You are right about breathing room, but he seems not to want it so much just now. He seems to want to talk. And I think many people have been helping with that. But still. Perhaps that is a good point. I have never been gay. :shrug:
Except that one time in Highschool when my mom asked me if I was a lesbian - because I didn't have a BF...:shocked:
Awkward. :laugh:
I appreciate your compassion gleaned from your own experiences. You may have something extra to offer, too, because you are Catholic.
But still, member when he was an ass? right in this thread??:laugh:
Yes, yes, Dissention is very sweet. :p To Brn Eyes.
You know if he continues to make political statements in the same vein as he has, that there will be arguments, though. :shrug: But I think now we both agree, as far as just the gay thing goes, people have been pretty supportive.
"pretty supportive" :rolleyes:
God, is there a "gayer" place to come out??!?!? I would doubt it! :laugh: You practically get a VIP pass to....something...if you are gay here...

Wild thread.The gay conservative republican thing has always bothered me too.I couldn't be in a relationship with one .but I have one as a friend which would have been unthinkable to me when I was younger and so very idealistic .I'm ashamed to admit when I was in my early 20s I even got into a couple bar room fights with gay repubs down in San Diego where I went to college ,arguing over politics. (Those few on here that have seen me in person can imagine who won) I'm not a left winger because I'm gay .It is just an entire set of ideas of how people should treat each other that causes me to believe this way so I can now find the space to allow others to have their beliefs as well just so long as I'm not sharing a bed with them.:)

Hm, I dunno what exactly I said because I can be pretty vague sometimes ;)
Maybe it's more a 'bi' thing, I think. I guess bisexuality is a bit like atheism to me: you fall under the bisexual label because you're not straight or gay, because you don't fit under the usual labels. Just like atheism as a concept/label only exists because there is 'theism'.
Nobody would bother to call themselves atheist if religion didn't exist, you know? But it does, as does exist the norm of heterosexuality. Therefore you're forced to give yourself the label by the norms of society.
Uh, does that make sense?

I completely understand the desire to belong with a group, I know those feelings too, but it's a lot less important to me than it was 7 years ago when I first recognised/acknowledged my own bi feelings. Maybe because you grow more comfortable with who you are, then it becomes less important.sigh. I need a date.
Another difference is the attitude of some gay people towards bisexuals. I tried, but didn't always feel part of that community. I don't know that many bisexuals, so I guess I'm my own 'community' because of it.
I know the situation in this country is different, most people I know have some prejudices about homo/bisexuality but when they know you are, they're pretty relaxed about it.

err, end rant. take care, all.

Apparently. :laugh:

Boring. Except for the Friendlies adventure....

I went to Friendlies with Brad and four other of our friends. To screw around with the waitress, we all ordered things not on the menu. :rolleyes: :laugh: Of course, I ordered the Spotted Dick. :p So, later in the evening, she brought me out a bananna covered in hot fudge and M&M's. And I just about died. :laugh: That was my excitement for the weekend.

No, it doesn't make you pathetic. It just means that to a large extent you've just been a kid trying to figure out who you are and where you stand and what you believe in life. Everybody likes to feel that they're part of a community, and almost everybody at one time or another likes the simplicity of being able to just assign a label to oneself. Some people don't outgrow that until they're in their 40s or 50s. Some people never outgrow it. So be proud of yourself that you're becoming aware of it when you're so young and have so much time to figure out who you really are. (I'm not sure why I'm talking to you like I'm so much older than you.)

Bingo! See, you've already got that much figured out, which means you're halfway there.

Well, no, you don't have to do that. I hope you do continue to care about politics. But I also hope you start to think for yourself and figure out what you truly believe about politics, instead of just toeing the Republican party line and parroting everything Ann Coulter says.

Oh, if only that were always true.

Thanks for explaining all of that. I would say that the different countries thing contributed to the different ways we look at things, but I suspect that it's the fact that you're more comfortable in who you are than I am more than anything else. You're a little bit older than I am, too...so maybe one of these days I'll find myself relating to what you're saying more.

Amber and Brian, I see both of your points. Really. You expressed yourselves really well last night (well, it was like the wee small hours of the morning, right? :laugh: ) and I just wanted to say that I see where you're both coming from. I think that between the two of you, everything was taken into account. I can't offer any more meaningful commentary (assuming that that was meaningful) because man, I stayed up way too late reading this thread and damn I'm tired! :laugh:

I hope you will :xoxo:
I know it can feel like hell when it's still fresh. Ugh, that lasted a couple of years for me, actually. So much insecurity and soulsearching.
About different countries, different attitudes? When I first started coming out to various people, I lost a few online friends, all American, I'm sorry to say. Oh well, their loss :p

Heck, maybe he still is! There tons of masturbatory literary critics who like to pontificate on if Shakespeare was really Shakespeare and who Shakespeare really was. Maybe he's really Nicholas Sparks.

That is such a shame. :distress:

:eek: :eek: :eek: Ahhhhhhhhhh...stop!!!! That hurts!!! :eek: :eek:

yeah.. made me think I must've done something wrong! I guess part of it was them feeling 'betrayed' somehow. I guess they couldn't/wouldn't understand what happens to you when you have a samesex crush for the first time. How confusing that is. A lot of people seem to think that if you're gay/bi, you know this from when you're born, when for a lot of people (that I know, anyway) it's a gradual discovery that can take a long time.

Curtis? I love you. :xoxo: