Awwwww that was so sweet of Stevie Nicks!! Does Lindsey spray tan?

:laugh: well, if LB was dominant influence in FM, EP with new songs would be out months ago.

I don't understand why Lindsey would be the one holding up the EP. He is the one that went and recorded new material hoping to turn it into a Fleetwood Mac album. Stevie shot that idea down, so it stands to reason that she would be the hold up behind the EP as well. Lindsey has shown he wants to put out new Fleetwood Mac material, I haven't seen anything from Stevie that shows she does as well. And with how productive Lindsey has been over the last few years, I don't see him being the holdout.

THIS I do agree with. I was speaking just in general, over the years. But YES, he has made it very clear he wants this album (or EP) out. So blaming Lindsey for it not yet being released makes no sense at all.

That's assuming that it's someone in the band that's keeping it from being released. And considering they announce its imminent release at every show I'm inclined to believe it's not.

Somehow I don't think it's Mick. I think it's either Stevie or Lindsey as those are the two with the real power these days to green-light or hold up a project. Did LB vote down using ITM material coz Ken produced it, and he, Lindsey, wouldn't get to put his mark on it and he sees himself as the "visionary" for FM?

Stevie was not thrilled with the final production of her songs on SYW. In the documentary Thrown Down is a clear example. She clearly ends up going along to get along with the production. When it came to the *business* decision of single vs double album, Lindsey lost out but that's because there are outside forces, i.e., business managers, for all the other members who have no qualms about arguing their position forcefully. I think Lindsey doesn't have the *business* sway in the band (I think these days tho that Stevie does) but Lindsey still seems to have the *creative* sway. I think Stevie is no longer happy allowing Lindsey's vision for the music to override hers , and I think the SYW experience was the last straw on that. Added to that her experience working with Dave Stewart and her repeated comments about how easy it was to work with him because he didn't take creative disagreements personally and didn't invest his ego in them and was willing to bend or change and you get a clear sense of why she doesn't want to endure another recording experience with Lindsey unless there's a designated mediator/final voice in the form of an outside producer.

I think Christine has clear ideas for her music and wouldn't just hand it over to LB. Maybe she got tired of the same issues Stevie has in that regard.

I think Mick and John are missing the ballast Christine provided, personally and musically.

LB said in november that he wanted FM to release new songs before the start of the tour. that didn't happen.

since the tour started, the only advertising they had about new EP is LB saying at the shows that it will be coming out "soon". that has been transmitted by various musical outlets, but there is no proper PR campaign, and EP is not listed anywhere to pre-order.

even LB's low key solo stuff was handled with much more fanfare than this.

at Mohegan show yesterday, LB said it will be coming out in a week. he's been the only one saying that publicly, and from what i heard Mick has said it at Mohegan m&g too.

so the 2 of them certainly are not the ones holding it up, since especially LB is the one who ends up looking stupid for saying unsubstantiated stuff if EP does not come out.

i'll be surprised (and unbelievably pleased) if EP does indeed come out on April 30. :p

of course, if that does happen everybody will probably be dumping on LB for pushing the EP out when their PR and management were so obviously not ready. :shrug: :laugh:

Bingo. That may be a far more convincing reason why Christine left Fleetwood Mac, in a combination with some of the answers we've gotten over the years.

yes, pretty sure that's the case. and those business managers are stuck in the stone age, which is unfortunate for both FM and us.

i don't see Christine ever having problem with telling Lindsey exactly what she thinks and what she wants regarding her music.

i think Christine and Lindsey were very much equal footing collaborators, complementing each other in their differing strengths and weaknesses, as they both said and acknowledged many times.

Agreed, FM is the worst run organization I have ever seen. Remember Unleashed they were going to release the Rumours remastered blah blah blah and it never came out.

I think there's a lot of truth in what you say, but really the band does not tell us the whole truth about anything--- they are smart enough when they talk to the media to not give away too much of the real dirty laundry. They have a certain narrative and they pretty much stick to it. There is sooo much crap we'll never know about because we only ever get the most fleeting glimpses behind the curtain. And when they are onstage, they are indeed giving a *performance*.. they are selling a particular vision of Fleetwood Mac, not the unvarnished reality. They know the vision of the band we all want to believe and they most definitely cater to that. So who really knows....

yes, agree very much with all of that. :nod: and really they don't owe anybody their behind the scenes dirty (or clean!) laundry, however much people may seem to want to take a peek.

There's been no reason for Christine to hand her music over to Lindsey. As a musician, she can flesh out what she wants much more clearly than Stevie can and there's no need for him to take over on her songs. Even when she was mad at Lindsey after he left Tango, she never complained about his handling of her music, although she had other negative things to say.

I think the way she talked about the Tango songs, with her having the music and him supplying the words on one track and him having the music and her supplying the words on another, was very illustrative of the back and forth and parity in their collaborations.

And when she left the band, they weren't even working on new music anyway.

I've always thought the limo conversation in which Stevie is complaining because Christine wanted Lindsey to sing with her on Hold Me was revealing of what Christine thought of the value of his vocal contributions on songs like Don't Stop and Think About Me meant.

Michele

I wonder whether Christine and Lindsey did just have some harsh words at The Grammys? I certainly don't see her being annoyed with him at the way he produced her songs, as around the time of ITM she was generous about him and the way he did so.

When Lindsey was, repeatedly, saying in 2009 that she 'burned her bridges' after The Dance (complete with an intriguing and ambiguous smirk) I got the feeling that the two of them may have fallen out at the time, and that time had cooled whatever the argument was.

I'm not saying this was the only reason: we all know she didn't want to tour any longer and that she hated flying; we know that she was homesick and hated the earthquakes when she lived in California; we know that her marriage was breaking down.

But maybe a post-Grammy's argument was the straw that broke the camel's back? It would sort of thread together all the different stories you hear about *when* Christine said she was leaving. She said she told them all it would be her last tour before they set out; Stevie, I seem to remember, said at one stage that it was about 20 dates into the tour; Mick said something similar; other versions have said it was after the last night of the tour, others that it happened after the Brit Awards. Maybe it was a slow drip-drip of all of these, leading to a flashpoint after the Grammys?

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