Amen brother!!! Preach the gospel!!!! :nod: :nod: :nod:

I think SYW was too long given the fact that there were only two songwriters. With Christine on board they could have kept the same number of songs but there would have been the balance that (IMO) was missing from SYW.

what a pity they sacked her! :lol: :lol: :lol:

Gail

That is all I meant, their albums have never done as well without all five. It is just not the same.

Yep - like Donald Trump - LB screamed in his singing voice (which are one in the same) YOU'RE FIRED while La Nicks hit her on the head repeatedly with her tambourine saying "you are no longer an emerald sister of Rhiannon," Mick asked what day it was with white powder on his lip, and John said FINALLY and GOOD RIDDENCE :laugh: :rolleyes: :laugh:

Disagree. In The Meantime was released on a relatively small label, with only minimal promotion. Had the album been released on WB (like her 1984 album), there would've been a lot more promotion.

Plus, with "the five" doing a whole album of new material, it would've been more of "an event" with all five of the Rumours crew been on board. More attention to both album & tour. More airplay of the new material, etc.

Airplay = sales.

I agree, but I was just noting that no one, save us loons, was chomping at the bit to get new material from her and it was advertised here a little. I fully agree that if SYW had had the five on it, it would have had a better, though still slim, chance of being a mega hit - though this is all speculation.

It'll be interesting to see how the upcoming new Eagles album of all new material fares. I'm anticipating a big let down.

No one was exactly chomping at the bit for the Buckingham Nicks, pseudo-Fleetwood Mac album that came out two years ago, either. No one but us fans really chomp at anything released by any of them.

Materialwise or saleswise? If it's anything like Hole In the World, expect both. :laugh:

Well, it still sold like 800,000 or so copies and THAT was after two disasterous live performances on national t.v. :shrug:

You think 800,000 copies is a big success and indicates that many people were chomping at the bit for new Mac album? I think not. Their first week sales were a huge success, and then it dropped off the charts (not as quickly as TISL, though). Their days of successfully selling records have been over since Tango (or The Dance, but that success was because of pure nostalgia).

I loved the GYOW/Peacekeeper intro in the same song on TODAY. :cool:

Compared to 50,000 that she sold (was that the number) it is eons more chomping :laugh:

Plus, I think I made it clear "FM's days of selling millions of records is over" :shrug:

I thought that ChiliD already explained that to you. :shrug: People weren't "chomping at the bit" because they didn't know it was out there.

No promotion = low sales.

I takes one song to make or break an album in it's first week. It takes the other 11 or so to keep it on the charts. Peacekeeper was a bad first single, and the running order killed it from selling more. What casual fan would want to listen past Murrow?

Oy. If I wasn't a fan and had just tuned into Today and Leno to see who Fleetwood Mac was, I would have gone running for earplugs.

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those vocals were scary

It sounded like karaoke night at The Apollo. You would never listen to those performances and believe for a second that Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham actually have careers as singers. :laugh:

"Come" is pretty laughable to the typical teen today. Our perspective as Mac fans is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooo different from that of the half-naked kids jammed together on the beach, wriggling to 50 Cent or Trick Daddy & Lil' Kim while MTV cameras are filming another installment of "Spring Break."

"Promotion" is not just a single blanket term with the same equivalence in all instances, either. Promotion is a bunch of different things: Fleetwood Mac shooting a video of "Peacekeeper" is promotion & Gwen Stefani baring her ripped abs in a performance on the Grammys is also promotion. Which "promotion" do you think is going to translate into substantial sales? I mean, d'uh, George, right?

In fact, the "Spring Break" context is a far more accurate gauge of popularity & sales among the key music demographic than whether Fleetwood Mac is appearing on the Morning Show or something. If a performer or a band sounds hot to the wriggling, skanking naked kids on "Spring Break," then it's a hit! So all you folks who keep talking about "Well if they had done this to the album, or if they had kept that person in the band, or if they had gotten some more airplay on the Adult Contemporary stations, or if they had appeared on Howard Stern, they'd have sold a lot more," try to imagine how far four aging, paunching 55-year-olds singing "Peacekeeper" would have gotten on that beach stage on "Spring Break" with the audience out there.

Puhleeze.....

Everybody who wanted "Say You Will" bought "Say You Will." Fleetwood Mac was hot in 1976-1978. Every year after that, even if they had a #1 hit album, they were widely considered yesterday's news. Today, they aren't even yesterday's news -- they're like something out of the primeval pools of petroleum. It isn't called "dinosaur rock" for no reason.

but WE love 'em -- & that's really all that matters.

My point, again, is many of CM's fans knew she was releasing a record and it was advertised. She did some press for it as well. So, it is not like it went out without anything whatsoever. But, you will never concede that so that is all.

She was good on Rhiannon :shrug: and SYW - as good as she can be on that. I think it was LB that sunk that boat.

They should have picked songs they could actually sing fairly well at 8 in the morning. Rhiannon and SYW were not good choices, IMO. :shrug:

Brilliantly put, David.

TV didn't change anybody's minds. I bet the only people talking about that TV appearance were we fans.

Everyone who wanted SYW bought it. The millions who didn't want it ... didn't buy it. Their minds weren't changed by TV appearances in freezing-cold weather or other aspects of "promotion" -- they just didn't want it to begin with. What would a typical System of a Down headbanger fan want with "Say You Will"? to use as a clay pigeon?

Yeah, if you're deaf.

It was both of them. :shrug: He stunk, vocally and musically, and she was lethargic and half-assed. It was Dullsville through and through.

I liked watching them perform on that show because they were cold, & there's something about cold weather -- have you ever noticed? -- that makes the performer look sort of more alert & vibrant, I guess because your body is burning more calories trying to stay warm.

As opposed to extreme heat, which makes people look sluggish & lethargic & a little sick.

and, respectfully, you'd be wrong. The radio stations here panned them the morning after and I heard people who are not fans laughing about how bad it was. So, the nonfans saw it and were talking about it. Interestingly, for any of those millions who watch that very popular show who would even think about maybe buying that record, that ruined it. But, I agree with you that SYW was never going to sell millions of records outside of some fluke.

I loved her scarf.

Yup. That's it.


Oh, the GYOW/Peacekeeper intro....I roll in laughter everytime I watch it. Lindsey LOOKED PISSED! :thumbsup:

Say You Will was very heavily promoted by Warners. Songs were showcased on three television shows (That 70s Show, Third Watch, and Friends), the band was named the Artist of the Month by AOL (owned by Warners, surprise surprise), they appeared on the top-rated morning show and the top-rated late night show, there were commercials for the album which gave you a number to order it, the first single got rather decent airplay, etc.

And after all of that, the album only sold 800,000. It only proves that you're 100% correct in your assertion that not a whole helluva lot of people were interested in it. They can promote it until everyone in the Western Hemisphere knows that it's in stores, but if they don't want it, they're aren't going to buy it. And that's exactly what happened.

ITA - and that is sad to me, but that is the way it is.

The only thing I could focus on was her coat. If it was real, someone should have pulled a Joan Rivers on her ass.

then how could you know how bad they were if all you were doing is watching the coat :lol: :lol: :lol:

SWISH :woohoo:

Because my ears were bleeding at the same time I was imagining throwing red paint all over Nicks.

And possibly FM has realized this and made the decision to "throw in the towel"? However sad that might be for us..

Can you elaborate? I didn't see this appearance. What happened? :confused:

so you were red and wanted her to be red :laugh:

BTW - I get that animal rights people are nuts, but if anyone ever through red paint on me, I would try and resist the urge to respond in kind to their battery by beating the living hell out of them and instead I would have them thrown in jail, press full charges, make sure they stayed there a long long time, and then sue the living crap out of them :wavey:

Then don't kill animals for fur. Simple as that. I think it says a lot about someone who can skin an animal without a care in the world just for fashion and then walk around wearing said skin. Makes me vomit.

The band started playing Peacekeeper and Lindsey started GYOW. It's a riot! :laugh: Quite a combo.


Sounds like they had a sudden change in the set that the band didn't know about.

No, destroying anyone's property is just wrong regardless of how you or anyone else feels about it. AND - the law fully supports me on this. If someone does not want fur in clothing, they need to get some to rule it illegal or get it made against the law vis the legislature. But, taking the law into one's own hands is just stupid and anytime anyone does that, they better be prepared to pay for the consequences of it. I mean what if that paint blinded someone or caused them to suffocate because they were allegeric to it? What if it caused them to silp and fall and injure or kill themselves? Would that be worth it? Would that achieve any goal other than saisfying personal rage? No, it would not. Thus, throwing things at people is assinine.

Oh sh*t! :lol:

Were they able to laugh it off? How long did it take the band to stop? I didn't see it, so sorry for all the questions. Was it all of FM or just Stevie and Lindsey with the house band? Gawd! I wish I'd seen this!