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moon 04-12-2013 01:29 PM

The only reason for what I could write a letter to the Mac, is just to know why they never came at least once to South America.
What's the matter with us? Here's some very loyal fans!

A new album could be great, but I read your comments about what happened with the Dance tour, the Say You Will tour and Unleashed. With new songs only is enough? I really don't know...

And, "The No-Name Tour" sounds very original, really!

elle 04-12-2013 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RavenOfRhiannon (Post 1087668)
I love Fleetwood Mac's music, and I would love for them to do a new album, and to tour behind it with a totally revamped setlist. However, if they choose not to, I do not feel betrayed by them. I just listen to the music I have and cherish the tours I went to. The only way to tell the band how I feel in a constructive way is to 'Vote With My Dollar.' I chose to sit this tour out because I just couldn't see paying the price they were asking for tickets.

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Originally Posted by RavenOfRhiannon (Post 1087713)
You have to pay for that kind of access, even if it is front row seast at a show.

:laugh: well, in my experience you can pay face value for 10th or 20th row seat, and run really fast as the show is starting, to make it to the stage. ;)

i'm merely pointing out some holes in your statement that "the only way" to convey your message to the band is to not go to their shows. they will not notice whether you or i or other 100-200 huge fans are at their shows, since there are plenty of people who will go and pay, and are not even casual fans. it's pretty easy to see this during their shows, and which songs get the most aroused response.:shrug: so if we are talking about voting with dollars, they will keep on touring greatest hits, since that's what gives them the biggest bang for their buck. :shrug:

KarmaContestant 04-12-2013 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by TrueFaith77 (Post 1087716)
I, personally, chose not to attend this tour because they had not (and still have not) released any new music, much less a new album. I guess that is just a quality that makes me feel invested in an artist.

I have not doubt that I missed a great show that I would have treasured. But I don't regret it at all.

-John

That's really right where I am at as well, and even then, the Denver show is still selling tickets so I could, presumably, change my mind, but probably won't. I know from past shows that this one will be great, I know I'd have fun, but I'd rather spend that concert money on another act that will be more memorable or more entertaining.

HejiraNYC 04-12-2013 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KarmaContestant (Post 1087744)
I know from past shows that this one will be great, I know I'd have fun, but I'd rather spend that concert money on another act that will be more memorable or more entertaining.

I suppose I'm not understanding the thought process here. You know it will be great and you know you will have fun. Is it the price? Are you standing on principle? Do you think anyone will notice that you are boycotting the tour because of your convictions? Why do you deprive yourself of something that you may later regret not partaking? :shrug:

KarmaContestant 04-12-2013 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by HejiraNYC (Post 1087753)
I suppose I'm not understanding the thought process here. You know it will be great and you know you will have fun. Is it the price? Are you standing on principle? Do you think anyone will notice that you are boycotting the tour because of your convictions? Why do you deprive yourself of something that you may later regret not partaking? :shrug:


I know it will be great, and I know I'd have fun. But it's not an exclusive experience - it's one I've had before, so it's not new or different enough *to me* to make it worth the time or expense. The price...doesn't really bother me...I'm impulsive with money, and don't believe it has any value until it's used...so standing on principle might be a fitting description for how I feel about skipping the tour. I don't feel I'm boycotting the tour, but rather just not interested enough to actually be there in person - and no one needs to notice because it's only about me and not them. I'm just not the type to regret missing out on something, especially if it was my choice to do so. As a result, I don't feel that I'm depriving myself of anything.

Even if this is the last Fleetwood Mac tour, I'm ok with missing it. I feel like I've seen it already.

On the flip side, if the setlist had at least 9-12 songs that were never-before-performed material - either new or old - I'd feel very differently. That would be a show I could not miss. That would be a show I'd forever regret not going to.

StandbackStevie 04-12-2013 04:40 PM

I am mixed on going its still a maybe it really the price factor on my part cause the show is expensive and is this there last tour together too or is there another tour coming in a few more years I know they are really numbered and just don't know if it's going to be there last.I have to say I thought the unleashed tour 2009 was going to be there last. tickets are pricey at mohegan sun $150 and $175 includes fee's and everything. Most of the arena is $175
so I am like a see saw on this tour I want to go and then change my mind cause of the cost just wish there was like a cheaper seat.The economy is not great or getting an better either.

PoetofRhiannon 04-12-2013 06:13 PM

Has anyone who is going to a Mick M&G considered talking about The Ledge and the legions of fans that actually want new material?


And does anyone think that would do any good?

I'm going to a M&G in May, and I am definitely going to say how I want new music. And my friends who are my age (early 20's) want new music. And that there are lots of other people who will buy new music.

aleuzzi 04-12-2013 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dontlookdown (Post 1087333)
I don't mind the no name tour with no album.
The Grateful Dead did that a lot - as have the Heartbreakers and Bob Dylan.
These guys just want to play (and I can promise you none of them are doing it for the money).

I assume your last sentence was in reference to The Dead, The Heartbreakers, and Dylan because the members of Fleetwood Mac are pretty damn mercenary when it comes to performing. If big money were not in the equation the band would not tour. As a band. This doesn't apply to some of the solo activity and side projects.

Nostalgia can be great, and I think it's cool FM have introduced their (same old) music to younger fans. But 1997-98 should have marked a rebirth of the band not only as a touring entity but as recording artists who would make new, relevant music. One album since then is not cool. They're all getting old but are still pretty resilient, so I'd beg them to please make one more meaty album WITH Christine. It's the obvious thing to do.

Will they? Or will they continue to rerelease Rumours and the farts that were caught on the master tapes?

RockawayBlind 04-12-2013 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RavenOfRhiannon (Post 1087668)
First of all, comparing fans to battered wives is insensitive and crass.

Perhaps, but I would just call it a simile.

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Originally Posted by RavenOfRhiannon (Post 1087668)
Second of all, they don't 'owe' us anything, and that mentality reads like the fans 'own' the band. It's a little 'Misery' to say the least.

Perhaps you are taking the "owe us" comment the wrong way. Literally, they owe their success to the fans. Is that not the case? Also, I am not sure what you mean by "misery" in this context.

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Originally Posted by RavenOfRhiannon (Post 1087668)
Artists of any medium need only to create, and they do that when they want to. We as a public have the right to patronize artists we choose to.

Ah... but we agree, after all. Artists need to create. When that need goes away, can they truly be called artists anymore? Can someone be called an artist who dangles a carrot to the fans and says, "You have to love this one song if you want us to give you more new music?" An artist creates for the sake of creating, not as some sort of emotional blackmail with the fans. Folks have suggested here that the current relationship between the band with its stale, washed-up offering comes down to a commercial transaction with the fans. If that's the case, they are only business people, are they not?

michelej1 04-12-2013 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RockawayBlind (Post 1087842)

Perhaps you are taking the "owe us" comment the wrong way. Literally, they owe their success to the fans. Is that not the case? Also, I am not sure what you mean by "misery" in this context.

Kathy Bates. James Caan. Axe.

Michele

AncientQueen 04-13-2013 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1087847)
Kathy Bates. James Caan. Axe.

Michele

Ouch. That was the only horror moment that I ever felt regarding a Stephen King novel/movie.

Macfanforever 04-13-2013 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1087847)
Kathy Bates. James Caan. Axe.

Michele

I love those old horror flix.

FM does not owe me nothing.Just keep touring and sing their hearts out.

We are getting older they are getting older.Sooner or later they will quit altogether.I want to spend much time as possible at the shows and take in what I get.

MikeVielhaber 04-13-2013 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by michelej1 (Post 1087847)
Kathy Bates. James Caan. Axe.

Michele

Rather, a sledgehammer.

Nathan 04-13-2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeVielhaber (Post 1087914)
Rather, a sledgehammer.

It was an axe in the book.

michelej1 04-13-2013 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 1087921)
It was an axe in the book.

Reminds me that I wanted to read Horns so I could then read son, Joe Hill's nos4a2. I already did Heart-shaped Box and I'd like to do things in order.

Michele

Nicks Fan 04-13-2013 07:25 PM

I was at the show in Columbus and while the setlist was not very original or fresh, I still enjoyed the show allot. I heard 4 songs I have not heard before.

What bothers me is that certain songs have become stale yet they seem intent on playing every tour. Like Big Love and I'm So Afraid were great showstoppers in their day and while Lindsey still plays the hell out of them the novelty has worn off. He needs to do something different. Same goes for Gold Dust Woman, Rhiannon, Landslide etc. The problem is people still go to the shows and in some cases they go more then one and as long as that continues the band will not change up the show.

This topic has come up on the Melissa Etheridge board where people (including me) have questioned why she won't change up her show. There are people there who fly all over the world to see her no matter what she is doing or where she is playing. How many times do you need to hear the same songs?

If anyone meets Mick at his Meet and Greets why not ask him why they won't put out a new album or change the show? If I was meeting him I would certainly bring it up in a polite way.

Matt

StandbackStevie 04-13-2013 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfanforever (Post 1087910)
I love those old horror flix.

FM does not owe me nothing.Just keep touring and sing their hearts out.

We are getting older they are getting older.Sooner or later they will quit altogether.I want to spend much time as possible at the shows and take in what I get.

I agree was not crazy about the prices of the tickets but will and hopefully be able to get a single ticket to the show on monday see what is available and take what is available and enjoy the show.Can't wait to see it.I do think this is probably there last we might squeek out another tour from them hopefully but if not this will be it.:nod: can't wait to go and cross my fingers and pray that I get a single ticket.;)

vivfox 04-13-2013 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by StandbackStevie (Post 1087986)
cross my fingers and pray that I get a single ticket

The show is already sold out.You're going to have to sell your arm for a scalper's ticket.

elle 04-13-2013 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicks Fan (Post 1087985)
What bothers me is that certain songs have become stale yet they seem intent on playing every tour. Like Big Love and I'm So Afraid were great showstoppers in their day and while Lindsey still plays the hell out of them the novelty has worn off. He needs to do something different. Same goes for Gold Dust Woman, Rhiannon, Landslide etc. The problem is people still go to the shows and in some cases they go more then one and as long as that continues the band will not change up the show.

see i completely disagree with what you are saying about Big Love and So Afraid. they ARE showstoppers, not they were. especially on this tour, where the effect of his playing is augmented with those jumbotrons. it works really really well! read any review from any of their shows so far. look behind you at the see of people and standing Os. and ISA is actually different almost every tour (although his stage moves are the same :p:D). these 2 songs are absolute showstoppers and he has to do them.

same with Landslide, the whole audience sings that one, she doesn't even have to sing it, it's like a Rod Stewart singalong.

i do agree that Gold Dust Woman, although definitely a must in the set, is very stale the way they do it. they can easily cut the last 3-4 minutes of pure boredom, musically. and Lindsey should jazz it up like he did at the European leg of Unleashed. he also needs to jazz back up SOTM, a lot.

StandbackStevie 04-13-2013 08:14 PM

well it's alright if i miss the tour if its meant for me to be there I will get a ticket never paid scalper tickets and won't.If there sold out when I go look and see if there any left and sold out then I guess I save my money and stay home watch live in Boston dvd relieve that night and tour was awesome.

elle 04-13-2013 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1087990)
The show is already sold out.You're going to have to sell your arm for a scalper's ticket.

Philly was sold out, and you could get tickets at the box office couple of hours before the show.

StandbackStevie 04-13-2013 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1087990)
The show is already sold out.You're going to have to sell your arm for a scalper's ticket.

did you get your ticket or are you waiting to the night of the show to see if they release any seats at the last minute.

RockawayBlind 04-13-2013 08:19 PM

I certainly can understand why people still enjoy the FM shows. They are a great band, after all. I've just never really enjoyed live performances as much as a well-produced, nicely crafted studio song, which is why I hardly ever listen to live albums. I used to love going to shows but just find them a big hassle now. And if all a band has to offer is the same setlist for 16 years, with a couple of minor tweaks, it simply doesn't interest me.

My favorite band, aside from FM and Lindsey, plays without a setlist. Whatever the lead singer calls out is what they play next. When I buy a ticket to a show, I know I am going to get something different from all the other shows I have seen. And that's a show still worth going to.

Keith 04-13-2013 08:23 PM

So..
 
I'm at bedrock billboards in dc watching the caps game.. Wishing I was in Chicago watching fleetwood Mac.. Wearing my FM 1977 shirt and this guy came over to me and asked me if I was at the fleetwood Mac show on Tuesday. I said yes, I was and it rocked. He said he heard that it did , but didn't go because of the friction between Stevie and Lindsey.. But he also heard it rocked and wished he was there.. My point.. Don't listen to their voices, but listen to your own voice..

StandbackStevie 04-13-2013 09:09 PM

I agree Keith was listening to others I am going to try tommorow to go to ticketmaster outlet at walmart here and see if there is any stragglers left for mohegan sun and hopefully will get a ticket.:nod:

vivfox 04-13-2013 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by elle (Post 1087995)
Philly was sold out, and you could get tickets at the box office couple of hours before the show.

Does that mean the shows really aren't sold out then?

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Originally Posted by StandbackStevie (Post 1087996)
did you get your ticket or are you waiting to the night of the show to see if they release any seats at the last minute.

I never know until the day of a show if I am going or not. Last time I didn't find out until just a few hours before showtime. LOL

StandbackStevie 04-13-2013 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1088010)
Does that mean the shows really aren't sold out then?



I never know until the day of a show if I am going or not. Last time I didn't find out until just a few hours before showtime. LOL

well I hope to go and hope to see you there can't wait.How can I not go especially since sisters on the set but too I Stevie and Lindsey can sing the phone book and I would be happy to just being there and the way things are lately I can use a Big Mac Attack.I know I will enjoy the show no matter what oh hell if they tour and they are all over 100yrs old you know I will be there as well..lol.:blob2::]:cool:;)


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