bad it was. So, the nonfans saw it and were talking about it. Interestingly, for any of those millions who watch that very popular show who would even think about maybe buying that record, that ruined it. But, I agree with you that SYW was never going to sell millions of records outside of some fluke.

ontheEdgeof17 06-01-2005 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
It was both of them. :shrug: He stunk, vocally and musically, and she was lethargic and half-assed. It was Dullsville through and through.


I loved her scarf.

Yup. That's it.


Oh, the GYOW/Peacekeeper intro....I roll in laughter everytime I watch it. Lindsey LOOKED PISSED! :thumbsup:

dissention 06-01-2005 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by David
TV didn't change anybody's minds. I bet the only people talking about that TV appearance were we fans.

Everyone who wanted SYW bought it. The millions who didn't want it ... didn't buy it. Their minds weren't changed by TV appearances in freezing-cold weather or other aspects of "promotion" -- they just didn't want it to begin with. What would a typical System of a Down headbanger fan want with "Say You Will"? to use as a clay pigeon?

Say You Will was very heavily promoted by Warners. Songs were showcased on three television shows (That 70s Show, Third Watch, and Friends), the band was named the Artist of the Month by AOL (owned by Warners, surprise surprise), they appeared on the top-rated morning show and the top-rated late night show, there were commercials for the album which gave you a number to order it, the first single got rather decent airplay, etc.

And after all of that, the album only sold 800,000. It only proves that you're 100% correct in your assertion that not a whole helluva lot of people were interested in it. They can promote it until everyone in the Western Hemisphere knows that it's in stores, but if they don't want it, they're aren't going to buy it. And that's exactly what happened.

strandinthewind 06-01-2005 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Say You Will was very heavily promoted by Warners. Songs were showcased on three television shows (That 70s Show, Third Watch, and Friends), the band was named the Artist of the Month by AOL (owned by Warners, surprise surprise), they appeared on the top-rated morning show and the top-rated late night show, there were commercials for the album which gave you a number to order it, the first single got rather decent airplay, etc.

And after all of that, the album only sold 800,000. It only proves that you're 100% correct in your assertion that not a whole helluva lot of people were interested in it. They can promote it until everyone in the Western Hemisphere knows that it's in stores, but if they don't want it, they're aren't going to buy it. And that's exactly what happened.


ITA - and that is sad to me, but that is the way it is.

dissention 06-01-2005 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
I loved her scarf.

Yup. That's it.

The only thing I could focus on was her coat. If it was real, someone should have pulled a Joan Rivers on her ass.

strandinthewind 06-01-2005 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
The only thing I could focus on was her coat. If it was real, someone should have pulled a Joan Rivers on her ass.


then how could you know how bad they were if all you were doing is watching the coat :lol: :lol: :lol:

SWISH :woohoo:

dissention 06-01-2005 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
then how could you know how bad they were if all you were doing is watching the coat :lol: :lol: :lol:

SWISH :woohoo:

Because my ears were bleeding at the same time I was imagining throwing red paint all over Nicks.

lagringader&r 06-01-2005 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Say You Will was very heavily promoted by Warners. Songs were showcased on three television shows (That 70s Show, Third Watch, and Friends), the band was named the Artist of the Month by AOL (owned by Warners, surprise surprise), they appeared on the top-rated morning show and the top-rated late night show, there were commercials for the album which gave you a number to order it, the first single got rather decent airplay, etc.

And after all of that, the album only sold 800,000. It only proves that you're 100% correct in your assertion that not a whole helluva lot of people were interested in it. They can promote it until everyone in the Western Hemisphere knows that it's in stores, but if they don't want it, they're aren't going to buy it. And that's exactly what happened.

And possibly FM has realized this and made the decision to "throw in the towel"? However sad that might be for us..

lagringader&r 06-01-2005 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
Oh, the GYOW/Peacekeeper intro....I roll in laughter everytime I watch it. Lindsey LOOKED PISSED! :thumbsup:

Can you elaborate? I didn't see this appearance. What happened? :confused:

strandinthewind 06-01-2005 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Because my ears were bleeding at the same time I was imagining throwing red paint all over Nicks.


so you were red and wanted her to be red :laugh:

BTW - I get that animal rights people are nuts, but if anyone ever through red paint on me, I would try and resist the urge to respond in kind to their battery by beating the living hell out of them and instead I would have them thrown in jail, press full charges, make sure they stayed there a long long time, and then sue the living crap out of them :wavey:

dissention 06-01-2005 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by strandinthewind
so you were red and wanted her to be red. BTW - I get that animal rights people are nuts, but if anyone ever through red paint on me, I would try and resist the urge to respond in kind to their battery by beating the living hell out of them and instead I would have them trown in jail, press full charges, make sure they stayed there a long long time, and then sue the living crap out of them :wavey:

Then don't kill animals for fur. Simple as that. I think it says a lot about someone who can skin an animal without a care in the world just for fashion and then walk around wearing said skin. Makes me vomit.

ontheEdgeof17 06-01-2005 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by lagringader&r
Can you elaborate? I didn't see this appearance. What happened? :confused:


The band started playing Peacekeeper and Lindsey started GYOW. It's a riot! :laugh: Quite a combo.


Sounds like they had a sudden change in the set that the band didn't know about.

strandinthewind 06-01-2005 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Then don't kill animals for fur. Simple as that. I think it says a lot about someone who can skin an animal without a care in the world just for fashion and then walk around wearing said skin. Makes me vomit.


No, destroying anyone's property is just wrong regardless of how you or anyone else feels about it. AND - the law fully supports me on this. If someone does not want fur in clothing, they need to get some to rule it illegal or get it made against the law vis the legislature. But, taking the law into one's own hands is just stupid and anytime anyone does that, they better be prepared to pay for the consequences of it. I mean what if that paint blinded someone or caused them to suffocate because they were allegeric to it? What if it caused them to silp and fall and injure or kill themselves? Would that be worth it? Would that achieve any goal other than saisfying personal rage? No, it would not. Thus, throwing things at people is assinine.

lagringader&r 06-01-2005 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by ontheEdgeof17
The band started playing Peacekeeper and Lindsey started GYOW. It's a riot! :laugh: Quite a combo.


Sounds like they had a sudden change in the set that the band didn't know about.

Oh sh*t! :lol:

Were they able to laugh it off? How long did it take the band to stop? I didn't see it, so sorry for all the questions. Was it all of FM or just Stevie and Lindsey with the house band? Gawd! I wish I'd seen this!


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