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DavidMn 03-27-2006 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by David
His ex-wife's playing is equally tasteful. Can I get an AMEN from Mary Anne & Homer & jbrownsjr? :thumbsup:
I'll throw mine in too. AMEN!

chiliD 03-27-2006 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Gailh
No one person is Fleetwood Mac
That's right...it's Fleetwood & McVie. :laugh:

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Originally Posted by Gailh
The whole is greater than the sum of the parts.
:thumbsup:

Same holds true for The Beatles, as well.

DavidMn 03-27-2006 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by chiliD
That's right...it's Fleetwood & McVie. :laugh:



:thumbsup:

Same holds true for The Beatles, as well.
On the subject of Mr McVie, have you ever seen a bigger rock star with as small an ego as John has?

JazmenFlowers 03-27-2006 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by diamondsnake
Why, oh why does everyone seem to think that Lindsey Buckingham IS Fleetwood Mac? I can't even go to amazon.com and read one stupid review without someone saying how he steals the show and he is the best.

Am I the only one who likes the women in this band more then Lindsey? I like Stevie so much better then Lindsey.... and I like Christine so much better then Lindsey. Not that he is not great, but I am so sick of everyone thinking that he is the best, or he is the star of fleetwood mac.

Does anyone want to debate this topic? Please, I am very bored!
I will just say that FM, to me, has always been about the way the group works, sounds, plays together. Obviously, I have a special place in my black heart for Stevie, but when I think of FM, I don't give any special ranking to any of the members. They all need each other to have that special magic. Lindsey is a very talented person, as is Stevie, Christine and the rest of FM...they all have ingredients that make FM so special. I don't think Lindsey IS FM anymore than I think Stevie is FM. And honestly, I've never really been bombarded by people thinking Lindsey is FM, it's usually Stevie is FM that gets feathers all ruffled. I don't think she is FM, she certainly improves the group, imo, but it's not like "oh there's Stevie and dem oder bitches" - it's "oh there's FM" - at least to me.

as a side note, I always call Destiny's Child Beyonce and dem oder two bitches...that's a prime example of the issue I think being raised here.

HomerMcvie 03-27-2006 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidMn
I will respectfully disagree with you sir.:)
You DO understand that my point WAS that Mirage-on CD- is a terrible recording, right? It wasn't mastered properly, and the levels are REALLY low on it. NO ONE has ever argued that point, til you David.:lol: :lol: :wavey: :p

DavidMn 03-27-2006 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie
You DO understand that my point WAS that Mirage-on CD- is a terrible recording, right? It wasn't mastered properly, and the levels are REALLY low on it. NO ONE has ever argued that point, til you David.:lol: :lol: :wavey: :p
SOrry about that sir. My apologies. I 'm was thinking of the albums themselves.

chiliD 03-27-2006 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by JazmenFlowers
as a side note, I always call Destiny's Child Beyonce and dem oder two bitches...that's a prime example of the issue I think being raised here.
Go back a generation or two and the same can be said for The Supremes ("Diana Ross and dem oder two bitches")

DavidMn 03-27-2006 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by chiliD
Go back a generation or two and the same can be said for The Supremes ("Diana Ross and dem oder two bitches")
I know. Alot of people dont remember who else was in the Supremes.

chiliD 03-27-2006 01:57 PM
Mary Wilson & Cindy Birdsong, but then who're (Hmmm..nice contraction there, chili) the other two in Destiny's Child?

wondergirl9847 03-27-2006 02:29 PM
I'm not even a huge DC fan, but....
 
Kelly Rowland and Michelle Williams. Michelle put out a gospel album while DC was on downtime...so I don't understand the whore thing.

chiliD 03-27-2006 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by wondergirl9847
Kelly Rowland and Michelle Williams. Michelle put out a gospel album while DC was on downtime...so I don't understand the whore thing.
Instead of typing "who are", I contracted it to "who're"...I didn't realize how that looked until I proof-read my post...then added my comment.

The Nisse 03-27-2006 05:09 PM
But why...
 
...didn't Stevie take more chances with the SYW-project? I mean, more than half the songs she contributed were old. She could have stalled the project if she needed more time, surely. Not that old is a bad thing, it just indicates her level of adventure-seeking..

And the tour... Man, she didn't take one step that surprised anyone. Oh yeah, she played Beautiful Child, but that was it, really.. Besides, we heard the same ol' same ol'.. She regularly played Say You Will and Goodbye Baby from SYW and the the classics (sometimes Destiny Rules). I keep thinking Thrown Down or Everybody Finds Out could've kicked some butt live.. Lindsey, on the other hand, played more new songs and generally gave more of himself at the gigs, as many has pointed out.. No wonder he steals the show..

I think it falls back to something Lindsey has always mildly critizised her for, her strong conservative point of view.. I mean, come on...! She keeps hangin' around the same people. Sheryl Crow, Don Henley and Tom Petty, and each time she does so she's using the power of nostalgia. You don't see Lindsey doing that, he makes appearences on albums, including Tom Pettys, but he doesn't abuse it in the same. He tries, as much as he can, to tread new ground..

chiliD 03-27-2006 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by The Nisse
He tries, as much as he can, to tread new ground..
"tread new ground"?? He hasn't since 1979. He's just re-tread that "new ground" over & over, ever since.

The Nisse 03-27-2006 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by chiliD
"tread new ground"?? He hasn't since 1979. He's just re-tread that "new ground" over & over, ever since.
As much as he can....as much as he can. :-) It's a tough thing to do..

But yeah, I think he's done a decent job of it, especially when comparing him to Stevie.. If you listen to technical details going on in the tracks, I hear stuff that I don't hear anywhere else. He's use of manipulated vocals for instance. And that's released after 1979..

chiliD 03-27-2006 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by The Nisse
As much as he can....as much as he can. :-) It's a tough thing to do..

But yeah, I think he's done a decent job of it, especially when comparing him to Stevie.. If you listen to technical details going on in the tracks, I hear stuff that I don't hear anywhere else. He's use of manipulated vocals for instance. And that's released after 1979..

Right...he used manipulated voices on Tusk (in 1979)...and he's used them on every album since.

The Beatles used manipulated voices in 1966; wanna talk "new ground" still? :)

jbrownsjr 03-27-2006 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by David
His ex-wife's playing is equally tasteful. Can I get an AMEN from Mary Anne & Homer & jbrownsjr? :thumbsup:
it's tasteful, but she should break out the solo's more

ok ok ok AMEN

jbrownsjr 03-27-2006 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by David
Hallelujah, sista!

From a musican standpoint, it's pretty amazing that here you had this husband & wife, both blues & rock musicians, & their styles are so beautifully complementary & both so "tasteful" as MacDougall says that you can't help thinking they both had enormous influence on each other in terms of style & approach.

It really worked out luckily for both of them in terms of their development. What a happy, fortunate set of circumstances! I feel more than certain that John played a big role in Christine's development as a rhythm keyboard player of a very specific type, & that Chris played a big role (perhaps not as big?) in John's developing style as a bassist. The source of this two-way influence would have been all those weeks, months & ultimately years that they spent at home or in studios & rehearsal rooms playing together, following each other, listening to each other, mimicking each other musically, learning to play in each other's pocket. You add Mick into the mix--with his special timekeeping style--& you really get a heady brew rhythm section for Fleetwood Mac all those years, the kind of rhythm section that was singled out for its excellence by countless critics & musicians, even to this day. (In 29 or 30 years of reading concert reviews of Fleetwood Mac, I can't remember even once reading a critic say that the rhythm section was anything less than first-rate powerhouse solid.)

Fans talk about the luck of the combination of the 1977 five people in creating such potent chemistry, but I think the luck of the combination of the three Britishers was equally amazing, & the musical chemistry those three created as a rhythm section was just as potent, totally irrespective of Nicks & Buckingham, or of Green/Kirwan/Spencer before that.

It's so nice to know that someone else can see, hear, and observe the same details and nuances that you do.

The Nisse 03-28-2006 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by chiliD
Right...he used manipulated voices on Tusk (in 1979)...and he's used them on every album since.

The Beatles used manipulated voices in 1966; wanna talk "new ground" still? :)
Generally, an idea can develop.. I still believe he was 1/8 the engineer he is now when they made tusk. I can clearly hear a difference in Tusk and releases onwards..

Besides, it was just an example.. My whole point was still the comparison with Stevie, which is what this thread startet out with..


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