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PenguinHead 08-01-2014 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by mitzo (Post 1135268)
No Rhiannon songs is a colossal disappointment for me. But maybe I am the only one.

We should just be grateful for the album/songs we get, and not be disappointed by the absence of what we personally wanted. It's impossible to please everyone. It's Stevie's artistic choices, not yours or mine. Let go of expectations, and it will all be fine. Find enjoyment in what it is, and not what you wanted it to be.

wheart 08-01-2014 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by HoursAndHours (Post 1136347)
With all the old polaroids and stuff, I wonder if it'll be an Exile on Main Street type cover, with several photos collaged together. Speaking of which, how cool would it be if Dave Stewart worked out a duet with Stevie & Mick Jagger (who he also produces)? I can dream, right? ;)

I think you're right! I'm totally getting a "patchwork" vibe about the cover...especially since these songs have been around for a long time. I'd be willing to bet money that they will use several old pics for the cover.

AnthonyMI 08-01-2014 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by PenguinHead (Post 1136356)
We should just be grateful for the album/songs we get, and not be disappointed by the absence of what we personally wanted. It's impossible to please everyone. It's Stevie's artistic choices, not yours or mine. Let go of expectations, and it will all be fine. Find enjoyment in what it is, and not what you wanted it to be.

BUT, DADDY, I WANT AN OMPAH LOOMPAH NOW!!!!

BombaySapphire3 08-01-2014 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by AnthonyMI (Post 1136359)
BUT, DADDY, I WANT AN OMPAH LOOMPAH NOW!!!!

Now when an artist who is well known to have a particularly obsessive fan base records an album that seems to be aimed at said fan base you know it is going to release our inner Veruca Salts.:laugh:

MikeInNV 08-01-2014 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by wheart (Post 1136357)
I think you're right! I'm totally getting a "patchwork" vibe about the cover...especially since these songs have been around for a long time. I'd be willing to bet money that they will use several old pics for the cover.

Even though these songs were written a long time ago, they are new recordings and no different than the "vault" songs that turn up on every album. That's why I'm really hoping for a new and modern photo for the cover....to see the woman who is singing these songs today. An old photo or a collage of old photos will make it even more likely for casual fans to mistake this for a greatest hits or compilation album; the title alone is misleading enough.

HoursAndHours 08-01-2014 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeInNV (Post 1136405)
Even though these songs were written a long time ago, they are new recordings and no different than the "vault" songs that turn up on every album. That's why I'm really hoping for a new and modern photo for the cover....to see the woman who is singing these songs today. An old photo or a collage of old photos will make it even more likely for casual fans to mistake this for a greatest hits or compilation album; the title alone is misleading enough.

Several interviews I read, like this one, market it as an "alternative greatest hits." I think they want people to draw that conclusion.

Hawkeye 08-01-2014 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by HoursAndHours (Post 1136407)
Several interviews I read, like this one, market it as an "alternative greatest hits." I think they want people to draw that conclusion.


Ummmm OK. If that's the angle they want to go with fine with me, but I feel that's incredibly inaccurate. A very small portion of the population has heard any of these songs. And an even smaller portion has heard most to all of them. And then there's the fact that I'm sure AT LEAST half of these songs should sound very different to what we know especially if a song like secret love is an indication. Hell of just the 3 very small clips we've gotten only starshine sounds like a straight ahead recreation of the demo we know. 24KG sounded very different. And the third clip not one fan can identify. So either it's brand new or Dave and Stevie have drastically altered a song we all know.

So yea, to market this as any kind of "greatest hits" I feel is very false.

BlueLight 08-01-2014 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HoursAndHours (Post 1136407)
Several interviews I read, like this one, market it as an "alternative greatest hits." I think they want people to draw that conclusion.

Some articles like this one may have described it as such, but I haven't heard Stevie, Dave, or anyone else describe it as such. Nor did the press release give me that impression.

That said, the "Songs From the Vault" title certainly could create a misimpression like that. :shrug:

HoursAndHours 08-01-2014 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye (Post 1136412)
Ummmm OK. If that's the angle they want to go with fine with me, but I feel that's incredibly inaccurate. A very small portion of the population has heard any of these songs. And an even smaller portion has heard most to all of them. And then there's the fact that I'm sure AT LEAST half of these songs should sound very different to what we know especially if a song like secret love is an indication. Hell of just the 3 very small clips we've gotten only starshine sounds like a straight ahead recreation of the demo we know. 24KG sounded very different. And the third clip not one fan can identify. So either it's brand new or Dave and Stevie have drastically altered a song we all know.

So yea, to market this as any kind of "greatest hits" I feel is very false.

I think it's basically a new type of compilation. I don't know of an artist who's done something like this before. I've heard of artists reinterpreting their greatest hits (like that Bon Jovi disaster), or doing acoustic versions of their favorite (The Black Crowes), or compiling previously released rarities (e.g. Indigo Girls), or remastering existing demos to append to a best of (Like the band Live), but I've never heard of anyone taking old demos and making a compilation album by re-recording them and bringing them to full realization. Does anyone else know of one? While I agree that I wouldn't choose to market it as a greatest hits, it is sort of a compilation, that's very much driven by the times. If the internet didn't exist, this album would not likely happen, because Stevie would have to participate in tape trades to get copies of her own songs!

I do think it's legitimate to call this a compilation. Even though they're re-recorded, they're from very different periods in her career. I wouldn't mind modern photos either, but she's clearly on the "old polaroids" kick, so I would be less surprised by that. Maybe we'll get both? ;)

vivfox 08-01-2014 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye (Post 1136412)
And the third clip not one fan can identify. So either it's brand new or Dave and Stevie have drastically altered a song we all know.

I love the sound of this.

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Originally Posted by HoursAndHours (Post 1136415)
If the internet didn't exist, this album would not likely happen, because Stevie would have to participate in tape trades to get copies of her own songs!

I'm convinced you are a past banned Ledgie who reinvented yourself into this new, fabulous person who writes with such confidence. Either way I'm glad to have you here. Welcome!

HoursAndHours 08-01-2014 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1136419)
I'm convinced you are a past banned Ledgie who reinvented yourself into this new, fabulous person who writes with such confidence. Either way I'm glad to have you here. Welcome!

Lol. Thanks? :D To my recollection, I never tried to sign up for a Ledge account. I know I lurked several times over the years, though. I finally decided I wanted to have fun and be a fanboy for this album, in case it's the last one.

Also, as a grad student, any compliments (or criticisms) to my writing are greatly appreciated, so thanks a ton for the confidence comment. :cool:

onlynow 08-01-2014 07:42 PM

Do you think the real tracklist might get posted in a new thread when it surfaces? I would like this. Anyone else agree?

HoursAndHours 08-01-2014 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by onlynow (Post 1136426)
Do you think the real tracklist might get posted in a new thread when it surfaces? I would like this. Anyone else agree?

YES. :nod:

sorcerer999 08-01-2014 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by onlynow (Post 1136426)
Do you think the real tracklist might get posted in a new thread when it surfaces? I would like this. Anyone else agree?

I was going to update the "24KG ~ what we know versus what we don't know" thread whenever the official tracklist was released, so that we could all discuss the songs.

But we can also start a new thread too. :)

mitzo 08-01-2014 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by PenguinHead (Post 1136356)
We should just be grateful for the album/songs we get, and not be disappointed by the absence of what we personally wanted. It's impossible to please everyone. It's Stevie's artistic choices, not yours or mine. Let go of expectations, and it will all be fine. Find enjoyment in what it is, and not what you wanted it to be.

Surely we are all entitled to want what we want. I am one who craves a certain type of Stevie song. I hope for that on this new release. No apologies.

Jondalar 08-01-2014 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mitzo (Post 1136434)
Surely we are all entitled to want what we want. I am one who craves a certain type of Stevie song. I hope for that on this new release. No apologies.

I too want the Rhiannon songs and I know she is doing this for us, but I would majorly be disappointed if they didn't make the cut, especially Maker of Birds, which I believe is one of her prettiest, most sophisticated melodies ever. I could do without the "the Black Lord of Death" line though. Also, love the darkness of Forest of Black Roses.

We waited for years, so naturally we would be disappointed. I don't understand how those songs can be denied while she records songs like Starshine Silver, Castaway… I don't get why people want those over Maker of Birds, which actually has an original, beautiful melody that morphs and takes us to different places

However, I'm betting it made the album because of that Rhiannon pic Dave had on his sound board while they were recording. Those track lists are probably totally wrong.

Johnny Stew 08-01-2014 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HoursAndHours (Post 1136415)
I've never heard of anyone taking old demos and making a compilation album by re-recording them and bringing them to full realization. Does anyone else know of one?

Van Halen (with David Lee Roth) released an album called 'A Different Kind of Truth' in 2012, that featured seven new recordings/re-workings of old demos of theirs from the late '70s & early '80s, alongside six brand new songs. As I recall, it was marketed and promoted as a brand new album and not as a compilation.

I love the concept behind '24 Karat Gold,' but I really hope they treat it as the new album that it is. To market it as some sort of compilation would do the album a serious disservice. Front cover should feature a brand new photo of Stevie. The Polaroids should be saved for the liner notes, with maybe two or three laid out on the back cover.

BombaySapphire3 08-01-2014 09:23 PM

Neil Young is another one who has recorded a lot of songs written in decades past and placed them on new albums but I really can't think of a well known recording artist who has released an entire album of songs that were all written but never released 20 plus years ago.Someone on here posted that Paul McCartney was planning on it but it never came to fruition.

bombaysaffires 08-02-2014 01:22 AM

I don't understand why anyone would care what year a song was written. A good song is a good song. There are only so many songs on an album, and if you're a prolific writer you are always going to have to make some tough choices about what can be included and what there isn't room for. Where are those songs that don't get included supposed to go? Throw them away? Songs don't have expiration dates beyond which you can never record them. I could give a crap what year a song was written (other than some of the context about how it came to be written). I don't get offended because songs on an album weren't born five minutes before.

bombaysaffires 08-02-2014 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jondalar (Post 1136435)
I too want the Rhiannon songs and I know she is doing this for us, but I would majorly be disappointed if they didn't make the cut, especially Maker of Birds, which I believe is one of her prettiest, most sophisticated melodies ever. I could do without the "the Black Lord of Death" line though. Also, love the darkness of Forest of Black Roses.

We waited for years, so naturally we would be disappointed. I don't understand how those songs can be denied while she records songs like Starshine Silver, Castaway… I don't get why people want those over Maker of Birds, which actually has an original, beautiful melody that morphs and takes us to different places

However, I'm betting it made the album because of that Rhiannon pic Dave had on his sound board while they were recording. Those track lists are probably totally wrong.

I too love these songs. I just wonder how they would sound with Stevie's current voice. Part of the beauty of the demos is the clarity and flexibility of her voice. I for one doubt she could sing those songs in the same key or as fluidly as she did then. But who knows.

Bandon 08-02-2014 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1136456)
I too love these songs. I just wonder how they would sound with Stevie's current voice. Part of the beauty of the demos is the clarity and flexibility of her voice. I for one doubt she could sing those songs in the same key or as fluidly as she did then. But who knows.

Very good point

Jondalar 08-02-2014 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1136456)
I too love these songs. I just wonder how they would sound with Stevie's current voice. Part of the beauty of the demos is the clarity and flexibility of her voice. I for one doubt she could sing those songs in the same key or as fluidly as she did then. But who knows.

Well if people don't like her voice, they can always listen to the demos. Her voice on any of those songs is not going to be as good probably. The Rhiannon songs shouldn't be singled out.

welcomechris 09-28-2014 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueDenimLamp (Post 1130439)


Wonder is any of these songs will have horns on them...

Ha! "Cathouse Blues"

Interesting reading these posts now!


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