I like this.

June 4, 2015 by NATIONAL ENQUIRER STAFF [of course, the National Enquirer is a tabloid]

http://www.nationalenquirer.com/cele...ood-mac-attack


Fleetwood Mac singer STEVIE NICKS is desperate to go her own way after the band ends its world tour in November!

“Stevie believes every show endangers her soul,” an insider said.

The songbird went through a painful breakup with guitarist Lindsey Buckingham as the group soared to stardom in the ’70s.

Drummer Mick Fleetwood has said Stevie still endures “a form of button-pushing” from Lindsey, who conceded that working together “scares her a little.”

Added the source: “Stevie’s really afraid he burdens her soul with darkness!”

Gosh, and all this time I thought they were best buds. I'm beside myself.

I wonder want the shippers think about this?

I don't. :lol::lol:

OOH. THE DRAMA.

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I think the last line is my favourite, to be honest. The exclamation marks really drive that point home, lol. Also, this 'source' happens to use the word 'soul' (in the context of endangering and burdening) TWICE in literally two sentences. Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.

GTFO.

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The Empire (State) Strikes Back

I could picture this "source" being either one of her die-hard fans or one of her backup singers/girlfriends.

It's believable to me that Stevie herself would say this to someone on this inside. (It sounds like a lyric she'd write.) What is unbelievable is that she has yet to get over the trauma. Is she seeing a psychotherapist? I'm sure Lindsey must be a complete douche to work with and that their shared history complicates an already-complicated dynamic, but even on the basest level, I find it hard to believe he has the "ability to burden her soul with darkness".

Old age has given Christine perspective and strength to reassess. It has for Lindsey as well (though his "serenity" may seem "paper thin"). But old age has only opened up all manner of problems for Stevie. It can't be just Lindsey. Other stresses and problems are at work here.

see the thing is - why would we be so sure in that? all other collaborators don't seem to think that. almost everyone he produced or worked with over the years, from the early days on, have only good things to say about him. i was reading Walter Egan q&a here the other day, and when someone asked him whether LB was a "douche" or hard to work with he said something like, no he was really easy - unless Stevie was also in the studio.

yeah, you can say that as a LB fan i'm prone to seeing LB in a good light, but i'm just not sure whether this "Lindsey is a douche" is really true or if it really mostly comes from a single source - his ex (and maybe another source - KC - who frequently seems to have an axe to grind with most of the band).

You had to ask... ;)

I could also picture the source as being non-existent, since the Enquirer is a rag without journalistic integrity. I mean they do crack some stories like John Edwards' love child, but they also make a lot of stuff up. Michele

I don't doubt that Lindsey is difficult to work with, but Stevie is too, in a different way. Certainly, I don't think he has darkened or burdened Stevie's soul any more than she has his.

Michele

It had much more to do with the situation than the "result." Her dismay was mostly about feeling isolated by the process. With Christine's absence, the power and responsibility shifted heavily in Lindsey's corner.

Given his ever-increasing propensity of working in a solitary manner, tinkering with technologies, it's easy to understand why her collaborations with him felt cold, removed and distant. Add to that her personal issues at the time, Stevie was just not happy. She was so sullen on that tour.

Even though I've sometimes criticized Lindsey's somewhat steely production on Say You Will, I still love the album for what it is. It does seem to lack a certain warmth. But it's still a very edgy, creative and unique album. It's a worthy piece of their legacy.

Stevie's songs, practically an album unto itself (with the inclusion of Not Make Believe) are up to par, yet distinctive to the time and circumstance in which they were created. Keep in mind that Lindsey played a significant role in establishing the rock star status she has achieved. He molded her raw demos into commercial gold, even in times when they became arch enemies. He has never wavered in his intentions to work with her to do the best he can with her songs. Lindsey is not Hitler, as he has shown a much more pragmatic demeanor than Stevie.

The thing I've never understood, is there are a number of interviews where Lindsey and Stevie talk about Stevie learning to trust Lindsey again. Trust how? Romantically, she was the one who cheated and left him. Musically, he continued to produce hits for her, even if he didn't want to (which is also always mentioned in interviews). He left the band, but came back, and has been back for 18 years. So I've never understood what exactly they're talking about there in regards to trust issues.

exactly. They could easily find this forum and come up with something that short pretty quickly.

According to jbrownsjr... Stevie and Lindsey have hated each other for years. He was not available for further comment. :cool:

well, Christine's recent comments add do a real credibility to the notion that they haven't gotten along with each other for long time offstage.

I do think he *was* a douche to work with for many years... not just Stevie has said so but also Mick and Chris. Mick and his cowriter used the word "martinet" in his first book which is just a fancier way of saying dictatorial douche. Chris said on BBC with Johnnie Walker that Lindsey could be very cold and hard to work with in the early days. He could be very caustic and condescending in how he interacted with people.. you see a faint reminiscent glimpse of it in the SYW doc when he does the "listener of listeners?" thing with Mick and that whole convo.

I think (in addition to at times really wanting to give Stevie payback) really he was just so focused and intense that his attention to social niceties and concern for others in the studio could get lost. In later years John Stewart made some comments about Lindsey being pretty scarily intense in the studio. I think he was just as hard on himself as he was on others, but maybe that was hidden from view or harder for others to see. :shrug:
I think with Stevie he was sometimes just nasty... because he just had all that anger that festered and the "lack of closure" he always talks about nowadays.

Did Stevie add to it as well? Certainly. Codependence, baby.

How long's a long time? Did she miss 2010, for example?

“I spent a lot of time with Stevie when she was making her solo album this last year and we spent a lot of really nice quality time…”

“I’ve spent a good deal of time with Stevie in the last year and we’re getting along, you know, as good or better than we’ve ever gotten along”

"You know, she has an album out as well and we spent a good deal of time together…”

"I knew Stevie was working on a solo album and I called up and I said, ‘Is there anything I can do?’ So I started going over there and hanging out, and we just had the best time.”

It's interesting, isn't it? I remember on Unleashed interview where he was talking about rehearsals and his main purpose really seemed to be working on that. Again, in that Don't Stop documentary in 2009.

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And in an interview about the EP songs in 2013:

Extended Play” also features “Miss Fantasy,” a new track with very classic Fleetwood Mac harmonies. How did that come about?

That was sort of in a moment when I’d had some interaction with Stevie where I felt like I was tapping into the whole lexicon of memories and of emotional connections going all the way back to before she and I were a couple. She was really much caught up in the world of her solo effort. It was right at the end of that and I felt like it was hard to kind of find her in all of that or that perhaps more accurately, it was harder for her to find me, and the person that she knew and trusted and so you know, “Miss Fantasy,” it may be “you don’t remember me/but I remember you” and that’s really what that’s about.

Honestly, his sweet talking her in the press the past half dozen years is nothing more than him trying to wrangle her into a Mac album. I think Lindsey wanted a new Mac album both before and after the 2009 Unleashed tour. Obviously that never happened, and Stevie went on to record In Your Dreams... her self professed 'best year of her life.' Lindsey knew that if he were ever to get Stevie to work with him again, that he'd have to turn on that Dave Stewart-style praise and "yes man" mentality. Which he's been doing for half a dozen years now, to no avail.

I give Lindsey credit, though- as much as Stevie continues to bad mouth him to the media (with a few notable exceptions where she was having rare bouts of mania) and keep FM out of the recording studio, Lindsey's kindness to Stevie in the press has never wavered. His desire for a new Mac album must be pretty strong to put up with her unrelenting abuse.

^^ good points...

Even back then, Lindsey was always looking over his shoulder!! :cool:


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:nod: And I'm a huge Stevie fan. But together, they are what they are.

Love this! :lol:

Mick was talking about Tango there and said that Lindsey was super nice to Stevie when they were recording TITN because he was making an effort given her state, but Mick said he treated the rest of them like marionettes.

Michele

Thank god for Lindsey. Talent, Vision, Discipline. They are lucky to have him.

Yes I remember him saying LB was trying to go easier on Stevie during that time. I don't remember the marionette part, but will trust your memory on that one. ;)

I'd have to dig out my copy of his first book (and it's too late and I'm too tired!) but he did also say somewhere in there that in the studio Lindsey could be a martinet. Merriam Webster defines martinet as "a person who is very strict and demands obedience from others". I remember it because I thought it was a much cleverer way of saying yeah he could be a real a-hole. I don't recall now if he was talking about the making of one particular album or just generally speaking. I was always curious whether that was Mick's word or the result of his cowriter thumbing through a thesaurus. :shocked:

Take into consideration the source. This is the National Enquirer! They are not a legitimate news outlet. They are a cheap tabloid know for manufacturing outrageous, dramatic fictitious stories for the sake of shock & entertainment value. They have no credibility.

It's so ridiculous (and somewhat humorous), but I hope most people have a media filter in their mind to understand this is just a form of parody.

Thanks for this. It was an enjoyable read. I will still buy the magazine.

Its definitely worth buying for the photos, the CD and even the non-FM articles.

Ok, I found the part you were talking about.


Michele

It seems like it's hate/hate.. nowadays.

Thanks for posting Michelle. I like the Tango drama (according to the same book you quoted from) near the end of recording when Stevie realizes she is not on the album that much. According to Mick she threatened to go to Rolling Stone and tell them she had nothing to do with the album. Stevie went after Christine and complained that she should be singing back up on Everywhere. According to Mick, Christine had a few glasses of wine in her and countered back at Stevie that she wanted her to sing back up but she was never there. HA HA. I just thought that was too funny. I would love to have been a fly on the wall for that :eek:

I remember this account. Mick was pretty diplomatic about that anecdote. You don't mess with Christine when Christine is working hard and buzzy.

I remember him saying Stevie did a curtsy to Christine. Smart move. You can be a queen; but, you're not 'the Queen'. :angel:

It also speaks volumes about Stevie's media savvy and how she will use her high profile in the media and with the public to manipulate things within the band. In this anecdote she threatens to badmouth the album in the press as a means to try and get her way; on SYW she threatens not to tour more than the original plan of 40 dates and screw Lindsey out of the income to compensate for the album to get her way on sequencing/number of songs; god knows how many more instances we don't know about. She's clearly holding them up now, quite possibly with some sort of threat about what she'll say about a new album (her complete silence about the work Chris and Lindsey have done so far-- a tactic so she can threaten to badmouth it in the press if she doesn't get something or other she wants?). She demands the Presidential suite wherever she stays "because I deserve it"....etc etc etc

Look I get that she's old, she's a legend, and at some point in your career you graduate to not having to deal with some of the grubbier aspects of touring (jet not a bus, nice suite, whatever...Chris even finally said the one thing she did this time was NOT do all her own packing/unpacking day in and day out). That's fine, those are creature comforts and less stress kinds of things. But the rest smacks of petulance and ego and total diva behavior.

I had a side conversation with Ken after the book signing. I asked him what it was like producing Mirage. He said.. (paraphrasing) "It was worse than Rumours. One member, (and I won't say who), would constantly threaten to leave if 'she' didn't get her way"

I asked, "Christine acted like that?" and he laughed at my sarcasm...

*Note at this time Christine was deep in retirement and nobody ever expected her back. He did say that he spoke to her about the book. (over the phone.)

Yes, Lindsey said, "It used to be bittersweet, now it's just sweet."

Fastforward 12 years later: "It used to be bittersweet, now it's just bitter."

Michele

When did he say, "just bitter"? The inflection of Christine's voice during the UK interview when talking about LB/SN was her normal sarcastic laugh.

"Not in any other way, these days.. ahahahaha"
Meaning, they have music chemistry, but nothing else.

I think Michelle was joking.

Browsing through this thread reminded of an item I saw on the Openculture website about wealth:

John Waters’ rollicking commencement speech at The Rhode Island School of Design offered up some good one-liners and a few pearls of wisdom, though phrased, quite naturally, in an irreverent way. Mr. Waters has this to say:


"Uh, don’t hate all rich people. They’re not all awful. Believe me, I know some evil poor people, too. We need some rich people: Who else is going to back our movies or buy our art? I’m rich! I don’t mean money-wise. I mean that I have figured out how to never be around assholes at any time in my personal and professional life. That’s rich. And not being around assholes should be the goal of every graduate here today.

It’s OK to hate the poor, too, but only the poor of spirit, not wealth. A poor person to me can have a big bank balance but is stupid by choice – uncurious, judgemental, isolated and unavailable to change.

I’m also sorry to report there’s no such thing as karma. So many of my talented great friends are dead and so many of the fools I’ve met and loathed are still alive. It’s not fair, and it never will be."