That is the most stereotypical and generalized statement I've ever read. To lump all these people into one view isn't fair or even remotely true.

Have you ever heard of a little thing called *metabolism*? I know several people, including past roomates, who didn't eat much at all, even restricted carbohydrate intake, and they still gained weight. It has nothing to do with all fat or obese people eating wrong; it has to do with their bodies. It's wrong to say that the reason these people are fat is because of the way they eat; it just isn't true.

Medications can play a huge part in weight gain. When i was on antidepressants, I gained a lot of weight. I knew going in that I would gain a little, but to the extent that I did. So what did I do? I forced myself to eat healthy. Bread & Circus was my second home. I never touched fried foods, fast food, candy, sugar, or red meat. But, I *still* gained weight. Why? In part because of my medication and in part because of my metabolism. I've since gone off the medication and lost all of the weight.

Also, you need to have some perspectivw when you talk about people who say they don't eat much but then pig out. Have you ever heard of eating disorders? Overeating is one of them and is a medical condition.

What you posted is unfair and I'm sorry you feel that way about overweight people. The people like you who have such opinions about people with extra pounds are the ones who should be educated on metabolism and the human body and it's psyche; you seem to have no grasp of either.

I have to agree with dissention and Pip. From a personal point of view, I haven't had a drop of alcohol in six years, don't eat fried food and exercise every day. I was told by several physicians that the medication I was on directly contributed to weight gain. Your rant sounds more like a personal dislike of women in general.

and let us not forget age is not your friend in the weight gain/loss arena!!!!!!!! :laugh:

So true. It's harder now than it was five years ago. Also, I/most people seem to be more prone to injury.

It's every woman's option to not get married to the wrong man, not have children, not to be in a job they don't want to be in. There would be no need for "happy" medication, then,....................No need for "Prozac Mommies."

.........A way to avoid that would to be just change your lifestyle. It's that simple..........

...Nicks could have chosen to lead an easier life, but she chose to be in the limelight. She wasn't happy being Buckingham's muse in the background; she wanted to be on stage with guys lusting after her. Yeah, LB wanted her on stage, but she enjoyed being the focal point, as she could have refused LB's offer to perform on stage with him. But then she wasn't happy with being a star on the stage, either. She'd get too tired........

.....At Nicks' stage of the game, she could be a full-time producer, and be out of the limelight completely, but she needs so much help. .......TISL cd had one or two co-producers work with her for almost every song, and she relies on Buckingham to produce all her work for Fleetwood Mac. Of course, producing is extremely stressful. Buckingham can vouch to this (Phil Spector, also!), but Nicks wouldn't have to worry about which camera angle is more flattering to her.......

......As for being anti-woman - that's nonsense, as I'm a woman myself.

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Pip

I also think the other thing to remember about weight is that people are different and they gain and lose in different ways and for different reasons. Within the last year I lost over 80 pounds. I did it through a ton of exercise and a modified diet - but most people do not have the three or more hours a day I spent at the gym nor do they have the means to bring food with them pretty much everywhere they go like I did. So, I say do whatever is healthy and works for you and if you are not your ideal weight today, just keep at it - you eventually will get there. Most importantly, slipping up every now and then is perfectly okay as we are all human. Food for thought so to speak!!!!

Strandie, Check your PM's!

I know this is horribly un-PC, but it's important!

-Sharon

Well done with your weight loss!!!

Pip

You have no idea what you are talking about, do you? You have no idea what mental illness means to the many people all over the globe who have mental illnesses like depression, Im talking about numerous documented generations where its a historical thing. You may want to educate yourself and maybe talk to someone who is going through it, it seems to me you are talking down on people who legitimatly need help. Like a "grow up and deal" attitude. Sometimes its not so easy.

I'd like to see YOU do a total 180 from your current lifestyle, then tell me how "simple" it truly was to do that. I highly doubt its simple, at least in the area where I live in, it wouldnt be that easy... things have to be taken care of, bills have to be paid. Sure I'd love to go make CDs or tape concerts for a living, but that's why its WORK. All's Im saying here is I dont think it would be as simple as you portray it to be. Perhaps it is, but if I were to do that personally it would be next to impossible. However, I like my job and have a good life so I have no complaints.

Not trying to attack you Buck, but I have the utmost sympathy and respect for those trying to better their lives and if they need medication to help them, so be it.

Pip, Im proud of you... I used to weigh almost 200 lbs... now im around 135... (gained weight this summer and currently dieting)... so 10 lbs to go and Im set. Good for you Pip!

Well done Stephanie!! It's a contant battle tho eh? I have gained around 18lbs of what I lost and I'm dieting again to be sure it doesn't creep up even more. Good luck with your last 10lbs... I know you can do it!

Pip

:laugh: So? I've seen plenty of women be anti-woman, more so than men sometimes. I hope nothing bad ever happens to you.

Thanks!!!!

I really was not that hard for me once I put my mind to it as I am pretty hard headed at times!!!!!! The hardest part to me was portion control, which for me was the most important thing. I mean who the hell wants to eat just a small slice of anything fattening!!!!! :laugh:

Yes, my weight can fluxuate... after I got really big (around age 23-27), then back down to where I should be... I was ok for a while, but then I noticed as Im getting into my 30's its easier to gain weight and harder to lose it. But I also know it CAN be done, just takes persistence and exersise. Ive fluxuated around 10-20 lbs... and since Im a woman, each month brings that "special time" where I gain a little/lose a little anyway. Just as long as I dont get TOO big again... yikes. Nothing WRONG with larger people, mind you, but just not the healthy choice for me personally. Good luck to you too Pip ~ I really mean that.

I guess in general Im a compassionate person... so hence why Ill defend things like Stevie's weight gain (and loss, and gain and loss) and medicines to help the mind. Like Sheryl Crow sings "If it makes you happy, it cant be that bad!"

Maybe we should all agree to disagree. We aren't even talking about Stevie anymore. But I think we can all agree that she is the best singer in the world, regardless of how much she used to weigh! Also, I do think it is a bit strange that some people won't admit that she looks better now that she lost the weight then she did back during the street angel days. I think it is pretty obvious and I am very happy for her because I'm sure it gives her a lot more confidence which is a quality I can clearly see in her today.

I have often asked myself that. I concluded I do not know the answer because I equate her music so much with her image, esp in live performances and in videos. For example, every single time I hear Gypsy, I think of her dancing in the bar, then the rain, then in front of the mirror, then in the woods with the kids, etc. But then, when I hear CM, I do not think of images at all, just the great music and her happy words. Same for LB - I never automatically associate his image with his music. So, I guess that means I would like SN if I never saw her or, for that matter, watched her on video at least five times a day for like 15 years (hyperbole) :laugh:

If she looked like Sally Kirkland does these days, I'd still love her just as much. :laugh:

When i first heard her, I had never seen her before in my life. The lyrics were just so beautiful and her voice was MESMERIZING. I just remember thinking that this woman had the most amazing voices I'd ever heard. I kept hearing her songs all over the radio (I knew it was her everytime because her voice is unmistakable) and I eventually bought everything she was attached to. So, I was a fan before I even saw what she looked like! It wouldn't matter how she looks; the music and the voice is just the same. :D

I love ole Sally!!!!!!!! :laugh: She hauls out every year for the Academy Awards with such flair even if she has no clue where or who she is!!!! :laugh:

You got that right! Some of the things she wears...oy vey. :laugh:

I still think it is a CRIME that she didn't win back in '87 for "Anna." Her performance was possibly one of the best ever put on film; simply brialliant.

Same here, dissention. I didn't even know who she was when I heard Rhiannon on the radio but the song and her voice kept coming back to me. It wasn't untill I saw GYOW on tv that I recognized her voice from Rhiannon. That she looked good and sexy and all that was cool but not the main reason why I liked her. I liked her voice and her songs.

As for the weight, I don't care how she looks, I do care about her health and happiness. In the Room On Fire video she's pretty overweighed but she looks happy. That's all that matters: her happiness, her songs, her voice and her health. Who cares wether she's sexy or not?! She's a natural beauty and she can't help that.
Debbie

In my opinion beauty comes from within.

Pip

I guess I really don't know. I knew what she looked like before I even heard her sing. The first time I experienced Stevie was on the Dance video. But then again, if looks were all that mattered I would be on a Brittney Spears board.

No one messes with my Stevie!!!!!
 

I couldn't believe how she was treated when she was going through that weight problem. I really didn't see anything wrong with her and I thought that she looked so cute! How can anyone disrespect someone so beautiful? I thinks it's so disgusting how the media always wants women to be these lil thin perfect things! It is so apalling--however u spell that, and I can't take it anymore. I constantly think i'm not good enough b/c of how the media is so fixated(can't spell)on how women should look. I know how Stevie felt b/c I know that growing up I was called disgusting b/c of my weight...It still hurts to think about it...:distress: Anyway, I just am glad that Stevie was so strong and she held her head high, knowing that she did have some problems...My poor Stevie...I think that there is nothing wrong with Stevie being any size, she's talented and beautiful...Did anyone ever find out how Lindsey felt about her weight? I heard that he was not too keen on it and that is something that makes me MAD. I actually think that he had no problem with her b/c she's amazing!

Here's a pic I found of Stevie back when she was put down cause of herself being a cute lil chubby bunny...Ain't she adorable!?
http://pro.corbis.com/images/waterma...0/PN013383.jpg

.:*KIM*:.

See, although her face is thinner, I do not think her waist is that much thinner now - and I think she loloks great if not cherubic in that pic!!!!

I vuv my Stevie
 

Hmm...I think you may be right on Stevie being about the same size in that pic and now...Let me find a good pic of Stevie now...
http://buckinghamnicks.net/sn/images/SNicksDC01.jpg *Whistles* Now that is one hot mum there...LOL! I think that Stevie is thinner then she was in that other pic I posted but that doesn't matter b/c Stevie is Stevie and she so special!

.:*KIM*:.

Re: No one messes with my Stevie!!!!!
 

amen sista lol....I won't blame my self esteem problems totally on the media...BUT, as I'm learning in my public opinion and propaganda class...the media do play a very large roll in the way we think and feel...interesting stuff...and I've been working my ass off all summer at the gym and trying to eat better just so I don't feel like a complete blob walking down campus with all of the mostly naked girls

No matter what people are saying, Stevie was never OBESE...please...there is a man in my town that literally can't hold himself up anymore...he's got this walker contraption...his stomach hangs down to his knees...THAT is obese...Yes she looks fabulous today...and she's gone through some bad times...but why is her weight even such an issue? I just don't get it..she still made good music...she still had her great voice...:shrug:

I was think that if Stevie had just gained the weight from 1989 to 1994 and never been so spaced out on Klonopin and who knows what else (she has said Prozac and Vallium), would she still have gotten the flack for the weight? I think probably so because Delta Burke and other beautiful woman like Stevie all suffered the same weight fate, although Delta had mental issues as well.

I think it says a lot about our culture when stomach stapling has become a new fad.

Well, I just think that was my problem for my low self esteem b/c i'm one of those girls that looks through mags a lot and when I c one of those models, I start to compare myself...I've been doing that since I was in like 7th grade and I think that with all the fake women walking around in Hollywood, that is sick. Did u all know that a size 6 in Hollywood is considered fat? Yup, I heard it on Access Hollywood! Like when one of those chicks from Alley Mcbeal--not Calista, but the first blonde, she had gotten sick and then lost all this weight--and critics were applauding her! Isn't that disgusting? The woman was ill and they applauded that b/c she lost this huge amount of weight! I don't even know what size I am anymore b/c I just wear skirts all the time now...I think i'm a size 11 but i'm not too positive...I'm always afraid to tell people in chatrooms what my weight is b/c they alllllways have to ask! I told some guy once and he told me to go away and never IM him again! Yeah, it hurt and I really can't stand it anymore...

.:*KIM*:.

A size 11 is well below the national average, which I think but am not sure is 16 or 18. So, do not anyone else bring you down!

Yeah, that's what I think my pants size is now but when I was put down for my weight I was like a 14 and 16--i believe. That was in the years '96-'98 and when I finally got in to HS, I went down to like a 12 and now i've graduated and I think that i'm an 11. All I know is that i'm a M in skirt size now...I still think that I need to loose a lot more weight, if I want my music career:(


.:*KIM*:.

That sucks...I know that I am not fat, BUT there is still a part of me that like hangs on to this notion that I am...because, like Gemini said we are bombared with images of "perfect" thin women...but I don't want to live like I'd have to to be that horribly thin...

I just don't think that the whole skeletal look is attractive..and I find it sad that we live in such a shallow society...a good friend of mine lived in El Salvador for three years where she was constantly told she was too skinny...it was a sign of health and good fortune to be "bigger" and I was like...man..that's where I gotta go lol!!!

I can also remember thinking I was fat from around age 7...it's just sad what this society does to young girls...

So true, so true...
 

Yeah, I think that it makes women look ill when they look so thin...My theatre teacher tried to perk us up one day by saying that there's no problem with being a size 14--she said that the girls on "Friends" look gross...lol...The thing is, the next year like when I became a JR.--she was eating these low fat and carb bars that make you thinner...I was like, "Ok Ms.Dabelow, you said that it does not matter if you're a size 14 and now you're trying to get thinner then you were?" It was weird b/c like she had died her hair this blonde blonde and her whole attitude changed...I think that was b/c of her new "boyfriend" though...*Rolls eyes* Most men screw up everything...LOL! Anyway, I'm just saying that those models on Tv and in the magazines, I would like to be some of them--but not the ones that are like bones. What is so stupid about them, is that their "cup size" is like not even their real size--they're implants. I actually don't know why Stevie had put in implants when she was perfect the way she was? That kind of bothered me in a way b/c I saw Stevie as like this woman that didn't care what she looked like and she just wanted to be her. I'm glad that she's not fake now but she never actually was but those implants were--i'm glad she got rid of them. I like the women artists that don't care what cup size they are, like Sheryl Crow and Annie Lennox:nod: Anyway, living down in Florida now is like different then Illinois b/c like all these thin women are walking around with these hot surfer boys and I know that none of those guys would be interested in me, so what's the use in trying? I never had a boyfriend and it's probably b/c they want a "thin thin" girl...

.:*KIM*:.

You guys make it sound like woman are the only ones who are put down for their weight. I think it is really hard for us men too. If I have to see one more guy with a six pack, huge muscular arms, and huge pecs I'm going to vomit. I think it is maybe worse for you girls, but not that much worse. I mean, maybe it is a little more taboo to discuss a man's weight and woman get picked on a lot more, but it is still very hard for us. Or at least I find myself saying, "If I could only look like...." I think that everyone suffers from thinking this kind of stuff though.

I think everyone wants to be healthy and happy, which is usually associated with being thin, which is not necessarily true all of the time. I mean, I think the girls on Friends look okay - I do not think they are too thin. I equate Lara Flynn Boyle (sp.?) with skeletal - but she says that is just how she is buiilt. I know a girl like that and Mick Fleetwood was like that when he was younger.

Also, I try never to begrudge other people who really work on their bodies and look what I think is great for it. A good example of this would be Stevie, Madonna, Antonio J. Sabato, Jr., to name a few. If that is what they are into "who am I to keep [them] down?" I just think it stinks when I try to hold myself to that standard and, therefore, have an unreasonable expectation of my body, the time I am willing to put into it, the fact that I like to eat alot, etc. Yet, I, like everyone I know, always strive to look better and I usually judge "better" by a picture in a magazine, which kind of sucks I think, but I still find myself doing it .:confused:

I'm sick and tired!
 

After all of this talk on here, there is a special on Access Hollywood about Actresses that struggle in this business--IT'S AWFUL! You never see a special with the men that are not "up to par" in Hollywood and their weight! It's always the women and i'm sick of it! Yes, men can and do have that problem but it's mostly the women and I dislike it! When I was at the American Idol's audition, there was this really nice girl that was overweight and no one would talk to her! She had a nice voice and a great personality but no one would talk to her--it was so sad! She would like smile at someone and they would not even smile back! I know that she goes through what I used to b/c one of my nicknames was "earthquake." I remember this one girl asked this one boy if he would go out with me and he said, "No, she's too chubby." That felt awful and I grew to hate myself but it's going better for me now.
I'm still watching the show right now and it's so sad how like some of these actress were put down like Stevie:distress: It's so sad and no one should have to go through that! I think that it's not fair that men can be whatever size they want and it's "ok." I mean, yes, men do get ridiculed but not like us women. I look at like music vids and there's men that are extrememly heavy and they have these thin and sexy women hanging on them! Now, would that happen in real life? No, not unless the woman was a...u know...A woman that gives out...Anyway, I don't know if that came across right but at least I know what i'm talking about...I'm wondering if Stevie will be on this show but I doubt it...Oh, one more thing...Jamie Lee Curtis--she's so great! I mean, she came out and said that she's not perfect. I know that when my dad saw her on Jay Leno this recently he was like, "What happened to her? She's so big." I blew up in his face. I'm not sure if he was joking but he seemed serious...Anyway, I think that the media sucks but I still want to be part of it--I want to help change it.:nod:

.:*KIM*:.

Did you know what these Hollywood beauties do to be that thin? On the Ally McBeal set the actresses exposed themselfes to an indian virus to get ill for 2 weeks, so they would loose alot of weight, they ate cotton swaps rolled in orange juice to have something in their stomachs at all and more than one of them consumed cocaine to stand the hunger. Calista Flockheart collapsed more than once because of "exhaustion" and "dehydration" on the set. Insiders said that it was a suprise that all the leadactresses survived the 4th season.
The only actress who did not wanted to ruin her health was the one who was in Melrose Place before, she quit the job... good for her. Isn't that all madness?

Re: I'm sick and tired!
 

OMG! Jamie Lee Curtis is one of the most naturally beautiful woman I've ever seen. That one has so much confidence and gusto that she just oozes sexiness, IMO.

I remember about six months ago when she did a magazine spread and I just remember thinking to myself "This is one class-act!!" She took one full-page picture where she was all done up with make-up and a girdle, an expensive designer dress, and lots of airbrushing. Then, on the next page, she did another full-page photo. Only this time, she wouldn't wear any make-up or let it be airbrushed and she just stood there in her underwear. She said she did it to show people out there that the people in movies are just like every other human being and they all have flaws. She said that she finds it sickening how these actresses out there project themselves perfect when they aren't and are setting bad examples. Then, she proceeded to point out her body parts that were especially "normal": her hips, her thighs, her tummy. She just ROCKS!

She did an interview on E! where she got *really* angry about infomercials, too. She said she is disgusted by these size 0 bimbos who go on TV to advertise a product to vulnerable people. She said that it made her sick when she heard them say that a certain product would change someones life.

A class-act all the way, Kim! :D

I like Jamie Lee Curtis anyway. But I really admired her for coming out and saying "I'm not perfect" and then illustating it with pictures. That was gutsy.