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CarneVaca 08-12-2004 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sodascouts
Now, why would one do this? Answer: because one was still stewing about the unfairness of the strike-givers in one's own case. It sounds complicated written out, but the connection itself is not a outrageous one to make.

Well, Nancy, an injustice does not over time turn into an act of fairness in some miraculous way.

CarneVaca 08-12-2004 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
I take it back then... you weren't being hypocritical. My apologies.

Thank you, Johnny.

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Hopefully GretaRhiannon also felt that she was engaging in "fun repartée" and wasn't being insulted.
Then she should let us know.

cliffdweller 08-12-2004 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Villavic
Would be good if you guys open another thread for discussing about the avatar. I'm getting confused.

About being a fan, I think a fan should know (not necessarily like) more about the works beyond the singles. Not necessarily own every album, but maybe a few.

Im my opinion, What does make you a fan? I guess when you...

- Like most of the hits
- know the name of the members
- like several more songs (not necessarily singles)
- try to own some merchandise, and wear it or use it on your bedroom (posters, cups, etc)
- try to go to their concerts
- look for a radio or videos special

and a radical fan...
- read their biography
- sing their songs in the shower, or in your bedroom (using the brush as microphone)
- find a song on the radio, and listen to it, even when you already got it in cd, tape, mp3, etc..
- wait for the next album
- wait for remastered or new releases
- tell your friends you are a fan (and annoy them repeating it to death)


:wavey: radical fan here.

skcin 08-12-2004 09:55 AM

I think the original issue was not that people shouldn't be casual fans. It's that GretaRhiannon get perturbed when someone claims to be a HUGE fan & they don't even have the basic stuff.

I have a friend that considers himself a HUGE Mac & Stevie fan, yet he only owns a few albums. Ummm...no, sorry. Sure, you like them, but you're not their "biggest fan." I love all kinds of music, but I'm not about to claim that a band is my all-time favorite group, hands down, unless I have all of their albums, at the very least. I'm not talking about boots or rare imports, either.

I don't fault anyone for not knowing EVERYTHING about Mac, I'm sure I don't either. But don't claim that you do - how many of us have heard someone say "yeah, S&L used to be married" or "I saw them when they toured in 1984" etc, etc.

Paula
*just realized she defended that fact that she's slightly obsessed* :sorry:

cliffdweller 08-12-2004 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by skcin
I think the original issue was not that people shouldn't be casual fans. It's that GretaRhiannon get perturbed when someone claims to be a HUGE fan & they don't even have the basic stuff.

I have a friend that considers himself a HUGE Mac & Stevie fan, yet he only owns a few albums. Ummm...no, sorry. Sure, you like them, but you're not their "biggest fan." I love all kinds of music, but I'm not about to claim that a band is my all-time favorite group, hands down, unless I have all of their albums, at the very least. I'm not talking about boots or rare imports, either.

I don't fault anyone for not knowing EVERYTHING about Mac, I'm sure I don't either. But don't claim that you do - how many of us have heard someone say "yeah, S&L used to be married" or "I saw them when they toured in 1984" etc, etc.

Paula
*just realized she defended that fact that she's slightly obsessed* :sorry:

I tend to agree with you Paula. I think being a superfan means at least listening to everything the band has to offer, whether or not you like what you hear is up to you.

The problem with Fleetwood Mac, however, is that they have spanned from the 60's to now---that means a lot of personnel changes, and a lot of different kinds of music being made. I don't expect even hard core Fleetwood Mac fans to have listened to everything from Peter Green to current day Mac, it's almost asking too much especially when you consider the popularity of the Rumours line-up which just about obliterated every other Mac formation at least in the general public's eyes. No matter if you like from the inception to current day Mac, one tends to favor a certain era over another and I happen to favor the Rumours line-up and have only heard a few albums of stuff from before B/N joined and a handful of stuff after Lindsey left; call it a matter of taste preferring one genre over the other, plus I've never been a big fan of the blues or heavily blues inspired rock, sorry Pre-Rumours fans.

skcin 08-12-2004 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by cliffdweller
I tend to agree with you Paula. I think being a superfan means at least listening to everything the band has to offer, whether or not you like what you hear is up to you.

The problem with Fleetwood Mac, however, is that they have spanned from the 60's to now---that means a lot of personnel changes, and a lot of different kinds of music being made. I don't expect even hard core Fleetwood Mac fans to have listened to everything from Peter Green to current day Mac, it's almost asking too much especially when you consider the popularity of the Rumours line-up which just about obliterated every other Mac formation at least in the general public's eyes. No matter if you like from the inception to current day Mac, one tends to favor a certain era over another and I happen to favor the Rumours line-up and have only heard a few albums of stuff from before B/N joined and a handful of stuff after Lindsey left; call it a matter of taste preferring one genre over the other, plus I've never been a big fan of the blues or heavily blues inspired rock, sorry Pre-Rumours fans.


I agree. I tend to let people know that I'm into the BN era of the Mac, pretty much exclusively. It's almost like 2 different bands, their sound is just so much different.

And like you said, you don't have to like EVERYTHING, but at least know what the hell you're talking about.

Paula

Paula

wondergirl9847 08-12-2004 11:39 AM

Folks...
 
Not every album from Peter Green's FM to Rumours is blues tho. Danny Kirwan and Bob Welch took the band in a TOTALLY different direction. Bob has that jazzy feel to his music, and Danny, I've always thought is a mixture of Lindsey and Stevie.

Fine if you don't like the blues, I don't particularly care for it myself, but Then Play On is a really great album. I think everyone should at least give the pre SnL albums a listen, if you just don't care for it, cool, but hey, give 'em a try. :)

cliffdweller 08-12-2004 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by wondergirl9847
Bob has that jazzy feel to his music

Fine if you don't like the blues, I don't particularly care for it myself, but Then Play On is a really great album. I think everyone should at least give the pre SnL albums a listen, if you just don't care for it, cool, but hey, give 'em a try. :)

Not into jazzy, sorry.

Since Stevie and Lindsey are the reasons why I love Fleetwood Mac, I've just never been motivated to delve deeply into the non-Rumours line-ups. Like I said, I've heard a handful of the other stuff, I just didn't connect with it. But I'll take your word for it and give "Then Play On" another listen.

wondergirl9847 08-12-2004 12:11 PM

Well...
 
If you love SnL, I think you'll mostly connect with Danny. That's just my opinion tho because I'm that way. My fave pre Rumours albums are Bare Trees, Future Games and Mystery to Me, although I listen to the first two more often, because of Danny. I made a set of CD's of my fave songs and as far as Pre SnL, it's mostly his songs. I would say, since Mystery to Me is ALOT of people's favorite album, listen to that first, then go towards Bare Trees, then Future Games, then Then Play On, etc.

Lindsey is the reason I love FM, but Stevie is rad and I adore Danny. Everyone is different tho. I'm not a huge fan of the Madge songs on Then Play On, but that's just me, lots of people like them.

Happy listening!! :)

sodascouts 08-12-2004 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by wondergirl9847
If you love SnL, I think you'll mostly connect with Danny.

I love SnL, and Danny is my pre-BN favorite. You many be on to something here, Christy!

skcin 08-12-2004 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by wondergirl9847
Not every album from Peter Green's FM to Rumours is blues tho. Danny Kirwan and Bob Welch took the band in a TOTALLY different direction. Bob has that jazzy feel to his music, and Danny, I've always thought is a mixture of Lindsey and Stevie.

Fine if you don't like the blues, I don't particularly care for it myself, but Then Play On is a really great album. I think everyone should at least give the pre SnL albums a listen, if you just don't care for it, cool, but hey, give 'em a try. :)

I'm not against trying out the older stuff, just haven't gotten around to it yet. :shrug:

Paula

Lala 08-12-2004 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by skcin
I'm not against trying out the older stuff, just haven't gotten around to it yet. :shrug:

Paula

Yeah same here

Johnny Stew 08-12-2004 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
Hopefully people are intelligent enough to not take comments made about celebrities and their crappy behavior personally. :)

The problem is not with what is said about Shania Twain, Stevie Nicks, Lindsey Buckingham, etc. The problem is with what is said in regards to the intelligence of other posters.

I haven't yet met a person who appreciates their intelligence being questioned or belittled.

But I'm done with this now. I've figured out something that changes how I view all of this, and I'm finished.

CarneVaca 08-12-2004 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
The problem is not with what is said about Shania Twain, Stevie Nicks, Lindsey Buckingham, etc. The problem is with what is said in regards to the intelligence of other posters.

I haven't yet met a person who appreciates their intelligence being questioned or belittled.

I realize you're done with this, Johnny. But I suspect you would be hard-pressed to find where on this thread I insulted anyone's intelligence. Unless that is not what you meant.

cliffdweller 08-12-2004 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by wondergirl9847
If you love SnL, I think you'll mostly connect with Danny. That's just my opinion tho because I'm that way. My fave pre Rumours albums are Bare Trees, Future Games and Mystery to Me, although I listen to the first two more often, because of Danny. I made a set of CD's of my fave songs and as far as Pre SnL, it's mostly his songs. I would say, since Mystery to Me is ALOT of people's favorite album, listen to that first, then go towards Bare Trees, then Future Games, then Then Play On, etc.

Lindsey is the reason I love FM, but Stevie is rad and I adore Danny. Everyone is different tho. I'm not a huge fan of the Madge songs on Then Play On, but that's just me, lots of people like them.

Happy listening!! :)

I tried Bare Trees and Mystery to Me a while back. I don't remember liking them upon first listen, but I'll give them another shot.


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