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dissention 10-27-2004 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GypsySorcerer
I do not feel that Kerry will be able to pay for all he's promised simply by rolling back the tax cuts for the top 1%. I think he will raise taxes on the middle class, but I suppose if he used these funds appropriately it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

Yeah, and after he raises taxes on the middle-class, he'll run for re-election. :rolleyes:

His tax plan is almost identical to Clinton's and it's what we should still have. Unfortunately, Dimson is in office.

amber 10-27-2004 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
Please read post #30. :)

I already did :) That's the post that made me want to say what i did. :)
AMber

Johnny Stew 10-27-2004 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh2003
I think one important thing to keep in mind when an incumbent is up for reelection is that we live in a representative democracy. The basic ideal of this system of government, and what our founding fathers had in mind when writing the Constitution (read some of the Federalist papers...amazing stuff in those things), is that elected officials should be ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PEOPLE.

If you are displeased with an elected official's performance in office, you let them know when they are up for reelection, and vote for their opponent.

You, my friend, are absolutely right.

This is how I look at it... Bush has had four years to prove his worth, and what he's proven to me is that he does not deserve another four.
For me, the things he's botched far outweigh anything he's done correctly. And there aren't even that many things in the latter category to begin with!

I strongly feel that John Kerry will whole-heartedly seek to protect this country and its interests from further terrorist attacks.
I strongly feel that he will take steps to strengthen our economy.
I strongly believe that, while he won't be quite as strong on gay rights as I would like, he also won't actively seek to further deny our rights.
I strongly feel that he will work to mend our ties with Foreign countries alienated by the current administration.
And I strongly feel that he will work to stop the erosion in our country's education system.

For those reasons, Kerry has my vote. And the myriad reasons I am disappointed in the current administration, is why Bush will not.

gldstwmn 10-27-2004 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by DrummerDeanna
Holy Crap!! Can you believe that thanks to that post I now realize (for the first time) that posts are numbered! :eek: Wow...I feel a little moronish now :laugh:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Gailh 10-27-2004 04:28 PM

I don't think this is actually any of my business because I'm British but if you wanted a view from the other side of the pond here goes.

George Bush comes across as acting like a playground bully. He acts as he pleases with no thought for any other interest except that of the US and yet he wants us all to help. (Grow a spine Tony Blair)

What was our reward for standing shoulder to shoulder with the US in Afganistan? (Correctly in my view) Tariffs slapped on our steel exports. Way to go Dubya!

I believe Kerry may be more inclusive. If America wants to lead the world it needs to take us along with it not bully us into submission. It depends whether you give a damn what the rest of the world thinks. George Bush doesn't.

Just my two penneth. Don't know if that helped or not.

Gail

gldstwmn 10-27-2004 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by amber
I already did :) That's the post that made me want to say what i did. :)
AMber

Alright then. I'm guessing that this is your first presidential election? Well, lucky you. Thanks to the current administration, we are not simply voting for a candidate for president. We are voting and fighting for the very life of this republic and it's democracy as well-hence my greater good comment. We cannot afford at this time in our history to try to fine tune the mechanisms of our democracy with third parties when the our way of life is at peril. They are a luxury we cannot afford this year. This country is not the country it was four years ago. And that is directly attributable to a third party.
George Bush and his neocon cronies are quite simply the most frightening, divisive and destructive group of people to EVER grace 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. We have this one opportunity to retain our democracy and way of life. There is one candidate who can realistically defeat George Bush on November 2. Anyone who is interested in the great good of all of us and realizes that we are all in this together will understand that there is only one way to vote next Tuesday. The neocons will not relinquish their power easily. It must be a clear and concise victory.

"We must hang together, or surely we shall hang separately" -- Benjamin Franklin

amber 10-27-2004 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
Alright then. I'm guessing that this is your first presidential election? Well, lucky you. Thanks to the current administration, we are not simply voting for a candidate for president. We are voting and fighting for the very life of this republic and it's democracy as well-hence my greater good comment. We cannot afford at this time in our history to try to fine tune the mechanisms of our democracy with third parties when the our way of life is at peril. They are a luxury we cannot afford this year. This country is not the country it was four years ago. And that is directly attributable to a third party.
George Bush and his neocon cronies are quite simply the most frightening, divisive and destructive group of people to EVER grace 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. We have this one opportunity to retain our democracy and way of life. There is one candidate who can realistically defeat George Bush on November 2. Anyone who is interested in the great good of all of us and realizes that we are all in this together will understand that there is only one way to vote next Tuesday. The neocons will not relinquish their power easily. It must be a clear and concise victory.

"We must hang together, or surely we shall hang separately" -- Benjamin Franklin

yeah, i read your post before, and in mine, I said i was voting for Kerry. Perhaps you should take another gander at my point? :) I see yours. I made a different one. And no, it's not my first election, and i have been studying history for years, and have sufficient brain power, so I don't need to be patronized. :wavey:
AMber

estranged4life 10-27-2004 04:45 PM

Well folks...
 
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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
Anyone who is interested in the great good of all of us and realizes that we are all in this together will understand that there is only one way to vote next Tuesday.

guess I am against the "great good of all of us" then...Even though I WILL NOT VOTE FOR BUSH!!!!!!!!

Brian j.

"I always may drown but at least I drown on my own terms."

gldstwmn 10-27-2004 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Gailh
I don't think this is actually any of my business because I'm British but if you wanted a view from the other side of the pond here goes.

Gail

I think you absolutely have a right to voice your opinion. Your people are just as far into this Iraq debacle as we are. I just read that the Black Watch were deployed to Basra. It just makes me ill. :distress:

gldstwmn 10-27-2004 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by amber
yeah, i read your post before, and in mine, I said i was voting for Kerry. Perhaps you should take another gander at my point? :) I see yours. I made a different one. And no, it's not my first election, and i have been studying history for years, and have sufficient brain power, so I don't need to be patronized. :wavey:
AMber

I wrote my post knowing that you were voting for Kerry. I am not patronizing you. You asked me a question and I answered it. I merely asked if it was your first presidential election. Nothing was implied further than that.

gldstwmn 10-27-2004 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by estranged4life
guess I am against the "great good of all of us" then...Even though I WILL NOT VOTE FOR BUSH!!!!!!!!

Brian j.

"I always may drown but at least I drown on my own terms."

Drown if you must, my friend.

It must be a clear and concise victory.

estranged4life 10-27-2004 05:07 PM

I will...
 
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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
Drown if you must, my friend.

It must be a clear and concise victory.

so I am content.

amber 10-27-2004 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
I wrote my post knowing that you were voting for Kerry. I am not patronizing you. You asked me a question and I answered it. I merely asked if it was your first presidential election. Nothing was implied further than that.

Which question did i ask you?

Violet 10-27-2004 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Gailh
I don't think this is actually any of my business because I'm British but if you wanted a view from the other side of the pond here goes.

George Bush comes across as acting like a playground bully. He acts as he pleases with no thought for any other interest except that of the US and yet he wants us all to help. (Grow a spine Tony Blair)

What was our reward for standing shoulder to shoulder with the US in Afganistan? (Correctly in my view) Tariffs slapped on our steel exports. Way to go Dubya!

I believe Kerry may be more inclusive. If America wants to lead the world it needs to take us along with it not bully us into submission. It depends whether you give a damn what the rest of the world thinks. George Bush doesn't.

Just my two penneth. Don't know if that helped or not.

Gail

I do appreciate your opinion. One of the attys I was talking to yesterday mentioned she was in London a few months ago and said that Americans in general seem to be looked down upon because of Bush.

Thanks for the input!

Carol

Violet 10-27-2004 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Stew
You, my friend, are absolutely right.

This is how I look at it... Bush has had four years to prove his worth, and what he's proven to me is that he does not deserve another four.
For me, the things he's botched far outweigh anything he's done correctly. And there aren't even that many things in the latter category to begin with!

I strongly feel that John Kerry will whole-heartedly seek to protect this country and its interests from further terrorist attacks.
I strongly feel that he will take steps to strengthen our economy.
I strongly believe that, while he won't be quite as strong on gay rights as I would like, he also won't actively seek to further deny our rights.
I strongly feel that he will work to mend our ties with Foreign countries alienated by the current administration.
And I strongly feel that he will work to stop the erosion in our country's education system.

For those reasons, Kerry has my vote. And the myriad reasons I am disappointed in the current administration, is why Bush will not.

Thanks, Johnny, for stating it so plainly.

And thanks to everyone who gave me their input. I REALLY do appreciate it. Four years ago I would have thought my one little vote is just that, one vote, and doesn't make a difference. Living in FL through that whole fiasco, of course now I know differently. :rolleyes: Now I heard on the radio today that, in a poll of 850 probable voters in NJ, both Kerry and Bush got 46%. So I really do want to make a more informed decision this time.

Diss, I did go to kerry's website and read a good bit of it with interest. It's funny, but I do a LOT of research on the Internet for work, fun, shopping, etc., and I never even thought to look for johnkerry.com. DUH... :shrug:

Carol


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