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HomerMcvie 06-26-2023 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by jmn3 (Post 1285498)
And I don’t think she’d ever entertain bringing Mick into her solo band either. Maybe a one-off but not permanently and I doubt Mick would do it either.

Oh puhlease, Mick would jump at the chance. What else has he got?

I think he should slop together some "Ringo's All Star Band", or something like that. Otherwise, unless Stevie takes him in, how long until he files for his next bankruptcy?

BigAl84 06-26-2023 11:32 AM

Oh I'm having a flashback to the days when a large chunk of folks thought the biggest bright spot of kicking Lindsey out was that Stevie would finally make new music with the rest of the band. It was going to be a behind the mask fever dream. Us old timers calling BS on that were being too cranky and biased in our defense of Lindsey. :]:]:]

BigAl84 06-26-2023 11:37 AM

Can Stevie really do solo dates in arenas next year (without a co-bill)? That will be the third year in a row of the greatest hits tour and tickets are not cheap. It will be interesting to see what happens.

jbrownsjr 06-26-2023 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1285501)
Can Stevie really do solo dates in arenas next year (without a co-bill)? That will be the third year in a row of the greatest hits tour and tickets are not cheap. It will be interesting to see what happens.

Great point. She is not selling well. Lot of agency tickets sitting out there.

UnwindedDreams 06-26-2023 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1285500)
Oh I'm having a flashback to the days when a large chunk of folks thought the biggest bright spot of kicking Lindsey out was that Stevie would finally make new music with the rest of the band. It was going to be a behind the mask fever dream. Us old timers calling BS on that were being too cranky and biased in our defense of Lindsey. :]:]:]

I being a Stevie fan thought that would happen. I bought tickets to shows thinking I’d hear new music. Then by the time September rolled around I thought I’d at least get Stevie gems like Angel, Affairs of the Heart, Freedom, or Welcome To The Room… shucks, was I wrong.

I am sure Neil and Mike would have jumped at doing a new FM album in 2019 or 2020 but Stevie took the offers to do corp gigs and festival dates to play a Gold Dust Tour setlist

David 06-26-2023 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1285503)
Great point. She is not selling well. Lot of agency tickets sitting out there.

Seriously? Did you see that video from Chicago the other night? The whole place looks packed! She has gotta be one of the biggest draws on the circuit today, maybe second tier to acts like Harry Styles and Taylor Swift (who play to millions every year).

jmn3 06-26-2023 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1285505)
Seriously? Did you see that video from Chicago the other night? The whole place looks packed! She has gotta be one of the biggest draws on the circuit today, maybe second tier to acts like Harry Styles and Taylor Swift (who play to millions every year).

Oh come on David I don’t think she’s even close to that. Swift just sold 150k in two nights in Pittsburgh. Stevie couldn’t sell out the arena without a solid co-headliner.

jmn3 06-26-2023 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1285499)
Oh puhlease, Mick would jump at the chance. What else has he got?

I think he should slop together some "Ringo's All Star Band", or something like that. Otherwise, unless Stevie takes him in, how long until he files for his next bankruptcy?

I think the biggest thing would be she would not allow it. He would take away from her to a degree. She can’t have anyone with a known name on stage with her in a solo show. And nobody tell me about Waddy’s pedigree because it isn’t the same at all.

jbrownsjr 06-26-2023 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jmn3 (Post 1285507)
Oh come on David I don’t think she’s even close to that. Swift just sold 150k in two nights in Pittsburgh. Stevie couldn’t sell out the arena without a solid co-headliner.

Chicago did sell well. But, some of the other shows not so much. When I was in Vegas the same weekend as $he, they were giving tickets away.

She's scheduled for LA here early December and there's mucho seats. Swift or Mac would be sold out. The Billy Joel shows are selling.

jmn3 06-26-2023 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1285509)
Chicago did sell well. But, some of the other shows not so much. When I was in Vegas the same weekend as $he, they were giving tickets away.

She's scheduled for LA here early December and there's mucho seats. Swift or Mac would be sold out. The Billy Joel shows are selling.

Her audience is aging and she’s not exactly getting up on stage and putting on anything THAT interesting anymore. Fleetwood Mac (with any of the Rumours songwriters involved) has always and will forever sell more seats than any of them solo, including the queen herself. Put her, Mick, Mike, and Sheryl on stage as some half assed version of Fleetwood Mac and it will easily outsell her solo shows.

The “new” audience she is gaining through all the TikTok Silver Springs and Harry Styles influenced love is going to struggle to justify those prices. And in that group she’s also competing with the likes of Swift. Sorry, most younger girls are attending a Swiftie event before Stevie Nicks.

If she solidly embraced social media and released even a halfway decent new single with a cool video that engaged people who aren’t in the typical boomer/genx concert circuit, she could do a lot better. Not to mention her live show is generally blah these days. The songs are tired and she looks tired.

I’m guessing she’s making good coin and really just doesn’t care to do anything different or new. And she really hasn’t for a long time.

aleuzzi 06-26-2023 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1285509)
Chicago did sell well. But, some of the other shows not so much. When I was in Vegas the same weekend as $he, they were giving tickets away.

She's scheduled for LA here early December and there's mucho seats. Swift or Mac would be sold out. The Billy Joel shows are selling.

She’s not a huge concert seller any more, without some market draw from a paired act. But she’s still hella viable.

When I was a kid, I loved her and listened to her obsessively. Everyone I knew made fun of me for it. Now that I’m tired of her music and more than a little tired of her behavior, I see countless people singing her praises. She’s rock royalty…now…when I’m too bored to listen…

HomerMcvie 06-26-2023 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jmn3 (Post 1285507)
Oh come on David I don’t think she’s even close to that. Swift just sold 150k in two nights in Pittsburgh. Stevie couldn’t sell out the arena without a solid co-headliner.

Taylor sold 212k in three nights at Nissan Stadium here, about 6 weeks ago. She set the all time record(just for the record, I don't like her- just stating facts).

HomerMcvie 06-26-2023 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jmn3 (Post 1285508)
I think the biggest thing would be she would not allow it. He would take away from her to a degree. She can’t have anyone with a known name on stage with her in a solo show. And nobody tell me about Waddy’s pedigree because it isn’t the same at all.

Well, she's not selling great. Old Dick might sell an extra 50 tickets?

jmn3 06-26-2023 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1285515)
Taylor sold 212k in three nights here at Nissan Stadium here, about 6 weeks ago. She sat the all time record(just for the record, I don't like her- just stating facts).

Same. Her music does nothing for me and her voice lacks any passion. That said, same in Pittsburgh. Her first show broke the stadium attendance record. The next night she made a new record. Her selling power is unmatched today.

jmn3 06-26-2023 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1285516)
Well, she's not selling great. Old Dick might sell an extra 50 tickets?

Karen would have to do the math on it. Is ole Dick going to take a bigger cut than whomever she has drumming for her lately and if so will those extra 50 seats sold offset the revenue? Steph ain’t giving up any of her money to Mick.

bombaysaffires 06-26-2023 08:19 PM

I think she just loves the lifestyle of being on the road. She's never been good at being home for long periods, despite her decades of protestations that she just wants to live on a cliff by the sea and write and watch the sunset. She'd last maybe a week. Ok, at 75 maybe two weeks.

Think about it-- what really does she have going on at home? She's not writing any more or recording, she doesn't have a family of her own. She doesn't seem to have any actual hobbies..... She's got lots of friends and god daughters, but let's face it, she's not realllllly super interested in giving anyone else much of her attention. Didn't she describe Christmas with her whole family (aunts, cousins, etc included) as her ready to ditch them all by the end of the day??

When she's touring, she's the focus of EVERYONE'S attention. People are away from home, so they aren't doing family stuff, or working in their gardens, or whatever normal stuff her team would be doing. Instead, they are out on the road, stuck in hotels, and focused on making sure she's good to go for the next show. She LOVES that. She loves the power of demanding the presidential suite, of private jets, and she loves the changing scenery of being in a different city every few nights. She's easily bored. She hated being home all during COVID. Staying in one place very long is gypsy death.

SteveMacD 06-27-2023 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1285516)
Well, she's not selling great. Old Dick might sell an extra 50 tickets?

With Christine gone and John likely retired, Mick playing with either Stevie or Lindsey carries a bit more weight. It becomes the closest thing to Fleetwood Mac we’re likely to get. Kind of like when Ringo sits in with McCartney.

Fleetwood Mac became way for Stevie to stay on the road without over saturating her brand. She doesn’t have that anymore. Adding Mick to her band and swapping in a few Fleetwood Mac songs (Black Magic Woman, Oh Well, Manalishi, Don’t Stop) would be an easy way for her to stay on the road and give people a reason to come to the show. That said, how many more years of touring does she have?

HomerMcvie 06-27-2023 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by jmn3 (Post 1285518)
Karen would have to do the math on it. Is ole Dick going to take a bigger cut than whomever she has drumming for her lately and if so will those extra 50 seats sold offset the revenue? Steph ain’t giving up any of her money to Mick.

Old Dick is just going to have to accept that 1k/show is better than nothing, and his options are FEW.

He'll still get to be "somewhat" in the spotlight(which the old drama queen needs), and gets to leach onto the fading career that is Stevie's.

HomerMcvie 06-27-2023 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1285520)
With Christine gone and John likely retired, Mick playing with either Stevie or Lindsey carries a bit more weight. It becomes the closest thing to Fleetwood Mac we’re likely to get. Kind of like when Ringo sits in with McCartney.

Fleetwood Mac became way for Stevie to stay on the road without over saturating her brand. She doesn’t have that anymore. Adding Mick to her band and swapping in a few Fleetwood Mac songs (Black Magic Woman, Oh Well, Manalishi, Don’t Stop) would be an easy way for her to stay on the road and give people a reason to come to the show. That said, how many more years of touring does she have?

REAL FM fans don't give af about her renditions of FM classics. I can sing them better than she.

jbrownsjr 06-27-2023 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1285522)
REAL FM fans don't give af about her renditions of FM classics. I can sing them better than she.

Honestly, can you imagine going to see her solo band do these versions of FM songs.

I find them boring when the Rumours 5 does them. Especially, Dreams.

BigAl84 06-27-2023 08:27 AM

Stevie has an entire catalog of material she hasn't touched on stage in 30 years she could draw from. She doesn't need to do Peter Green era covers. Plus, the tik tok fans don't even know who he is.

jbrownsjr 06-27-2023 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1285524)
Stevie has an entire catalog of material she hasn't touched on stage in 30 years she could draw from. She doesn't need to do Peter Green era covers. Plus, the tik tok fans don't even know who he is.

There are folks on here that don't know who he is. :laugh:

HomerMcvie 06-27-2023 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1285527)
There are folks on here that don't know who he is. :laugh:

Well, Stevie is the lead singer of FM.







:mad::mad::mad:

jbrownsjr 06-27-2023 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1285528)
Well, Stevie is the lead singer of FM.







:mad::mad::mad:

I remember when the shippers would come on here and say Christine caused Lindsey and Stevie to hate each other. Especially, when Christine didn't matter anyway.

UnwindedDreams 06-27-2023 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by David (Post 1285505)
Seriously? Did you see that video from Chicago the other night? The whole place looks packed! She has gotta be one of the biggest draws on the circuit today, maybe second tier to acts like Harry Styles and Taylor Swift (who play to millions every year).

After the 2019 Tour, my thinking was the name Stevie Nicks was bigger than FM, but I realized, Stevie’s not playing two nights in these arenas. On With The Show Tour had 3 nights at MSG, 3 in Chicago, 5 or 6 at the Forum, 2 in Texas towns. The only double nights Stevie does are at places like Ravinia which hold maybe 4,000.

SteveMacD 06-27-2023 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1285523)
Honestly, can you imagine going to see her solo band do these versions of FM songs.

I could see Waddy tearing up the Peter Green stuff.

SteveMacD 06-27-2023 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BigAl84 (Post 1285524)
Stevie has an entire catalog of material she hasn't touched on stage in 30 years she could draw from.

Yeah, but most of those songs suck.

jbrownsjr 06-27-2023 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1285533)
I could see Waddy tearing up the Peter Green stuff.

True, but her voice on anything PG most likely will have me hang myself right there in the audience. :lol:

HomerMcvie 06-27-2023 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1285535)
True, but her voice on anything PG most likely will have me hang myself right there in the audience. :lol:

Can you IMAGINE a show with no backup singers or track vocals?

That'd be some Linda McCartney sh*t right there!

jbrownsjr 06-27-2023 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1285536)
Can you IMAGINE a show with no backup singers or track vocals?

That'd be some Linda McCartney sh*t right there!

Imagine if this was Billy/Stevie or Swift, or even FMac.

HomerMcvie 06-27-2023 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1285537)
Imagine if this was Billy/Stevie or Swift, or even FMac.

How can I miss you if you won't go away? :lol:

jbrownsjr 06-27-2023 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HomerMcvie (Post 1285538)
How can I miss you if you won't go away? :lol:

You can still hear me thru the door singing 'come away, come away come away!!!' I still cry from the Nightbird.

SteveMacD 06-27-2023 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1285537)
Imagine if this was Billy/Stevie or Swift, or even FMac.

I almost went to her Louisville show tonight but I just couldn’t.

jbrownsjr 06-27-2023 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1285540)
I almost went to her Louisville show tonight but I just couldn’t.

It was Bonnie Rait or Stevie Nicks in Vegas and guess which show I went to!:lol:

SteveMacD 06-27-2023 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1285541)
It was Bonnie Rait or Stevie Nicks in Vegas and guess which show I went to!:lol:

Not really a choice, there.

jbrownsjr 06-27-2023 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1285542)
Not really a choice, there.

Her show featured such a wonderful band. So tight and harmonious. Reminded me of Christine's band back in 1984.

SteveMacD 06-27-2023 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1285543)
Her show featured such a wonderful band. So tight and harmonious. Reminded me of Christine's band back in 1984.

The first time I saw her, Rick Vito was in her band. I hadn’t known prior to the show, so it was a nice little surprise.

UnwindedDreams 06-27-2023 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1285540)
I almost went to her Louisville show tonight but I just couldn’t.

You also would’ve spent probably at least $350. Her tickets are amazingly pricey this tour.

But you missed out on a fine cover of For What It’s Worth and the powerful I Sing For The Things Money Can’t Buy

Maybe Sara will return tonight too

jbrownsjr 06-27-2023 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveMacD (Post 1285544)
The first time I saw her, Rick Vito was in her band. I hadn’t known prior to the show, so it was a nice little surprise.

Which year was this? And that's an amazing surprise. I love Rick Vito.

SteveMacD 06-27-2023 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by UnwindedDreams (Post 1285545)
You also would’ve spent probably at least $350. Her tickets are amazingly pricey this tour.

But you missed out on a fine cover of For What It’s Worth and the powerful I Sing For The Things Money Can’t Buy

Maybe Sara will return tonight too

I could've gotten $55 nosebleeds, before fees, and I have a $75 Ticketmaster gift card, but I wasn't feeling a five hour round trip today. Anyway, I heard FWIW when I was at the pub down the street Monday night. Yikes! It's an iconic song from the '60s that everyone knows and her version wasn't good. It reaffirmed my theory about why she didn't make an album with Lindsey and Christine (she wouldn't have compared favorably, hurting her image) and my conclusion that it was absolutely for the best.


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