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jmn3 08-01-2023 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1286433)
I really do think she's certifiably NUTS. What an egomaniac!
A Christine song comes on - “that’s me!” 🥴

HomerMcvie 08-01-2023 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jmn3 (Post 1286434)
A Christine song comes on - “that’s me!” 🥴
She taught Christine and Lindsey their proficiency on their respective instruments. HOW DARE they take any credit for FM's success. The nerve!!!!

She probably brags about the odor of her own flatulence. :lol:

jbrownsjr 08-01-2023 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1286435)
She taught Christine and Lindsey their proficiency on their respective instruments. HOW DARE they take any credit for FM's success. The nerve!!!!

She probably brags about the odor of her own flatulence. :lol:
Remember how she acted when Bill asked to use Christine's Don't Stop?
I was screaming at the tv at her because her language was always insinuating it was she that was asked.

UnwindedDreams 08-01-2023 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1286424)
Did anyone ever ask Lindsey in one of the meet and greets if Stevie's infamous 3 hour rant/phone call before the 2013 tour was actually a 3 hour recount of every beef she's had from 1975? I'd love to know the actual truth of what that phone call was.
I think it was supposed to be from 1968 on. However, nothing was resolved because apparently now she won't work with him because of things he did to her when he was 19 in 1968, per her quote in RollingStone September 2021.

Lindsey was fired because Stevie and Lindsey had an argument. She said it to Zane Lowe, it wasn't about a tour delay.

bombaysaffires 08-01-2023 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1286409)
I think she knows deep down inside that he and Christine both had something to offer, even in their final years of working together. BuckVie was widely well received by music fans, the press etc. Those two were still able to be working artists. Stevie is now a legacy act based upon her work from 20-30+ years ago and now she’s stuck with that legacy act schtick.

She’s apparently so embarrassed by her 80s solo work that she won’t even acknowledge her latest career spanning album box set. I guess it makes sense since she uses all her Fleetwood Mac songs to sell solo tickets.
most of her classic FM stuff that she does is early stuff and ALL of it arranged by Buckingham far, far better than she or anyone else could ever have done it (Landslide, Rhiannon, Dreams, Gold Dust Woman, Gypsy). As he said in an interview, any number of her hits could well and should have been listed as co-writes. And then things like how she wrote "where is the reason, don't blame it on me, blame it on my wild heart" to his track and chord progression and he should have been credited (who knows how many others). It's no different to how she wrote She Loves Him Still and had to list Mark Knopfler as co-writer. Prince should have been co-writer on Stand Back but her charm worked....

bombaysaffires 08-01-2023 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1286430)
Going back to 2013 interviews is fascinating with the knowledge of what would eventually happen. I had forgotten all about this one:

https://fleetwoodmac-uk.com/wp/the-m...icks-dec-2013/

Lindsey also told MOJO: “There are still parts of mine and Stevie’s relationship that are unresolved and it will be interesting to visit that on this next tour…”

Stevie: He’s probably referring to what I call ‘The Talk.’ About a year and a half ago I told him everything I had wanted to say to him since 1968. I said, “Do you remember how cute we were? How we could walk into the room together and people would be mesmerized because we were so funny and smart?” I said, “Lindsey, if we can’t go back to being those people, I’m going to quit. I have other people I can work with that treat me with warmth and utter respect, and in my world there’s never a harsh word spoken.”

And his reaction?
Stevie: He was very quiet. I said, “The ball’s in your park, Lindsey 2013 better be great.

So has it been great? When the pair of you hold hands on-stage now what’s going on there exactly? The hand-holding on the 2009 tour seemed a bit hammy..

Stevie: That’s interesting. My cousin John has known Lindsey and I since 1968. He told me, “When I saw you and Lindsey play with Fleetwood Mac in 2009, there was nothing between you. It was as if you were thinking, ‘What shall I get from room service tonight? Grilled cheese? Tomato soup?” Hammy wasn’t the word for Lindsey and I in 2009 – it was totally fake. But what you see on-stage now is not fake. It is loving, and it is as close to those two people who met as teenagers as you could hope for. Every night I tell the story of Without You, the poem that I wrote in 1972 before we made the BuckinghamNicks album. The story has become longer than the song, and I told Lindsey, “I’m sorry, I’m trying to shorten it.” He goes, “Don’t worry, Stevie – it’s charming.” Three years ago he would have been like, “Are you kidding? We could do The Green Manalishi in that time…”

---------------

So you want your ex to treat you as if you're still a couple (40 years after the fact!) and that's how you're going to judge if you're being respected on tour?

It was totally fake in 2009, but it's somehow not fake in 2013 despite threatening to quit if he didn't pretend to be your boyfriend? It's no wonder Lindsey suggested that Stevie was still in love with him during the 2021 press feud.

I've got nothing...
this made me laugh because I suddenly remembered that image of a handwritten note from Stevie way back when to someone-- like staff somewhere.--- listing the foods that she liked and I swear it said grilled cheese and tomato soup:laugh:

BigAl84 08-02-2023 10:07 AM
Another gem from 2013
Nicks said that the rest of the band wanted to tour last year, but that she’d been so happy with her most recent solo album, “In Your Dreams,” that she wanted to dedicate more time to supporting it. “I sat everybody down and said, ‘Listen, please understand. I’m never going to break this band up. Never. I’m never going to leave you. I’m just going to go away for under a year’ to focus on the record.

Fast forward to "somebody in the band didn't want to tour..." in 2018

BigAl84 08-02-2023 10:14 AM
LOL...this article summarizes alllllllll the double standards
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...l?guccounter=1

bombaysaffires 08-02-2023 10:50 AM
Great article.

Among the many bits that made me laugh was this one: "Fleetwood Mac will be releasing two new songs before the tour begins: “Sad Angel” and “Miss Fantasy,” both written by Buckingham but sung largely by Nicks."

What versions of those songs did the writer hear???

also interesting that she indicates they re-recorded Without You to be a sort of bonus track to a 40th anniversary re-release of Buckingham Nicks. That would have been disastrous.... nothing would show how deteriorated her voice is than that new version next to the original stuff. :eek:

UnwindedDreams 08-02-2023 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1286452)
Another gem from 2013
Nicks said that the rest of the band wanted to tour last year, but that she’d been so happy with her most recent solo album, “In Your Dreams,” that she wanted to dedicate more time to supporting it. “I sat everybody down and said, ‘Listen, please understand. I’m never going to break this band up. Never. I’m never going to leave you. I’m just going to go away for under a year’ to focus on the record.

Fast forward to "somebody in the band didn't want to tour..." in 2018
Stevie should have learned guitar so she could’ve played and been front person like Gaga and Sheryl Crow. Would have never needed Lindsey!

BigAl84 08-02-2023 10:56 AM
They were SUPER close to releasing Buckingham Nicks back in 2012/2013. This interview shares both the perspective from both of them. There seems to have been some kind of disagreement with what to do with Without You.

I kinda get the impression that Stevie wanted to throw it onto a Buckingham Nicks re-issue as a bonus track, do a few shows, and kinda cram it into the year that Fleetwood Mac would have been touring in 2013. Lindsey wanted to wait and do it right and not rush through it. Lindsey seemed thrown for a loop that she shows up with a long lost Buckingham Nicks track she wants to work on, yet wasn't open to working on any Fleetwood Mac material just prior to the "get together" they had to work on "Without You"

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/m...od-mac-233617/

soul_drifter333 08-02-2023 12:00 PM
Seriously it shouldn't have been that hard to figure out (at least to reasonable people). They could have remastered BN at the start of the 2003 tour with 2 new tracks, one Stevie and one Lindsey, and performed a mini BN set in the middle of the FM set with Mick and John playing. The music isn't that didn't different to make it sound consistent as one show. The fans would have gone nuts and it would have sold a ton more copies of BN. Of course, and as usual, that didn't happen and now we won't get any new music from the 5 and, more than likely, no remastered BN. At this point so much time has passed very few people still care.

I actually enjoyed the 2003 shows that I saw and those were the last FM shows that I ever saw.

jmn3 08-02-2023 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by soul_drifter333 (Post 1286457)
Seriously it shouldn't have been that hard to figure out (at least to reasonable people). They could have remastered BN at the start of the 2003 tour with 2 new tracks, one Stevie and one Lindsey, and performed a mini BN set in the middle of the FM set with Mick and John playing. The music isn't that didn't different to make it sound consistent as one show. The fans would have gone nuts and it would have sold a ton more copies of BN. Of course, and as usual, that didn't happen and now we won't get any new music from the 5 and, more than likely, no remastered BN. At this point so much time has passed very few people still care.

I actually enjoyed the 2003 shows that I saw and those were the last FM shows that I ever saw.
And it would've been different enough to do that kind of set in 2013 than what they did in 2003 that Mick easily could have milked another live release out of it to make a fortune by spotlighting that Buckingham Nicks mini set. They're a band of missed opportunities. I will long say that 1998 was the time to strike Buckingham Nicks GOLD but in absence of that, 2013 would have worked quite nicely. Now, who cares indeed. They're so dumb. And she's the leader of the dumb.

bombaysaffires 08-02-2023 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1286456)
They were SUPER close to releasing Buckingham Nicks back in 2012/2013. This interview shares both the perspective from both of them. There seems to have been some kind of disagreement with what to do with Without You.

I kinda get the impression that Stevie wanted to throw it onto a Buckingham Nicks re-issue as a bonus track, do a few shows, and kinda cram it into the year that Fleetwood Mac would have been touring in 2013. Lindsey wanted to wait and do it right and not rush through it. Lindsey seemed thrown for a loop that she shows up with a long lost Buckingham Nicks track she wants to work on, yet wasn't open to working on any Fleetwood Mac material just prior to the "get together" they had to work on "Without You"

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/m...od-mac-233617/
It was great spending time with Linds. We’re old enough now that we’ve laid down our weapons. We started this whole thing in 1968 and we’re proud of what we’ve done. We look each other in a slightly different light now. It’s a good light.

Clearly not for long.

Question: A lot of your peers have been playing their classic albums straight through on recent tours. Has there been any talk of doing Rumours straight through?

Well, no. But we do a lot of songs from Rumours. If we did that, we would really be left with only a certain amount of time to do the hit songs that people want from all the other records. So that would be a very different tour. That’s not to say we couldn’t do it, but that’s not the tour we’re doing this year. It might be fun at some point though. It might even be a good idea to film that. Then we could talk about each song and all the experiencers that went along with them.

Guess we'll never get that either now. The funny thing is, LB seemed genuinely interested in the possibility.

bwboy 08-02-2023 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1286456)
They were SUPER close to releasing Buckingham Nicks back in 2012/2013. This interview shares both the perspective from both of them. There seems to have been some kind of disagreement with what to do with Without You.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/m...od-mac-233617/
Thank you for posting this! So interesting to read, even more so now.

A ton of interesting stuff, but I was surprised when Lindsey said he couldn’t imagine a BN tour when the album only had nine songs. I guess Lindsey forgot that he and Stevie did several shows to support the album when it first came out LOL! Even besides the 9 songs on the album, of course they could perform I Don’t Want to Know, Twisted, and other select FM songs that featured Lindsey and Stevie. Heck, even Peacekeeper and Say You Will.

Another surprising tidbit was the interviewer’s great idea to perform each album straight through- except no one pointed out they couldn’t because Christine wasn’t in the band at that time. But one solution would have been to perform the White album and Rumours straight through together- that would have been pretty damn incredible.

BigAl84 08-02-2023 07:58 PM
It’s such a shame. If those two had some sort of middle man to help figure things out, I wonder what could have happened. Everything was always done through the lense of Fleetwood Mac projects and all of the management and lawyers that went with it. Had they had a third party that would simply help them map out what they wanted and when. Somebody with a background in conflict mediation and artist management.

sleepless child 08-02-2023 08:35 PM
Very interesting that Stevie suggested BN shows in between Fm shows. And Lindsey didn't want to do it. But in 2017 when Lindsey suggests doing the same thing for his project she uses it as an excuse to fire him. And then lie to the press. What a load of crap!

Macfan4life 08-03-2023 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by bwboy (Post 1286468)
Thank you for posting this! So interesting to read, even more so now.

A ton of interesting stuff, but I was surprised when Lindsey said he couldn’t imagine a BN tour when the album only had nine songs. I guess Lindsey forgot that he and Stevie did several shows to support the album when it first came out LOL! Even besides the 9 songs on the album, of course they could perform I Don’t Want to Know, Twisted, and other select FM songs that featured Lindsey and Stevie. Heck, even Peacekeeper and Say You Will.

Another surprising tidbit was the interviewer’s great idea to perform each album straight through- except no one pointed out they couldn’t because Christine wasn’t in the band at that time. But one solution would have been to perform the White album and Rumours straight through together- that would have been pretty damn incredible.
Why do you think for those tours without Chris that they did not perform a few Buckingham/Nicks songs. When they were touring after SYW and not promoting something big, it would have been the perfect time. I remember thinking that it would have been the perfect time to do Frozen Love, Dont Let Me Down Again, and Crying In The Night.
My hunch it was for the same reason they dont do many deep cuts. They fear the audience will not know the songs. It shows how shallow and superficial the people are that flock to their shows.

bwboy 08-03-2023 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1286477)
Why do you think for those tours without Chris that they did not perform a few Buckingham/Nicks songs. When they were touring after SYW and not promoting something big, it would have been the perfect time. I remember thinking that it would have been the perfect time to do Frozen Love, Dont Let Me Down Again, and Crying In The Night.
My hunch it was for the same reason they dont do many deep cuts. They fear the audience will not know the songs. It shows how shallow and superficial the people are that flock to their shows.
I think that was probably why they both thought a separate Buckingham Nicks tour would have been more appropriate- because like you said, some of the audience would not have reacted well to the songs they didn’t know. It was really unfortunate a tour like that never happened- hardcore fans familiar with that material would have been in Heaven. Especially in a more intimate venue. I think many of us would have paid big money to hear them perform that album.

Which reminds me… something else from the interview that really caught my eye was Lindsey’s reaction to Stevie’s idea that some of the other original band join them on that tour, including Waddy. Lindsey’s reaction was perfectly fine if perhaps surprised, but I wonder how he really would have felt with a guitarist like Waddy also on stage? I know there’s always an extra guitarist with FM when they tour, but usually in the background. Waddy is not one to stay in the background, though. It would be similar to if one of the background singers got to stand between Stevie and Lindsey- no way Stevie would like or agree to that. Likewise, I think it would understandably be hard on Lindsey to share a stage with Waddy. Not because Waddy would outshine Lindsey (because he couldn’t) but just having another guitarist roaming around the stage would be uncomfortable.

BigAl84 08-03-2023 07:51 AM
I don’t think Lindsey necessarily had an issue with Waddy, it kinda sounded like he was just shocked…not only did they finally seem to agree to release the album, but she also wanted to tour with the original band!? With her being completely MIA on all projects with him outside of FM, it must of been an out of left field who are you!? moment.

BigAl84 08-03-2023 07:59 AM
I’ve always wondered has Rhino/Reprise ever tried to get them to release it!? Mock up the whole package, remaster the whole thing. Do the liner notes etc. Send it to their agents with a contract/angree and see what happens.

Even if they don’t have access to the tapes, they could mock up a package and dangle the carrot in front of them. I have a hard time believing nobody has tried that yet. They would be foolish not to. $$$ to be made.

BigAl84 08-03-2023 08:39 AM
I almost put this in a separate thread, but since we're all talking about this now...how did this fly under the radar? Apparently there was a Buckingham Nicks book proposed for the 33 1/3 book series about 5+ years ago that never came to fruition. The writer made a blog post about it:

https://carriecourogen.tumblr.com/po...44-years-later

sleepless child 08-03-2023 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1286481)
I almost put this in a separate thread, but since we're all talking about this now...how did this fly under the radar? Apparently there was a Buckingham Nicks book proposed for the 33 1/3 book series about 5+ years ago that never came to fruition. The writer made a blog post about it:

https://carriecourogen.tumblr.com/po...44-years-later
Wow! what a great article. She nails it for me. I was lucky enough to find a BN record in a Heck's store back in 1982. I couldn't believe it. I think I paid 5 or 10 dollars for it. Heck's was like a Wal-mart. LOL. It is my most beloved collectable. I loved that Lori was questioned about it also. Her answer is spot on.

jbrownsjr 08-03-2023 06:48 PM
This was a fantastic interview. I love how honest and direct it was.

bombaysaffires 08-04-2023 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by bwboy (Post 1286478)
I think that was probably why they both thought a separate Buckingham Nicks tour would have been more appropriate- because like you said, some of the audience would not have reacted well to the songs they didn’t know. It was really unfortunate a tour like that never happened- hardcore fans familiar with that material would have been in Heaven. Especially in a more intimate venue. I think many of us would have paid big money to hear them perform that album.

Which reminds me… something else from the interview that really caught my eye was Lindsey’s reaction to Stevie’s idea that some of the other original band join them on that tour, including Waddy. Lindsey’s reaction was perfectly fine if perhaps surprised, but I wonder how he really would have felt with a guitarist like Waddy also on stage? I know there’s always an extra guitarist with FM when they tour, but usually in the background. Waddy is not one to stay in the background, though. It would be similar to if one of the background singers got to stand between Stevie and Lindsey- no way Stevie would like or agree to that. Likewise, I think it would understandably be hard on Lindsey to share a stage with Waddy. Not because Waddy would outshine Lindsey (because he couldn’t) but just having another guitarist roaming around the stage would be uncomfortable.
I think in part he was also thinking of the cost-- Waddy ain't gonna donate his time, and he doesn't come cheap. Also, it diminishes the whole point of a BN tour, and why people would want to see it....

UnwindedDreams 08-04-2023 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bombaysaffires (Post 1286515)
I think in part he was also thinking of the cost-- Waddy ain't gonna donate his time, and he doesn't come cheap. Also, it diminishes the whole point of a BN tour, and why people would want to see it....
I remember these interviews like yesterday. Stevie, God love her, speaks conjecture, and she talked about getting BN together for a tour.

Lindsey, even though he might not make money on his solo tours, understood the business of touring when he start digesting Stevie's thoughts out loud. He was saying when would we rehearse? We couldn't do a BN tour in between FM tour legs because it wouldn't be enough touring to break even.

It was on The Ledge someone said Lindsey cut back some of the moving stage pieces on the 2013 Tour after a few shows to shave costs. They heard him say it in catering...maybe it was to John.

Nicks Fan 08-07-2023 01:47 PM
Listening to that made me even more glad I skipped the Fakewood Mac tour of 2018-2019.I still remember Mick saying this is a new band a new chapter. Sure Mick and where's the new music? You did one mostly hits tour and that's it.

They are one of the worst run bands out there. They have re released many of their most popular albums over and over but ignored things real fans are dying for like The Tusk Documentary on DVD, The complete 82 and 87 Concerts on DVD to name a few.

I question though how he can say Mick is a good businessman. If he's such a good businessman why does it seem every recent FM Tour was get out of bankruptcy tour for Mick.

Reading that Yahoo interview was hilarious. Stevie is such a hypocrite, Virtually anything she has said bad about someone else in the band, she herself is guilty of. She's became a nostalgia lounge act ignoring great songs from her back catalog in favor of stale songs she's way overplayed.

Lindsey is making a new album and she's doing her standard hits tour.

I'd like to say FM is over but Irving just might get the 4 back together for a final tour marked as a tribute to Christine.

jbrownsjr 08-07-2023 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Nicks Fan (Post 1286549)

I'd like to say FM is over but Irving just might get the 4 back together for a final tour marked as a tribute to Christine.
If Stevie brings the spirit catcher, I'm in! :xoxo:

HomerMcvie 08-08-2023 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1286550)
If Stevie brings the spirit catcher, I'm in! :xoxo:
I need the singing fish on the board. OR I'M OUT!

god she's stupid...

jbrownsjr 08-08-2023 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1286567)
I need the singing fish on the board. OR I'M OUT!

god she's stupid...
She can use her spirit catcher and then they can put Christine on screen and go into Don't Stop.

UnwindedDreams 08-08-2023 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1286569)
She can use her spirit catcher and then they can put Christine on screen and go into Don't Stop.
The next tour will be all pre-75 songs and Stevie will actually stay on stage for every pre-75 song as opposed to 2018.

jbrownsjr 08-08-2023 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1286571)
The next tour will be all pre-75 songs and Stevie will actually stay on stage for every pre-75 song as opposed to 2018.
Just her and a harp. :o

UnwindedDreams 08-08-2023 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1286574)
Just her and a harp. :o
But Stevie on a blues harp!

You loved the Ah Ah Ah Ah Ah Ahs on Black Magic Woman. I’m like “is she trying to arouse us?”

Macfan4life 08-08-2023 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1286569)
She can use her spirit catcher and then they can put Christine on screen and go into Don't Stop.
That can work only if the lyrics scroll on the big screen behind her. A big ball can bounce on top of each word so she knows when to come in.

jbrownsjr 08-08-2023 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Macfan4life (Post 1286578)
That can work only if the lyrics scroll on the big screen behind her. A big ball can bounce on top of each word so she knows when to come in.
After hearing Stand Back in Columbus, I think she needs exactly that. She was just belting words out at a crowd not paying attention. And perhaps work in some auto tune.

She needs to do some small theaters and polish things up.

mylittledemon 08-08-2023 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1286550)
If Stevie brings the spirit catcher, I'm in! :xoxo:
Make sure you put it on the mantelpiece :lol:

jbrownsjr 08-09-2023 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by mylittledemon (Post 1286580)
Make sure you put it on the mantelpiece :lol:
Let's just put that over here....Stevie... :laugh:

BigAl84 08-09-2023 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1286579)
After hearing Stand Back in Columbus, I think she needs exactly that. She was just belting words out at a crowd not paying attention. And perhaps work in some auto tune.

She needs to do some small theaters and polish things up.
It's so hard to witness, I really loved all the qualities of her voice from '97-'00. During those years I preferred her current voice at that time over her Tusk tour voice etc. She had that amazing lower register, but could also do this amazing reach for the higher notes.

Since about 2009 the elasticity in her voice has vanished more and more every year/tour. I think that Stand Back performance in Columbus is a new level of weirdness.

jbrownsjr 08-09-2023 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1286584)
It's so hard to witness, I really loved all the qualities of her voice from '97-'00. During those years I preferred her current voice at that time over her Tusk tour voice etc. She had that amazing lower register, but could also do this amazing reach for the higher notes.

Since about 2009 the elasticity in her voice has vanished more and more every year/tour. I think that Stand Back performance in Columbus is a new level of weirdness.
I felt that weirdness during Gypsy 2018 Los Angeles Forum. The sound was just awful to the point where people were looking at each other on the floor. It was kind of like Stand Back, Columbus.

sleepless child 08-09-2023 09:11 AM
I too really loved her voice since 1987. Even during the Kolonopin years she still had a great voice. I thought during the Enchanted tour in 1998 she was losing some of the high notes, but really, even during the 2005-20010 years her voice was still great. I loved her singing on Beauty and the Beast. I don't think she could do it now. I really hope after this tour she and her team really take a hard look at the performances and hopefully can see it's not worth it anymore. She has so many other things she could do. But I don't know if she knows how to be without the stage. Reminds me of Deborah Vance on HBO's Hacks.


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