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CarneVaca 05-25-2004 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ThePenguin
The problems in the urban areas are just too bountiful to list.

Indeed. Maybe Mr. Cosby should visit and see how it really is.

dissention 05-25-2004 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CarneVaca
Maybe Bill Cosby can show them how to become comedians, make an insane amount of money with some bull****, feel-good mediocre sitcom, and collect the royalties for the rest of their lives.

Will they, then, be allowed to buy $150 sneakers without criticism?

Seems to me, multimillionaire Bill is criticizing the wrong people. But what do I know? :shrug:

I agree to a point. However, you have to take into account the context in which those comments were made. He said it at a celebration for the 50th anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education. He was commenting on how people back then fought so hard for good educations, but many of the youths today don't give a rats ass about any of that, they're too concerned with having snazzy sneakers, dope in their pockets, and ho's on the side. And, frankly, he has a pretty good point.

dissention 05-25-2004 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CarneVaca
Indeed. Maybe Mr. Cosby should visit and see how it really is.

I suspect that his comments would be even more scathing. :nod:

DownOnRodeo 05-25-2004 08:10 PM

Methinks mecame in late. Me no worry.

In fact, me Jaja Binks! :laugh: Me go now.

dissention 05-25-2004 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DownOnRodeo
Methinks mecame in late. Me no worry.

In fact, me Jaja Binks! :laugh: Me go now.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

golddustdragon 05-25-2004 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by gldstwmn
Thanks for the info. John married a US citizen as did Mick, so I guess they would be citizens if they wanted. It's a pity McVie's a Republican. Come on John, they're evil. :lol: :lol: :lol:

John Mcvie's a Republican? Whoa, didn't know that. I hope he doesn't have any whacko religious views like so many Republican officeholders today.

dissention 05-25-2004 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by golddustdragon
John Mcvie's a Republican? Whoa, didn't know that. I hope he doesn't have any whacko religious views like so many Republican officeholders today.

"God is the glue that holds this band together. He is the cause of all these cycles we go through. He healed Stevie's hip, blessed Lindsey's out of tune guitars, gave me short shorts, and saved Mick from his ****ty land deals. In fact, Jesus Christ is our favorite philosopher."

:lol:

SmthngOfADreamr 05-25-2004 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
I agree to a point. However, you have to take into account the context in which those comments were made. He said it at a celebration for the 50th anniversary of Brown v. Board of Education. He was commenting on how people back then fought so hard for good educations, but many of the youths today don't give a rats ass about any of that, they're too concerned with having snazzy sneakers, dope in their pockets, and ho's on the side. And, frankly, he has a pretty good point.

He really does have a valid point, the only thing is, the blame does not lie fully on the students. I am a New York City Public School teacher, and I can tell you that the apathy that I have seen from 90% of my students' parents is heartbreaking. Many parents in our urban school district do not value education, and this unfortunatly trickles down to thier children. You can have the fanciest school buildings, all the supplies and resources you need, and the best teachers in the world, but if those who are being educated do not step up to the plate and do not receive support from home, it is all in vein.

gldstwmn 05-25-2004 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by golddustdragon
John Mcvie's a Republican? Whoa, didn't know that. I hope he doesn't have any whacko religious views like so many Republican officeholders today.

I'm willing to bet he's a fiscal conservative, not a wingnut. Anybody that supports Greenpeace can be too in tune with Bush either.

gldstwmn 05-25-2004 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dissention
"God is the glue that holds this band together. He is the cause of all these cycles we go through. He healed Stevie's hip, blessed Lindsey's out of tune guitars, gave me short shorts, and saved Mick from his ****ty land deals. In fact, Jesus Christ is our favorite philosopher."

:lol:

LMFAO! :lol:

darklinensuit 05-26-2004 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by CarneVaca
Maybe Bill Cosby can show them how to become comedians, make an insane amount of money with some bull****, feel-good mediocre sitcom, and collect the royalties for the rest of their lives.

Will they, then, be allowed to buy $150 sneakers without criticism?

Seems to me, multimillionaire Bill is criticizing the wrong people. But what do I know? :shrug:

A lot.
I thought I was the only one who disliked his sitcom.

- Jake

HomerMcvie 05-26-2004 03:20 AM

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I am a New York City Public School teacher,
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but if those who are being educated do not step up to the plate and do not receive support from home, it is all in vein.
VAIN! The alternative sounds messy.
Sorry, with you being a teacher, I couldn't resist the correction.

CarneVaca 05-26-2004 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dissention
And, frankly, he has a pretty good point.

No, he really doesn't. It's entirely too easy to dismiss those youths as bums and selfish, but for someone like Mr. Cosby, it would have made infinitely more sense if he discussed the root causes of that attitude in the youths, and how we should ago about addressing them. I daresay Mr. Cosby and his selling himself to corporate interests, Jello, for instance, is part of the problem. Nyet?

CarneVaca 05-26-2004 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SmthngOfADreamr
He really does have a valid point, the only thing is, the blame does not lie fully on the students. I am a New York City Public School teacher, and I can tell you that the apathy that I have seen from 90% of my students' parents is heartbreaking. Many parents in our urban school district do not value education, and this unfortunatly trickles down to thier children. You can have the fanciest school buildings, all the supplies and resources you need, and the best teachers in the world, but if those who are being educated do not step up to the plate and do not receive support from home, it is all in vein.

What do you think causes the apathy among the parents?

strandinthewind 05-26-2004 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CarneVaca
No, he really doesn't. It's entirely too easy to dismiss those youths as bums and selfish, but for someone like Mr. Cosby, it would have made infinitely more sense if he discussed the root causes of that attitude in the youths, and how we should ago about addressing them. I daresay Mr. Cosby and his selling himself to corporate interests, Jello, for instance, is part of the problem. Nyet?


Oh Come ON :laugh: This is just another example of everybody getting all up in arms about someone who is rich and successful saying what they see as a problem which clearly exists amongst the poor. All I can say is thank goodness Bill is African American because if a caucasian had made this statement, they would be immediately labeled a racist! I mean do you really think there are no parents who are apathetic and just bad parents without the influence of our allegedly oppressive society. Sorry for the rant, but I am just sick of the whole "society made me this way" schitck being placed on everyone. I mean sure it happens more than it should, the world is not a fair place, but clearly there are parents out there who have kids without any regard for how they are going to take care of them and they instead put themselves first or buy their kids fancy things they cannot afford instead of taking the time to educate them. I think that is what BC is talking about. I do not think he is saying all AA parents are that way, etc.

Personally, I think people ought to have to attend classes on how to raise children and put themselves second :laugh:


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