I went back and read a lot of the exchanges. I wouldn't necessarily consider them "ban-worthy", but those posts between the three of him are really on the narcissistic-creepy side.... One of the response posts to Dulcimer says something along the lines of "I don't think Carne needs your help to support his point". :eek: Creeeeeeepy!! I guess he did need Dulcimer's (his own) help after all... (I feel a weird Sybil moment coming on any moment now).

While I think that maybe Carne thought that he was having fun, I don't think he may have realized just to what extent his "gamesmanship" was having on other posters. Jacob was getting pretty upset from the demeanor of his response posts, and looking in hindsight, it appears that Carne was getting quite a lot of glee out of his tag-team plays. Surely, he was smart enough to know he would get caught. Several posters correctly guessed in the threads that NoThatFunny was, indeed, Carne in disguise. I guess he just didn't think anyone would make that big a deal about it.

I don't know, but I think that Carne was banned for some pretty lame reasons. :sorry:

Everyone's done something to piss off a moderator or fellow Ledgie. Each and every one of us have, admit it. What's gonna happen the next time someone hits a nerve with a moderator? Are they going to be banned? I'm not saying that people should be able to get away with everything, but what Carne did was just immature, if you want to call it that. It wasn't anything horrible and nothing that could *truly* be rendered offensive. Now, I don't know the whole story behind this, keep in mind. But from what I could tell, he didn't say anything really offensive. I didn't bother with the original Tusk Survivor thread in the end, since it got pretty lame with all of the bickering and whatnot. That didn't offend me or anything, though. I just thought it was childish. There have been plenty of immature posts and a few real offensive posts here and there, but do you see any of the people posting them getting banned/reprimanded/whatever? No, you don't. It's just not fair that you're banning Carne when the absolute worst thing he did was cheat in a silly little game by using a different screen name. And I agree with Dissention in that what he said was not worthy of a ban. Maybe a warning or a temporary suspension, but a ban? Sheesh.

[throws two cents onto table]

-Kate

That's what i could be tempted to think, but then on the other side, remember, he already had 2 STRIKES. Which means he had been sufficiently warned as to the rules, and why people get banned and striked. He coulda modified, with that much warning and all. Not saying it's right, but just pointing out a possible other side....
AMber

idont think everyone has, i dont think i have

chris

You did back in your Bush-lovin' days. :laugh: j/k

I was never a BUSH lover.....I like to refer to those days to simply being mis informed.. If I had known what he really stands for I would have never supported him, but I was supporting him based on only what he was saying..not what was REALLY happening.

Chris

I know, I'm only joshing ya. :p

Hi Kate:

Apparently you didn't read the following part of the statement from the Moderators:

Despite doubts to the contrary, our decision to ban CarneVaca had absolutely nothing to do with his criticism of the way the Ledge is run, or any criticisms directed at the moderators.

We have never awarded strikes or bans based on treatment of the moderators, in fact, we are extremely careful never to let our personal feelings influence our deliberations.

Barbara

Well, not nesicarily "piss off", but pretty much EVERYONE has disagreed with someone. And lots of people take that to heart. That's what I meant to say.

-Kate

Then What DID cause the ban. Danm you people don't like giving clear answers. If it wasn't the critisism and it wasn't the fake names (which is actually a shock to me, i never would've guessed, but it does proove all those times SMAP stayed in Survivor was invalid) then WTF caused the strikes. I think it's personal, and don't try to say it isn't. I believe we've all stepped to CV's level. And some have done worse. Why doesn't HomerMcVie have a strike for his recind the goat sig. That's been bothering me forever (ignore this HMCvie just making a point) I find him far more offensive then CV. And I'd even call Dissention more offensive then CV (again just making a point Dissention I still like you) I think during that Survivor game "I" even got pretty down and dirty and I was definitely doing as much harrassing as you like to say as CV did. And whats with that harassing. What would you consider harassing. I didn't see any. The only thing he did wrong was try to fix the Survivor game and all you had to do was ban his 2 alliases.


And since you said in that quote above that it doesn't matter what we say to the moderators then YOU MODERATORS SUCK!!!!!.
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And why are some people moderators who don't contribute one danmed thing to the boards. JS is an active member and of course Marty's VERY important who aside from some very very bad judgement does an amazing job with this place. And Janet's good. But other then that, WTF is witht his Barbara person who pops up now to make a decision but never does Sh*t overwise.

I believe this is the reason for the ban.

What surprises me is that Carnevaca seems to be a smart man, RUDE but smart and he knew he had two strikes and was warn about this. Still he did it again. I guess he felt the moderator wouldn't banned him. :shrug:


I guess we can call it "The Carnevaca Rule". :eek:

Isabel

Hawkeye, I think we (the moderators) all feel that the answer to that question was obvious in the statement Marty posted for us, so I'm not sure why you feel we're not giving a clear answer.

There are rules against "harrassing, insulting, taunting, nasty remarks or name-calling." Which also includes "taunting (as) defined as 'aggravation by deriding, mocking, criticizing or carping'."

The comments directed towards Jacob, especially, were way out of line in the "taunting, deriding, insulting" vein. In fact, we received quite a number of complaints about those particular posts.

And then when it became clear that additional usernames were being used to "gang up" on him further, the situation was exacerbated.
Same with the comments towards ThinLine and others in the 'What The Hell' thread.

I don't think I can stress enough that this wasn't a decision we were HAPPY about making... not in the least.
But after reviewing all of the facts, and taking previous strikes into consideration, this was the decision we came to.





Other moderators aren't always as visible as I am on the boards, but that certainly doesn't mean they "don't do s**t."

I happen to have only a part-time job and no children or significant other, so the amount of time I have available to post here, is greater than that of others. Though I'm sure they'd all love to have far more free time than they do, so they can indulge in more recreational activities such as posting here!

At any rate, our position on this has been explained, and I think any more would just be redundant.

I (in fact, we all do) respect that not everyone will agree with our decision, but we stand by it.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Funniest

banning

ever!

I'm sorry. And, I really meant NO offense by it. I wasn't referring to anyone in particular(seriously). If you asked my friends, they would absolutely tell you that I make goat and sheep jokes ALL the time. Yes, I'm a dorky, wanna-be comedian. And they would confirm that, too. Maybe you're a tad sensitive?

Wow! Far more offensive? That hurts. I have been making a conscience effort lately to lighten up my posts, because I feel a select few are thinking I'm an asshole. If you knew me, you would know that I am a kind person. However, I DO suffer fools lightly, especially those who blindly praise non-worthy actions/performances, and am not afraid to let them know how I feel.
A STRIKE for "Rescind the Goat"??? Geez Louise. You have got to be kidding me? Pardon me for having a sense of humor which you obviously don't appreciate. I'll try to PC/mamby pamby up my future posts for you, since you are clearly offended by RESCIND THE GOAT!
(yes, I started this post in an apologetic fashion, and the further I went, well........)
RESCIND THE GOAT!!!

I agree. So my theory is that he got what he asked for. It seemed to me that he was begging to be banned! I don't know if he regrets it now... that's something to ask the man himself!