Re: (for old time's sake!)
 

SARA! Such fond memories!!! You knew *exactly* the right time to post one of those suckers; they truly were the ray of light on Mick's board! Could you post another of your classic for posterity???

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

With no offense to our gracious and awesome host... somedays I wish I could set up my own 'ledge (tho it wouldnt be nearly as cool). Today is one of them days.

QUOTE]Originally posted by Gypsy-Rhiannon


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As I said I have not got into a slanging match with the other board admins and I never will but I can understand the strong feelings that are being shown in this thread. People feel cheated and quite rightly so and it does seem questionable that Pix would want to get into all this by choosing to post over here when there are plenty of other places to do so.

Pip [/QUOTE]


I find it questionable as well. I think it's called muddying the waters...trying to rewrite history. Bait and flame. Make things appear to be what they are not in the eyes of anyone trying to make sense of this whole thing. The timing is questionable as well. It seems the heat is on now. The tour is winding down. Perhaps it's becoming clear that some fans made a mistake getting cozy with JT ? Who says JT has closer ties to the band than some of the people he burned?

The time for minions to wake up and smell the coffee was around 9am--back when the boss was telling people in private phone calls that he gave you things you now deny receiving. It's almost midnight now and I just wonder...where was your ire then? You shot down the messenger who revealed this information to the fan community, but not the message your boss was sending. Why weren't you worried THEN about people perceiving you as a minion of JT? NOW you want to help fans at this board get a petition against Ticketmaster? Would that be the same kind of petition the band has seen in regards to the fan club fiasco?

No, I don't think you wanted any part of that one. Not when you thought being in JT's corner would get you somewhere. Please understand why some people don't want any part of your last minute crusade against the meanies taking advantage of the fans.

Thanks for bringing us the message, though. I won't shoot you for being the messenger. Just don't get all defensive about some people having a negative attitude against you. Afterall, for the mass bannings and unnecessary weilding of power you enjoyed for so long as administrator of Mick's board...it's a bit shallow of you, Pix...don't you think? For all you've done and failed to do in creating such a sad state of affairs in the FM fan community, your "woe is me" posture is naturally going to encite a negative reaction. Was that your intention?

I'm trying to be as diplomatic about this as possible so not to fan the flames unreasonably, but I have to take issue with you, Pix, when you state emphatically that you haven't lied about anything. I won't be so rude as to flat-out call you a liar. Yet, I agree with those who remember that you DID ban people and delete posts at Mick's board without explanation. I agree that this was ONLY done to fans who were not supportive of JT and the fan club, while other posters who wrote glowing messages of support for him but also wrote nasty personal attacks against non supportive fans were allowed to continue posting without being banned or deleted. I know this becasue I was on both sides of the situation.

When all hell broke loose on Mick's board the day of the first pre-sale, I posted a lot of mean-spirited messages about how people deserved to get ripped off because they didn't listen to the warnings posted about the fan club. I even posted profanity against one poor person who thought I was rubbing it in that so many people got taken. I saved those posts and reply messages for my own peace of mind becasue I did not really mean what I was saying. I wanted to see what was going to happen if I stood with JT on the day so many were up in arms against him. As I recall, I was not deleted or banned for saying a lot of nasty stuff on that day.

Curiously, the next day, I started a poll on Mick's board asking for pro and con opinions about the fan club and the first presale. When it was clear fans at Mick's board were overwhelmingly against the way the fan club and pre-sale had been handled (60 unhappy, 2 happy, 2 others not happy but willing to wait and see), I was immediately banned for saying something was wrong with the pre-sale and my poll was deleted. I haven't been back there since, but I assume no administrator ever explained why the poll was deleted. Care to explain now?

The bottom line is this:

You weren't supporting the fan community when you banned and deleted many of the 60 fans who voted NO, NOT HAPPY, in regards to the fan club fiasco conducted through Mick's board. Now you want us to get on board with you becasue the target of the backlash is Ticketmaster not JT.? Do I have that right?

Please explain why I should join you. Maybe I will.

I'll try to keep in mind that this is the Ledge, not Mick's chat. Everyone's opinions are welcome, whether you agree or not...that includes your opinions, whether I agree or not. I can live with that. Can you?

Its a shame we have to live with that, when they (being JT, Pix and GoldDustWoman) so freely and easily banned us -- yet they can freely and easily come in here any time of day. But such is life I guess.

Re: Re: (for old time's sake!)
 

Aw, I'm so glad that there are others who share my corny sense of humor ;) How about this one? It's dedicated to all of my fellow Banned Mates. You're in good company! :laugh:

http://www.stevienicksunderground.com/destarred.jpg

Hey Sara!
 

thanks for the slide show....now where's Judy:)



C

Re: Hey Sara!
 

GASP!!! I completely forgot about that one!


http://www.stevienicksunderground.com/ohmy.jpg

if this behavior is not accepted at the mf board, why would you behave this way yourself? Dont you know better? you have hit the ban button on many of us.and you cant seem to understand why any info or suggestion from you would cause us to raise an eyebrow. you said your being attacked? look even when we were on your board, it was the last web site/board to have the latest info. we all here have connection and find out thing way before you even post them on your mf board, why would we need you to come here to inform us, i dont mean that rudely, but even if you were or were not attack here, you must be able to at least know that anything you suggest to us HERE would not be accepted with out hesitation for you are the one who banned us from your site, you stated you dont like some of us , fine, and if there are some here who do like you , im sure if they like you they will go over to your board to hear what you have to say there , so there really is no need for you to come here ,of course tho it seems as tho you are coming here to vent, and venting isnt allowed on your board, but of course we will not ban you here, and if you just cant understand why ppl here will react to what you say in the manner they do well than that s your problem....its simple, there is a lack of trust , because when we complained to you or spoke are minds you didnt help us you banned us..thats why we dont see you as an informant to us....and really you are just making yourself look worse now by doing so , than during the whole fiasco with the club, cant you see that. banning me from your board was the best thing to happen to me,, cause my ledgies here are the best folks around.....i think seek said it best lets not reply to his posts, i know i did here , but i just want ed to thank trinity for banning me, . all i can say is it must be pretty damn boring over on that other board if the admins have to come over here ...wonder if JT knows about it, hell it was probably his idea,

why would we combined forces with ppl we dont trust and ppl who treated us the way they did and never made good? then banned us.. maybe youre realizing the ledge has ppl who stick together and have some kind of unity. that you lack over at your board, your board is the one who created the division..why would you expect us to feel differently towards you now? your club has not fixed their wrong doings towards us, but yet you expect us to join forces with you in big numbers.....


sorry couldnt resist posting ,,, ok no more replies to trinity

trin the reason it seems to be going on here is simply cause of your post, that here we can respond with how we feel about something freely..you continue to reply so ppl continue to post. seriously can i ask you something, why would you honestly feel this enviorment would have open arms to you. we do accept everyone, but as long as you are an admin, cant you see why ppl feel they way they do.... hard feelings , yes there are, you dont wrong ppl with out fixing it , and expect them to welcome you without hesitation. as for you banning me, you told me i always tell a person when i bann them,, not so.the other question i have is why would you continue to come here? ok you want to defend your self , you know there is nothing you can say that will change ppls minds ... why do you go start a happy thread on your site , you may feel better, really i mean it .

trin the reason it seems to be going on here is simply cause of your post, that here we can respond with how we feel about something freely..you continue to reply so ppl continue to post. seriously can i ask you something, why would you honestly feel this enviorment would have open arms to you. we do accept everyone, but as long as you are an admin, cant you see why ppl feel they way they do.... hard feelings , yes there are, you dont wrong ppl with out fixing it , and expect them to welcome you without hesitation. as for you banning me, you told me i always tell a person when i bann them,, not so.the other question i have is why would you continue to come here? ok you want to defend your self , you know there is nothing you can say that will change ppls minds ... why DONT you go start a happy thread on your site , you may feel better, really i mean it .

That is interesting Clear Channel are promoting the FM concerts in the UK.....should we be worried?

what would you expect people here to think of you or say to you. your a man who stood behind what JT did to us, you contributed in your own way by banning us, you collected your perks and enjoyed front row tix at shows. i dont care if you paid for them with your hard earn money or not, IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO US. In other words you got them, we were promised them or at least the best front rows and WE DIDNT GET THEM, you accepted your perks and did your dirty work to earn them. so if ppl say your kissing *ss or *ucking *ick, i know it isnt a nice thing to say about someone, but its a natural reaction because your defending someone who has cheated and screwed us, and your still involved with him and your coming here expecting us to accept you. it only leads ppl to believe that you are getting some kick backs / perks , because why would any decent human being stand behind him. and as far as being selective, what was done on your board, to us, doesnt even compare to whats happening to you right here. the difference is, you feel attacked by ppl here who have no use for you here.YET you choose to stay, thats your problem. see on your board , you as an admin, were suppose to help us, not bann us, but your head was so far up someones but you couldnt have cared less about us, AND IT SHOWED. you expect us to be banned here for reacting to your posts negatively, sorry wrong board. you must have some kind of brain damage to think that we would ever have any trust in you. wow what a nice guy telling us front row was a vailable, it was a nice gesture, but dont you think people saw right thru what you were trying to do and how you were trying to do it, like you were now helping us, to little to late, i only hope the fans here did scoop those tix, even tho we were the ones who were suppose to get those kindof tix in the first place..

on your board, you banned ppl who were against the fan club, but let all the ppl who were for the fanclub stay and blast away at us, then we were gone and they got to stay... here ppl yes are reacting to you negatively, with much reason, you have had some newcomers here defend you, but the difference here is even if we question their actions, they are still here. so this board lets everyone say what THEY WANT AND LETS THEM STAY , YOUR BOARD = when they dont like a post that disagrees with the likes of the fanclub, they are banned!!!!! big difference trin, cant you see that,

Why is Trin here?
 

I have been reading this post and the thing I am trying to figure out is why is TRINITY even on this board posting?

I know all FM fans have a "right" to post here, but why would he come to our board where he knows he is not welcome.

I can only guess he is trying to bring the FM community together on this ticketmaster issue, and trying to inform people who have left his board, I mean Mick's board, (which is just about everyone in the FM community...LOL). Isn't that ironic? He is asking us to band together on this ticketmaster issue, but BANNED us from that board when we all felt wronged by the JT/Fan club ticket fiasco and tried to speak up about it.

I just don't understand why he is here. Is it because his board is basically dead?

Has Trinity ever apologized for not helping us? Has he hung up his hat as ADMIN over there and seeking repentance? If he has that would be a different story. (A little late, but still...)

Can someone enlighten me?


REEBOK&LACE

You are certainly not alone in your quest for enlightenment. I was gone for a few hours and suddenly there's suddenly 7 pages of quarelling. I am really ignorant on the subject...plus I don't feel like reading all the pages.

Shamus:)

Re: Re: Re: (for old time's sake!)
 

LMAO! That was my favorite one!! :laugh:

Such fond memories from over there! I remember you had "Rotten Apple" underneath your avatar...:laugh: And then when JT linked to your mp3 of Say You Will (!!)... gldstwmn was banned for saying Dick Van Dyke... I was destarred after writing a limerick about JTs shady business dealings and using it for my signature... glitter and seeknpeace had their computers and IP addys messed with...

Ah, good times... :laugh: :laugh:

Re: Re: Re: Re: (for old time's sake!)
 

Sniff...such good memories. But, one thing that I can say is that I met all you real fans and fighters for what is right through all that mess and I really value that a lot. I always hope to know you and I will try to never miss an opp to meet you. Sarah, put superstar up. That one was my fav. I cannot figure out how to put a pic in the body of a response.

:distress:

I'm not sure how the European Division of CC is run. I think the European leg of the tour has been promoted in a far better manner than it has here. Over here, CC is known for their frat boy antics, deep pockets and political contributions. On the other hand, I know some very decent, loyal folks who work for CC. Judging by how things have gone so far (in Europe), I think you all will be okay.

Re: Why is Trin here?
 

I feel the same way. I'd be willing to get together if any of the minions over there admitted they were wrong. Why anyone would want to be a "volunteer" admin for someone who lied about them...it's beyond me. What have the minions really accomplished besides creating upset among fellow fans?

Can you tell me, was it worth it? Really, I don't want to know.

Why bring this up? Someone's showing their ass here.

Fans who've been hacked are not computer experts and DON'T have access to system resources on this web server...unlike others that have such access to resources at another web server, and also have our personal info necessary to hack into personal computers. Fans also don't have personal information on each other, like certain others who run another web site...which shall remain namless.

You're exposing your hand here, but I guess you know that.

I could show where I paid for every front row, which I won’t, but even if I did you would scream that I was reimbursed. I suppose they gave me the tickets that I gave


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the simple fact that you have gotten front row more than once and even had to pay for them (poor you) and you are an admin, who received perks, then has the nerve to ban us when we complain that the club didnt do right by its members. poor you stuck between a rock and a hard place. more like a rock and a but hole,
accept the perks or be a man, accept the perks or be a real man,
we all know what you have chosen,
now you want us to accept you in any way shape or form.. look if anyone cares to hear your information they know its best to read it on your board. cause isnt that where all your members go.....oh and have a great time at the chicago show.
i would rather sit in the nosebleed section with a crowd of ten thousand screaming fans, than sit next to any of you admins in the front row.

I bought the tickets (front row)from a broker. The fact is you guys just make stuff up and spout it as if it were fact. I have not got one front row at any time through the Club. Either through a presale or any other means. Is this clear enough? I have said this in the past, but you guys just make up one lie after another.

Sorry, but this stuff is ludicrous... If something did happen to your computer (and your not just making this all up) it was nobody from the board that did it. Again you come up with lies and post them as reality. It might be reality in your world, but that doesn't make it so in the real one.

Hey, I know THATS right. Cause, there weren't but maybe one or two per venue, then skipped right to row 19 it seems. Fan Club SUCKS.

WELL I can tell you, Mr. Know IT All, that my damn computer went down the minute that I was banned. I could not sign onto the internet, lost files and ended up having to reformat my entire hard drive. So, you can call me a liar if you want to, but, I lived through that crap. And, it happened the second that your fearless leader banned me and he had my IP addy and all my info. THAT IS REALITY. Put that in your pipe and smoke, stroke or whatever makes you get through the night.

So what now I didn't get front row tickets as perks? Hey lets accept that now and move back to nobody ever got a good seat from the Club.

Rubbish... There was never anyone from the Club that attempted or hacked anyones computer. The allegations are completely false. If something did happen to your computer it had nothing to do with the Club, and I'm through letting you make fault accusations.


Again you make an accusation that is unsubstantiated then accuse the Club or hacking your computer. You speak it as if it were fact, which makes it a lie, so if you get all bent out of shape that I question your motives...Sorry.

I never said that the club did it, I said that it happened the moment that I was banned from Micks site, period end of discussion. And, do you think that I give two ****s for what you think or believe? You who cow tows and scrapes and bows to JT? Get real. You hang in the wrong crowd dude. Dreamer.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I don't know how you got them, and that is between you and the mirror that you look in every morning. But, you joined hands with someone who has proven themselves to be dishonorable and so, hey, like I said, you lay down with dogs...

Oh somebody please lock this thread.....:rolleyes:

I feel like a sleazy voyeur who is watching a fist fight at the playground and not doing anything to stop the fight. Yet I keep watching.....:distress:

I am extremely disappointed in myself. :shocked:

Marty, where are your keys!!!!

susieq :wavey:

Sorry Susie...I will back off. This is not any fun anyway. I am not over there to do this, the other site, but, I don't like it here either. If Pix wants to keep at it, so be it. I am done. Peace out.

Train wreck syndrome... Don't be to hard on youself. :laugh:

ok so you went to a broker, i can accept that cause i know the club had lousy seats, ok so you answered that, but why not answer why you cant understand why ppl here hesitate with caution when you try to inform us, you cant see the broken trust you bring with you > so are you not going to chicago, oh jackie let it slip that she went to a show and got reimbursed hey i cant go back and read all the archives they are deleted and i am banned. maybe i confused the situ, but shes an admin, your an admin... same difference. as far as you telling us whats real in the real world, you have been so brain washed by your boss and your perks that you r the one who cant see the truth cause you still fail to understand why we do not trust you . hey trinity i really dont care anymore what you got or didnt get, i just know what we the fan member s didnt get but were promised, can you answer why????? you know what i dont care cause its just BS like JT has been serving us all along .

Accusations, you should take some of your own advice..facts accusation, motives..look at the club , they had lots of false facts, accusations and motives... you know you started this by posting here and now you want to defend yourself , why, you cant change things unless you admit things that are true about the club and you still are an admin, you are an angry person , and please dont give the excuse we are attacking you,, you responded like a bear and expect us to be meek, and why would you continue to come back for more.

Tracy, That stuff is just not true. I personally paid for Jackie's plane ticket. I'm telling you your have no clue. You get it? I paid for both our plane tickets and was never reimbursed either.

I wasn't even asking anyone to trust me I just brought them a couple of facts about TM. There wasn't anything there that took some trust. All you had to do is follow the link. The same thing with the front row tickets post. Everything that I do is not just for you 5-7 people. I don't want you to like me... I'm not asking you to trust me either. It's not important to me that you do. I post here for the others not for the few of you who are so bitter toward me.

If you leave me alone I will do the same for you. I didn't come over here to stir anything up, but with you 5 people it didn't matter. I'm sorry it has got nasty here, and I ask Marty and the Admins here to forgive my part of it, but I really don't know how I could have avoided it other then not to have posted, but like I said I'm not posting for those of you who are so bitter toward me. Maybe I shouldn't have, but the whole board doesn't rotate around a few of the people that post here.

Please post that thread/email where Jackie said she was reimbursed, because if that was the case I sure would like to have my money back for buying her the ticket.

Listen to you... I started this by posting here. Okay... I guess to post here I have to be liked by you and the other 5?

It wasn't me that has been busy calling names for the last several months. I didn't reply to all of it, but I saw it. I am not and angry person by nature, but when people resort to call me nasty names I will respond to it.

The board on a whole has not attacked me, but there are about five that have called me every name in the book... Anyone who reads here knows that to be true, so don't tell me I started this and I'm angry.

Why do I come back for more? Because I'm tired of these few who are telling lies about me and calling me names. As long as they continue to spew lies about me and call me names I will continue to post. If I have something that I think the other less hostile users would like to know about I will post that as well.

The few will not run me off, so you can continue to lie about me.

You really have been living in that fantasy world over on your board for too long. You really believe that anyone cares to go back and find Jackie's posts about paying for her tickets. I'm not even going to waste my time looking for the posts because they've been deleted. And who cares?


Do you think that Marty can't see you for what you are and can't see what you're doing now? You really need to take your head out of that sandbox you're living in with your friends over there.

Who cares who paid for your ticket or Jackie's ticket - that's the only thing you have that you can prove or defend your actions about. Fine ....you paid for Jackie's and your own ticket. BIG DEAL.


now, you want to start answering the other tough questions.


just like Jonathan Todd....answers what suits him and he can SPIN and then ignores the hard questions.

This is a NO SPIN ZONE.


GO get Jonathan Todd to help you fight TM. He has a lot of resources and thousands of names....but let's face it...that's not what this is about and everyone knows it.

Thank you. signed, one of the five, which are really 460

All of a sudden you want to belong to the rest of the community. Isn't that special, we feel so honored that you want to join us now after you and your administration has brought so much unahppiness and ruined so much for so many. It's so touching this tale of woe that you're trying to SPIN. If everyone including Marty hadn't been reading what's been goign on over on your site for the last 8 months it might be a touching tale. Unfortunately for you, everyone has seen you in action.

You know your board is going down, so start your own board with the people who are left over on that site. You're all a cozy group who think alike now that you got rid of all of the people who lack civility. You won't need Jonathan, you and Jackie have been shallow enough to let him use you all of these months when Fleetwood Mac was paying him to do the work so you're well trained and you can run your own show.


And just for the record, I have never called you one name. Unless I'm not so luck to be included in your witch hunt. You know, we had someone else from your board here a few months ago on a witch hunt and we know where that went.


Where are the LIES about you? I keep asking you to answer the tough questions but you keep ignoring them. If they're all lies and we're all wrong, go ahead, and answer them and prove to everyone that we're all wrong.