It was FM with the touring band.

Liddy turned around and tried to get everyone back on track. It never was the same. :shocked: Ouch! My ears hurt just thinking about it.

I was HORRIFIED for them :nod:

I was, too, but I couldn't help but chuckle.

I think it was suppose to be PK, but Liddy started out wrong. JMO.

And regardless of how you feel about it (and I do agree that it's wrong, though not as wrong as killing the poor things in the first place), it's not going to stop just because you don't like it. Especially now that real fur is back in fashion. Like I said, if you don't want to run the risk of having someone run up to you and throw paint on your person, don't support the slaughtering of animals for fashion. I wouldn't throw anything at them, but I'd certainly condemn them.

The fact of the matter is that I find it sick and twisted that someone could kill an animal and then have the gall to say it's their "property." How sickening.

I would condemn them too. I think fur is wrong, esp. now that we have so many faux stuff that is nice.

I do think, though people ought not to have to live in fear of being assauted and battered for doing something perfectly legal :shrug: and that all paint throwers should be put in jail for a long time because they have no right to do that.

Interestinglty, did you know that PETA gives the red paint stained fur to the homeless, which I think while noble is a little hypocritical of them.

So, they can take the meat I just bought at the store and chunk it :shrug: Or the leather shoes I just bought and burn them? All becuase I have the gall to call that my property :eek:

You know what I mean, smartass. I find it sick that someone would kill an animal just for fashion and call the animal's hide their "property." It makes me sick. A creature's life is not property.

I went though the gambit on this issue. I know many women with furs. I know many who would not get another one because they think it is wrong but still wear their old ones. I know many who got rid of them for that reason. I think fur is GORGEOUS but I think the animal's life is more important. It took me awhile to get to that point, but I am there.

I totally agree. :nod: It makes me so sad to see fur is back in fashion but what's worse is these supermodels who were posing for PETA ads back when it was trendy, now turning round and wearing fur coats, like it didn't mean anything more to them than a fashion shoot. It's really pathetic.

Gawd, I feel badly for them but I really want to see this..is there a download of this anywhere? Anyone?

But who amongst them have had hits of any significance since 1987? I've been saying that "Tango" was very much the end of those days for these people!

Yeah, but that was without any videos or a tour, and Christine herself saying that having a hit album wasn't her motivation. She did NOTHING, save a few radio and television interviews, to promote the album. The same cannot be said of SYW. They were on a major label, they got lots of promotion, they had a very successful 130 show tour, and played live on national television.

I forgot to mention, the same thing that killed Christine's solo album mentioned above is the same thing that killed "Time." If you don't nurture something, it won't grow. Now, I'm not saying either were going to be big hits, but they could have sold more than 50K.

It was pretty bad. However, I can give them a little break. It's hard enough playing in the cold, at least in terms of tuning. That's the biggest lesson I learned in four years of marching band. Considering they're from L.A., the cold itself must have been somewhat of a rude awakening. Add to that that their bodies were still three hours behind Eastern Time, and I'm amazed that they were even able to do what they did. Of course, as has been the common theme, I'm a fan and I support this band. If I weren't a fan, I would have laughed, reaffirmed that I thought they sucked, and changed the channel.

And, if radio doesn't play the **** out of the album, it isn't going sell either. I heard "Say You Will" & "Peacekeeper" once each on the radio...that's not my idea of "airplay". If classic rock stations would've substituted say "Smile At You" or "Thrown Down" for each time they had planned to play "Rhiannon" or "Gold Dust Woman" or "Dreams"; and, "What's The World Coming To?" or "Miranda" instead of "GYOW" or "Second Hand News", people would GET familiar with the new tunes and be spurred to buy the album.


How many people (other than those who OWNED the album) even recognized the tunes. And, of those who didn't, how many would even spend the time to RESEARCH the songs that were featured on those TV shows? Maybe 5 or 6. "Product placement" on a TV show isn't as much of a marketing tool as having a song featured in a motion picture.

I agree, but it also has to be said that I know I'm not the only person who has bought an album by a band I'm not necessarily a fan of and thought it was actually a really good album. I think most won't disagree with your statements, but a better track order and better flow might have made the album more listenable to people who aren't necessarily fans. It might not have sold two more albums, or it might have sold an extra 200,000 albums. But that's speculation.

OTOH, look at how glowing the reviews were for Lindsey's OOTC. It got some of the best reviews I've ever seen, got lots of promotion, had videos on VH-1, was played on the radio, and Lindsey even toured in support of the album, yet I think it sold about what "Time" sold. So it would appear that there's an "it factor" that the band no longer has.

I had people who weren't even fans running up to me panning the performance, especially Lindsey's. :sorry: All I could sputter in their defense was "Well, they were cold." :rolleyes:

I'm mortified she wore fur. It made her look Gramma. :distress:

None of them will ever really throw in the towel until the inevitable happnes.

And even then...

Silver Springs and Landslide from The Dance as well as POTU Dance Remix :shrug:

I realize those were not huge Top 40 stuff - but and interestingly, La Nicks is probably known as much for that version of Landslide as the 70's Rhiannon.

But, as far as top 10 stuff, yes, Tango was the end of it, except for album debuts, which Nicks and the Mac have both achieved since then, though no where near the sales prior to 87.

well, the cardigan sweater with the little pearls was soon to follow - bless her heart :laugh:

But, gosh, I don't even care. I'm shocked they have had the longevity that they do, lots of people are "over" way sooner. There's only a few others who've accomplished what they have, and I'm so very proud of them. You have to be a very special band to accomplish what they have. Even Tango, having a hit 10+ years after your first breakout, is an astounding accomplishment, what with the fickleness of tastes and the music biz.:nod: :woohoo:

I guess you missed the SYW tour?

Well, to be fair, 10 years later, The Dance was a HUGE hit by any standard for them as well even though none of the new material went anywhere :cool: So, I think that relevance in the music world along with La Nicks' critical and somewhat small commercial success of TISL four years later is what allowed the Mac to record SYW in the style they did. I mean they must have spent a couple of million to make that record once you count in the Bel Air house rental, the moving of the studio, the mixing, the production, promotion, etc. - though someone in the industry would know more about that than I would. I have to wonder if they record another record if they will get that perk given the relative failure of SYW to sell well - remember they were talking millions of units sold, which never happened though the tour was a relative success.

well that is where she wore it :shrug: I think I missed something :laugh:

True. But that doesn't really go against anything I said. Um...I think they may not get that perk, which I think is fine. And I submit, again, that considering how long they have been in the biz, SYW's failure is very relative.

Or, even further, having your biggest hit ten years after you made a pretty big debut, had a bunch of hits in Europe, became obscure in Europe, developed a big following in the US, had three guitarists leave on tour, cancelling two of those tours, having a fake Mac on the road at one point, and having everybody in the band divorcing one another. By 1977, most bands would have said F-it, and gone their separate ways. Not this band! I'll never say Fleetwood Mac was the greatest band ever (neither would they), but they sure seem to be the most resilient.

I misread. :sorry:

I see your point. But I will raise you....GREATEST BAND EVAH!!!! :laugh:

I think they'll record again. It probably won't be with Warner's. But I see them fitting in nicely on Sanctuary. By now they know they'e not the big hit machine. If they can accept that, I see no reason why they couldn't make good records for a smaller label.

Now that LB has sold his house, I wonder if the new one he bought has room for a private studio like the last one. If so, they could record there, assuming LB does not mind his family being there most of the time; most people work without their family being present :shrug: Or, they could rent studio time, but with LB, you are talking A LOT of time :laugh:

Totally. And I hope they can accept that. I think Stevie might be the last to do so, unfortunately, but even she might come around. I mean, haven't they gotten enough perks? Weren't they famous enough? They should know how the biz works. Have some dignity, and all that.

Ha ha...never break the chain.

It's just that radio is so different now.

I think that if they did a stipped down record (no more than two lead guitar parts per song) and toured with just them and maybe a keyboard player and one more lead guitar, that would be stellar and very const effective. I mean they had something like 10 people playing on stage and several more under the stage last time out and the sound too much. So, maybe a smaller recording budget would lead to that. Better yet, an acoustic record :nod:

:laugh: The fur trumped that, IMO.

If it doesn't, you can bet he's converted the walk in closet in his bedroom. :laugh:

Good show. It seems like that would be hard for Linds, though. I mean, he can write tons of parts, but he can't play them all himself, can he? But I totally agree. You know Stevie's not going out anywhere without her backup singers, though.

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"white shirt, white shirt, white shirt - check." :laugh: