I don't think so. Maybe an Ascap or BMI fee like restaurants and stores and such have to pay for playing music over a PA though.

No way? There's always a way. Well, you can call him. Karen did. LB's management info is listed here on the site. :lol:

Oops... I was still posting responses to older posts, and hadn't caught yours until just now, Hayley.
Sorry for repeating. :o

So, you read the Town & Country article? :laugh:

I know. I have friends who have participated in those programs at both of these hotel chains for long term stays. Although I knew they received some reduction in the daily rate, I did not know the rate was that reduced. I think that much of a reduction makes it actually quite a good deal if you consider the hotel's services (laundry, room service, parking, etc. ) can be discounted as well (my friends' were) and to rent a comparable furnished house or other accomodations in that style and area would be at least that much or more. Why oh why can't one of my friends adopt me :laugh:

AND - thanks for clarifying the other info. As always, you are great for giving us this information and I thank you for it!!!!!!! My hat is off to you!!!!!! :cool:

You mean this one:

http://bla.fleetwoodmac.net/index.ph..._v2&id=897&c=9

Yep! Thank you Les, btw.

I don't disagree, not at all... but, again, I see the same "ferocity" and "ridiculousness" on the part of fans of other Mac band members, too.

I'd say that perhaps it seems more prevalent in regards to Stevie, because she tends to have a larger fanbase than the other members, and therefore more potential for having that type of fan... but then I have no doubt that that comment could and would be misconstrued as my saying that Lindsey isn't as well-loved as Stevie, and that... therefore... Stevie is better. :shocked: :laugh:

I know people who have built similar houses with similar furnishings here in Atlanta, Southhampton, and one or two actually in Bel Air. I also know what architects and interior decorators at the level they hired generally charge. That is what I was basing that figure on. So, take that for what it is worth. Again, I do not fault him for spending any money. It is his money. Also, it could have been less. I am not saying I know for sure. I am just basing a general figure on what I have seen with my own two eyes in what other similarly situated people have done and in the pics. and text in that mag. article :cool:

I said I doubted it, not that I knew it to be false. And I DO doubt it; he obviously cares about how much money he's making, but does he focus on whether or not it's more than what Stevie's making? IMHO, no. So I was only doing as much mind reading as you were when you said "I don't think he'd stand for it." We're both making qualified assumptions; they happen to disagree.

lol! I heard that too! Wonder if he's the one that put Lindsey on Wheat Thins? ;)

I've lost 2 posts now so I'm going to try to keep this brief.

My point is that some posters continually travel down the same roads over and over again and I'm not riled up I'm just tired of sitting back and saying nothing. Of course I know what Stevie says about her own drug use and poor choices, I don't find a need to bring it up every chance I get.

If you'll scroll back up you'll see that my original comment that got you all riled up was and the context of my post:

"If this is about doing everything possible to make Stevie look more successful financially than Lindsey than no amount of quotes are going to prevent this discussion from being spun in that direction"

From there you brought up hyper-sensitivity, jumping to conclusions and your amusement that some fans seem to have a problem when someone puffs Stevie up.

I am not trying to start anything over the slapping incident, I brought it up to make a point. Did you think the original poster was trying to start anything a few months ago when they opened that thread with that topic and FIRE AWAY? It would have been understandable if a new poster or fan was curious about the topic and started that type of thread. But when a seasoned poster starts the thread with no opinion of their own but wanting input from others in the form of FIRE AWAY, I think they're trying to start something. I'm not the only one who thinks this way but if you don't, that's your opinion. I'm entitled to mine and I'm entitled to call them on it when I see a pattern of the same thing over and over again no matter how big a fan they say they are.

If you want to continue this you can PM me. I only got involved in this discussion to post some quotes to prevent this from leading down this same Stevie VS Lindsey road again. Some fans just are drawn to it and can't help themselves from bringing up anything negative to tarnish the other member just a little more.

Actually, I had heard he had spent weeks at a time with Cheri in the Four Seasons. Maybe he just likes living in hotels ;)

I know similar things to you and without the land that house did not cost 10 million dollars to build, but that's a nice high round number ;) .

When this discussion went down this road it was pointed out that since we don't know any accurate information about the band members personal finances it might be wise to not attach monetary figures to thing we don't know anything about. I don't think anything good can ever come about speculating about other peoples finances and commenting about the way they spend their money. You're free to do so but that's why these discussions take this road, you know...opinions, everyone has one ;)

Yes, but she said that Lindsey had more money, when? The early 90's? I'm not sure. Assuming it was the early 90's then she has done tons more stuff to make her a lot of money since then. Two tours, a box set that is nothing but profit (just a bunch of old tracks thrown together), a come-back solo album, her landslide dixie chicks money (Millions of dollars), the dance tour and album sales, and the syw tour and album sales. All lindsey has done is the the dance tour and album and the syw tour and album. Stevie is also only supporting herself. When she is out on these tours she is not shopping or spending tons of money. I assume things like hotel, limos and other amenities are included in the tour budget. if i am right then she really doesn't spend any money for months even years at a time. Lindsey has a wife that for all we know is spending hundreds of thousands a day on clothes or jewelery or whatever. who knows? that is all just a guess.

And Fleetwood Mac would have never even been mainstream popular if not for Stevie's Rhiannon single. From what I have read, everyone credits that song with the success of the white album and how it secured the success of rumours.

And saying that the main draw in fleetwood mac is fleetwood mac is obvious. What I am trying to say is that if Stevie left the band it would hurt ticket sales much, much more then if Lindsey left the band.

And her solo tours are not as huge as FM tours, but isn't she still able to charge 100 dollars a ticket? That is pretty good!

Also, everyone is saying that Stevie spent so much money on coke, but is it really that expensive? I have never purchased it, but maybe someone else could fill me in. It just seems like for someone who is easily making millions of dollars a year a drug habit wouldn't put that much of a dent in her bank account.

Someone should tell him he needs to eat some donuts and get off those Wheat Thins.

I don't know if it was actually Tony, I was told it was. I suppose fans who are more familiar with who was Stevie's manager at the time she gained the weight would know if it could have been Tony.

True and I'll bet each member has more money then they will be able to spend in their lifetime so it really doesn't matter who has more.

The design bill for that house alone would be astronomical. :nod: I think it's safe to say that he spent between $8-$10 million on that house.

Well, if Kristen is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars a day, I'd say we all know who has more money! LOL Are you on an allowance? :shrug:


Yes, FM would have been mainstream popular without the one song Rhiannon.


What you did say is that they'd be lucky to get $20 if Stevie left the band and it was only Lindsey, care to retract that now and think it was a tad harsh?

As for coke, it's possible to spend thousands of dollars a day on cocaine.

Does anyone else want to take the rest of this?

The late-nineties, actually. ;) She said that Lindsey didn't need to do The Dance because he didn't need the money, but that the rest of them needed to do it to put money away for the future. She made the same amount as Lindsey on SYW and The Dance. When she's out on tour by herself, she's pinching her pennies because her tours don't make a lot of money. Enchanted was a flop, especially considering that she was hot off the Dance. The otur itself grossed $8 mil, her take from that wasn't much. And TISL didn't do so hot, although it did better than Enchanted.

Of course it would have. Chris was the Mac hitmaker, not Stevie.

Nope. Check out Behind the Mask.

She has to charge nearly a hundred in order to make a profit. Her tours aren't that successful, so the tickets have to be a bit pricey to cover costs.

When you have a habit as bad as hers was, of course it's expensive and could put a huge dent into your bank account. Mick went bankrupt because of it.

I just did and I think I need some coke myself after doing so. ;)

Check out the Shake The Cage tour then, while you're at it. ;)

I thought Front Line (Howard Kauffman) was the guy she fired?

Check out the Rattle & Hum tour, too -- what a great one!

Ok, I'll add to this. According to the Pollstar tour data on both the TITN and BTM tours they weren't that hugely different in amounts of audience. The BTM tour had a bit more half-empty (or half-full, if you want to be positive ;)) arenas in it but they weren't that far off from each other. :shrug:

Yeah, especially when compared to every FM tour since 1987. :shocked:

I may be in the minority here, but I believe that Stevie has never actually tried cocaine. That view probably sounds a little unhinged to fellow fans.
I feel that Stevie's comments need to be taken in context here. I think what she meant was that she had spent a lot of money on her nose, but not on snorting drugs up inside her nose. I think what she's referring to is makeup & stuff like that which she puts on the outside of her nose -- if her nose is shiny, etc.

What do others think?

I was talking about the album, wise ass. If I was referring to the tour, I would have typed tour after Behind the Mask. ;)

Did you see the tour Stevie did with the Coltrane quartet (Tyner, Garrison & Jones)? Man, it was heavy . . . to hear McCoy Tyner play those opening bars of Rhiannon on piano . . . & the "sheets of sound" that Trane brought to a pumping Outside the Rain . . . brrr . . . I'm getting chills.

Very few people saw that tour.

LOL! I can think of one fan that might agree with you.

This thread is so, so lame.

But, just for illustrative purposes-

TISL has sold around 650,000 copies- after an advance, I'd be willing to bet that Stevie got maybe $2-3M cleared on the record itself, before taxes, and that's being generous.

Enchanted has sold no more than 150,000 copies- and I'd be willing to venture that she's made about $2M on it.

With her lifestyle, maybe that funds a house and her shawl habit, but it's no huge fortune. So don't cite those records as reasons why she's made more money than LB because of her solo career post-1994. He cleared more cash than all of that put together with his participation and producer credit on The Dance.

This isn't really fair. Stevie was on medication, right? She was tired and lacked energy and not herself. Her carreer was at an all time low. Once she lost the weight, got off drugs and got her energy back she would have been "cool" once again. I think that if Chris and Stevie were the front women of FM today (without lindsey) the ticket sales would be just as much as they are and the album sales would be the same or more. However, if it was Christine and Lindsey touring sans Stevie I am sorry to say that I don't think they could charge as much. What casual fan wants to go to a FM show without hearing GDW, Landslide, and Rhiannon? Of course this is all my opinion. It just seemed like at the shows I have been too I have made small talk with people next to me who were all there to see Stevie.

And I really like Lindsey so I am sorry about the twenty dollar comment. I guess I just need to control myself and stop being so defensive of Stevie. :nod:

Yup, even some jazz fans must have missed that one 'cos they didn't appreciate the fact that those revered musicians on stage were basing their improvisations on rock songs. :p

You really need to keep reading the Blue Letter Archives and some of the discussions. Stevie supports (and HAS supported) a plethora of people . . . in all sorts of ways.

Let's elaborate on this then, even though this might turn into an embarrassing monologue.

In 1987 Fleetwood Mac still couldn't entirely rely on nostalgia. They may have adopted some of the regular nostalgia act habits already on the Mirage tour (not changing the setlist, playing only a few songs from the latest album and putting twice as many songs from their biggest selling album into the setlist) and were to adopt more of them on the TITN tour (such as not willing to develop the song arrangements in concert significantly anymore). But they still had to do an album that would sell and they did it with TITN. At that point it definitely didn't matter who was going to be on the tour, Lindsey Buckingham or Rick and Billy; the tour was going to be a guaranteed success anyway. Stevie Nicks' absence would have hurt the tour more, IMO, and the same case with Christine McVie, who once again had the lion's share of the hit singles from TITN.

The thing with Behind The Mask eventually was that it was released in the aftermath of TITN, a huge success worldwide. It didn't really matter how well BTM would sell because also that tour was going to do well, in spite of the content of the album. So at that point we can safely say that FM had most of the nostalgia act functions inserted into them for good. At this point it doesn't matter what is the content of the album; the majority of the concert goers are still there for nostalgia. Repeated to the nth time.
I partly agree and therefore I should take a hike right now. :cool:

Again, you are totally and clearly missing the contributions of Lindsey to not only the album but the tour. Stevie, by the way, does NOT want to be in a Fleetwood Mac without Lindsey. She's said that.

Yeah, and we all can guess what conclusions can be drawn from that one. "Mick and John want Stevie in order to sell more, then they need Lindsey too 'cos Stevie says so". It's the package deal again, only the other way around. :lol: ;)

Kiddo, your blind adulation of Stevie WILL disappear at some point, and you will realize that no one on the Rumours board HATES Stevie. It is impossible to be a fan of Rumours era Fleetwood Mac and HATE Stevie or HATE Lindsey or HATE Chris- because we are all fans of what they have made TOGETHER. And you'll realize that criticism is perfectly natural and completely acceptable.

Aside from that, what casual fan wants to go to an FM show without hearing You Make Loving Fun, Say You Love Me, Don't Stop (which is being played, but shouldn't be), Hold Me, etc.?

LOL! That was great.......thanks!

I give him about 10 minutes. :lol:

Trust me, I cringe whenever I see those types of threads, too. With no offense meant to anyone, I absolutely hate the "Who's your favorite/least favorite" types of threads, or the "Who's the better songwriter," etc., etc., and I'd rather we found other topics of discussion.

I readily admit that I enjoy a good debate... it keeps things lively... but I can't see anything positive coming out of those particular types of threads.

I can't lie and say that I'm not a bit biased towards certain members. I have my favorites, and there's no way around that (for anyone keeping score, it's Stevie first, followed by Lindsey, followed by Christine. Then Bob Welch & Peter Green, next Rick Vito, then Danny Kirwan, and so on), but I still prefer to think of them as "team-mates" rather than rivals, and it sucks that they're so often pitted against each other.

Still, I didn't get a vibe from Jason's posts that he was somehow trying to bash Lindsey, or pit Lindsey and Stevie against each other in some sort of "who has the bigger toys" type argument.
Your statement that that's what he was doing, seemed undeserved to me, and that's why I felt the need to comment.

We're on the same side, Cour. :)