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stevierocks87 04-05-2016 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KenB (Post 1180492)
I wonder if the reason for the multiple versions of Lindey's tracks on the deluxe Sets is that maybe Lindsey is more into giving permission to include that stuff than Chrustine or Stevie are? For Stevie, especially, I could see her not wanting to distribute her "practice" versions any more than they already are out there. A part of trying to control her image.

This makes sense, but we did get that totally new take of Angel. You KNOW there is a Sara and Sisters out there other than the ones already released on the first "deluxe" version. That's my biggest pet peeve with the box- along with that KILLER Chain having Stevie's vocals turned down :mad:

PenguinHead 04-05-2016 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SpyNote (Post 1180438)
Still have my 8-track tape of Mirage :thumbsup:

I have my original cassette tape of Mirage, which features a mix of Straight Back that is notably different from the album track, with the vocal phrase "hours and hours of waiting for you - so strong and so fleeting" being much more prominent.

jbrownsjr 04-05-2016 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by PenguinHead (Post 1180496)
I have my original cassette tape of Mirage, which features a mix of Straight Back that is notably different from the album track, with the vocal phrase "hours and hours of waiting for you - so strong and so fleeting" being much more prominent.

I honestly remember that!! that version was so cool

HomerMcvie 04-05-2016 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PenguinHead (Post 1180496)
I have my original cassette tape of Mirage, which features a mix of Straight Back that is notably different from the album track, with the vocal phrase "hours and hours of waiting for you - so strong and so fleeting" being much more prominent.

I've got it, too. I always wondered why they remixed it for later versions.

Wdm6789 04-05-2016 05:41 PM

I'm assuming the deluxe Tusk had good sales or they probably wouldn't be doing Mirage.

When do you guys think it will be released?

jbrownsjr 04-05-2016 10:58 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...r/cassatte.jpg

vivfox 04-06-2016 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by lilyfee (Post 1180489)
The highlight of the Tusk boxset was without question Yesterday's Tears... Would love some exciting truly new material like that.

Agree 100%

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Originally Posted by SeanJT (Post 1180493)
'Yesterday's Tears'?

Yesterday's Tears was the original working title for Brown Eyes.

jbrownsjr 04-06-2016 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by vivfox (Post 1180551)
Agree 100%


Yesterday's Tears was the original working title for Brown Eyes.

The Peter Green guitar on Christine's Brown Eyes was amazing for so many reason.

It was an old chemistry as she was entering the band and he was leaving.
She had grown so much since 1969-1970.
Peter's guitar complimented her arrangement.
It was truly a big moment for me when I listened to it.

FuzzyPlum 04-06-2016 11:19 AM

From StacyB- twitter;

We discovered some AMAZING alternate versions/demos of a particular Fleetwood Mac album today! You won't know which one till tomorrow though

and...

AMAZING!! Seriously!Richard and I were mind blown by how good these songs are!! I'm SO excited to share them with you all


I'm guessing she's referring to Mirage material, though I'm not sure she'd be able to put anything on The Penguins Tale website or social media if there's any chance they are going to be used on the new Mirage boxset. Hmm, does open up a few questions regarding ownership.

jbrownsjr 04-06-2016 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1180553)
From StacyB- twitter;

We discovered some AMAZING alternate versions/demos of a particular Fleetwood Mac album today! You won't know which one till tomorrow though

and...

AMAZING!! Seriously!Richard and I were mind blown by how good these songs are!! I'm SO excited to share them with you all


I'm guessing she's referring to Mirage material, though I'm not sure she'd be able to put anything on The Penguins Tale website or social media if there's any chance they are going to be used on the new Mirage boxset. Hmm, does open up a few questions regarding ownership.

Wow!! Thanks for sharing!

SorcererJP 04-06-2016 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by DauphineMarie (Post 1180263)
Wow.. I had largely assumed this was an April Fool's prank, but I guess I was fooled!

I had the same response on twitter. But a Mirage-box like the Rumors&Tusk one would be great.

Like ' Empire State' is full of little gems which would be great to hear be dusted off ...

Murrow 04-06-2016 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1180553)
From StacyB- twitter;

We discovered some AMAZING alternate versions/demos of a particular Fleetwood Mac album today! You won't know which one till tomorrow though

and...

AMAZING!! Seriously!Richard and I were mind blown by how good these songs are!! I'm SO excited to share them with you all


I'm guessing she's referring to Mirage material, though I'm not sure she'd be able to put anything on The Penguins Tale website or social media if there's any chance they are going to be used on the new Mirage boxset. Hmm, does open up a few questions regarding ownership.

Who is StacyB? It brings up loads of results on Twitter.

Murrow 04-06-2016 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by FuzzyPlum (Post 1180553)
From StacyB- twitter;

We discovered some AMAZING alternate versions/demos of a particular Fleetwood Mac album today! You won't know which one till tomorrow though

and...

AMAZING!! Seriously!Richard and I were mind blown by how good these songs are!! I'm SO excited to share them with you all


I'm guessing she's referring to Mirage material, though I'm not sure she'd be able to put anything on The Penguins Tale website or social media if there's any chance they are going to be used on the new Mirage boxset. Hmm, does open up a few questions regarding ownership.

Have found and followed her. Is she Ken's wife, daughter or something else? She also mentions that neither Lindsey nor Richard Dashut wanted to be involved in the Mirage remaster project.

SisterNightroad 04-06-2016 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Murrow (Post 1180561)
Have found and followed her. Is she Ken's wife, daughter or something else? She also mentions that neither Lindsey nor Richard Dashut wanted to be involved in the Mirage remaster project.

Stacy is Richard Dashut's friend and assistant.

FuzzyPlum 04-06-2016 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Murrow (Post 1180560)
Who is StacyB? It brings up loads of results on Twitter.

As SisterN said, she's Richard's assistant- she manages his Tumblr account and helps him sort through his hoard of old Fleetwood Mac-related photos and recordings;

http://thepenguinstale.tumblr.com/

Murrow 04-06-2016 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SisterNightroad (Post 1180563)
Stacy is Richard Dashut's friend and assistant.

Thanks for that. Am sure following her will keep us all abreast of developments.

Personally I foresee the following bonus material:

PREVIOUSLY RELEASED

Cool Water
Goodbye Angel
Teen Beat
Gypsy (full version)
Love in Store (alternate mix)

STEVIE DEMOS

Smile At You
The Dealer
If You Were My Love

To say nothing of a multitude of early takes and perhaps even a live disc with the full unedited Mirage video concert.

DauphineMarie 04-06-2016 05:33 PM

Perhaps a better demo of Enchanted/Eyes of the World?

Wdm6789 04-06-2016 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Murrow (Post 1180561)
Have found and followed her. Is she Ken's wife, daughter or something else? She also mentions that neither Lindsey nor Richard Dashut wanted to be involved in the Mirage remaster project.

I wish Lindsey was working on the Deluxe Mirage.

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Originally Posted by Murrow (Post 1180585)
To say nothing of a multitude of early takes and perhaps even a live disc with the full unedited Mirage video concert.

That is some very highly coveted footage.

dawn_amanda 04-07-2016 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by DauphineMarie (Post 1180587)
Perhaps a better demo of Enchanted/Eyes of the World?

I love that!!! If we get that and If You Were My Love without the fade out and in I will be so so happy.

jessej 04-07-2016 01:22 AM

Ive become obsessed with book of love... Hoping an alternate or demo ;) really looking forward to this project !

Andyleo 04-07-2016 01:47 AM

Of the 6 songs I have posted from The Mirage Tour on my Youtube channel, four have copyrighted claims all from various claimants. Makes me wonder if a reissue of that concert footage will happen. I don't pretend to know much about those copyright claims, but this is what they are:
EYES OF THE WORLD- Kobalt Music Publishing, AMRA, SUISA CS.
RHIANNON- SOKOJ_CS, CASH, OSA_CS, ACUM_CS, BUMA CS, Kobalt Music Publishing, AMRA, UMPI.
GO YOUR OWN WAY- Reprise.
SISTERS OF THE MOON- Kobalt Music Publishing, AMRA, SUISA CS.

TUSK & SONGBIRD as yet have no claims.

jbrownsjr 04-07-2016 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by jessej (Post 1180611)
Ive become obsessed with book of love... Hoping an alternate or demo ;) really looking forward to this project !

I'm one of the few people that love Lindsey's work on Mirage. Elle will probably banish me for a year for liking it. But, I like what I like dammit.

Book Of Love is amazing.

Wdm6789 04-07-2016 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1180621)
I'm one of the few people that love Lindsey's work on Mirage. Elle will probably banish me for a year for liking it. But, I like what I like dammit.

Book Of Love is amazing.


I like Lindsey's work on Mirage, but his songs are too light. He needed to put a little more of his Tusk edge into Mirage. Im glad he allowed a little bit of Christine's and Stevie's vocals in his Mirage songs, unlike Tusk where all of his songs are just him. I love Eyes of The Word and Book of Love and Empire State, but Can't Go Back could have been darker and more Lindsey-esque. Oh Diane, I have no idea how that song made it on the album, Lindsey just had to have the most songs I guess. I also would have liked to see another music video from Mirage, one of Lindsey's songs. I always thought Empire State would have been cool with the band wandering around Manhattan and up on roof tops and stuff.

Kubrick2788 04-07-2016 12:52 PM

Well this is certainly something I would pick up. I think Mirage is too overlooked especially once Tusk became as popular as it is anymore. As someone who isn't a huge Tango fan, this is the last bit of magic for me. Hoping there's a Hold Me demo lurking somewhere. It had more funk before Lindsey got his hands on it. And the less takes of a single Lindsey song from this one the better. While I enjoy most of his songs on here (Even Oh Diane has some charm) I'm almost positive it would be a disc of Empire State takes.

bombaysaffires 04-07-2016 10:12 PM

I always felt Lindsey was a little put off by Mirage-- there was this band discussion about how Tusk wasn't a big success (gag) and they all wanted to go back to more familiar territory. (There's a great interview I think from Rolling Stone with Lindsey, Chris and MIck and Chris and Mick are talking about making albums that will sell a lot and all that and Lindsey slaps his chest and says "It's also about what's in here!" meaning artistic vision, passion, and all regardless of the sales figures). He got his leashed pulled a bit by the band on Mirage to go back to more mainstream popular stuff. I always wondered if his music on Mirage was a bit of a middle finger to the band like, Oh, you want light pop music? Here you go. (for his songs.) He has said more than once he felt that Mirage, and the direction the band wanted to go with it, was a step backwards creatively.

SisterNightroad 04-08-2016 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Andyleo (Post 1180612)
Of the 6 songs I have posted from The Mirage Tour on my Youtube channel, four have copyrighted claims all from various claimants. Makes me wonder if a reissue of that concert footage will happen. I don't pretend to know much about those copyright claims, but this is what they are:
EYES OF THE WORLD- Kobalt Music Publishing, AMRA, SUISA CS.
RHIANNON- SOKOJ_CS, CASH, OSA_CS, ACUM_CS, BUMA CS, Kobalt Music Publishing, AMRA, UMPI.
GO YOUR OWN WAY- Reprise.
SISTERS OF THE MOON- Kobalt Music Publishing, AMRA, SUISA CS.

TUSK & SONGBIRD as yet have no claims.

Thanks, very interesting. In fact the video for Tusk & Songbird was the only one that wasn't taken down by youtube.

aleuzzi 04-08-2016 03:43 PM

Lindsey's MIRAGE songs may be lighter, more subdued and less adventurous than either his TUSK or TITN material, but the songs are generally warmer, more tuneful and more band-friendly than his work on the other two albums. In the abstract, I often consider his TITN contributions to be quite strong, but when I pit them against the MIRAGE material, the latter songs seem more convincing and true. To an extent, the TITN songs seem calculated, as if her were consciously striving for a tougher, sexier effect. But no matter how good the tunes assume they are, they don't possess genuine substance. Some of this might be because they sound like carefully-engineered solo performances; but the songs themselves are also lacking an additional spark found in tunes like "Eyes of the World," "Book of Love," and "Can't Go Back." Even "Empire State," which I think is silly, emits a real spark.

The only TITN songs that boast a band identity are "Little Lies," "Everywhere," "Seven Wonders," and "Isn't it Midnight." And regarding TUSK--the band could only do that kind of project once without becoming too splintered. As many have already noted, MIRAGE may be a low-key album, but it's also the last FM record where the ensemble works together to forge a sound.

jbrownsjr 04-08-2016 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by aleuzzi (Post 1180673)
Lindsey's MIRAGE songs may be lighter, more subdued and less adventurous than either his TUSK or TITN material, but the songs are generally warmer, more tuneful and more band-friendly than his work on the other two albums. In the abstract, I often consider his TITN contributions to be quite strong, but when I pit them against the MIRAGE material, the latter songs seem more convincing and true. To an extent, the TITN songs seem calculated, as if her were consciously striving for a tougher, sexier effect. But no matter how good the tunes assume they are, they don't possess genuine substance. Some of this might be because they sound like carefully-engineered solo performances; but the songs themselves are also lacking an additional spark found in tunes like "Eyes of the World," "Book of Love," and "Can't Go Back." Even "Empire State," which I think is silly, emits a real spark.

The only TITN songs that boast a band identity are "Little Lies," "Everywhere," "Seven Wonders," and "Isn't it Midnight." And regarding TUSK--the band could only do that kind of project once without becoming too splintered. As many have already noted, MIRAGE may be a low-key album, but it's also the last FM record where the ensemble works together to forge a sound.

I do love the Christine/Lindsey dynamic on the two albums... Their muse with each other seem to grow.

Kubrick2788 04-08-2016 06:19 PM

Eyes
 
Does anyone know if there are demos that get a bit heavier than the version of Eyes that ended up on the album? I really enjoy the live versions and just wish they had cut loose like that with the album version.

Macfan4life 04-08-2016 06:23 PM

I LOVE to see how much love Mirage is getting on this board lately. When I first joined this board Mirage was the step child that few mentioned. I remember a poll here on Favorite Mac album covers did not even give Mirage as a choice to vote for.

Mirage has some of the best harmonies of ANY Mac album. Many of the songs build and build. Gypsy has one of the best bridges ever. I even love the drumming. Its so classic Mick on every song.

shackin'up 04-08-2016 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1180621)
I'm one of the few people that love Lindsey's work on Mirage. Elle will probably banish me for a year for liking it. But, I like what I like dammit.

Book Of Love is amazing.

I totally agree. I love Mirage. All contributions. Certainly Lindsey's. Apart from Oh Diane.

BLY 04-08-2016 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up (Post 1180678)
I totally agree. I love Mirage. All contributions. Certainly Lindsey's. Apart from Oh Diane.




I agree also but with Oh Diane. I can't wait for this release.

jbrownsjr 04-08-2016 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Kubrick2788 (Post 1180676)
Does anyone know if there are demos that get a bit heavier than the version of Eyes that ended up on the album? I really enjoy the live versions and just wish they had cut loose like that with the album version.

I loved that, too. Eyes was so ccool..

Wdm6789 04-08-2016 07:52 PM

Hold Me and Gypsy. That is all.

jbrownsjr 04-08-2016 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by shackin'up (Post 1180678)
I totally agree. I love Mirage. All contributions. Certainly Lindsey's. Apart from Oh Diane.

I loved on that album, as Love in Store was ending.

....... he got away......... can't fight it.........

then silence... little record hiss.. .. and.....

... do do do do do... Standing in the shadows.. man I used to be... wanna go back.. can't go baccccccccccccck can't go back...


such a sweet melody and beautiful keyboards and backing vocals...

......... a tear in a cloud's eye.. wanna go back.. can't go back.. can't go back...


It gave me chills it was so good on record album.
Why that song was cut without a bridge is beyond me.. Lindsey undersells his work on this.

jbrownsjr 04-08-2016 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Wdm6789 (Post 1180682)
Hold Me and Gypsy. That is all.

It's called, That's Allright.. not That is all. :shrug:

paleshadow 04-08-2016 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1180683)
I loved on that album, as Love in Store was ending.

....... he got away......... can't fight it.........

then silence... little record hiss.. .. and.....

... do do do do do... Standing in the shadows.. man I used to be... wanna go back.. can't go baccccccccccccck can't go back...


such a sweet melody and beautiful keyboards and backing vocals...

......... a tear in a cloud's eye.. wanna go back.. can't go back.. can't go back...


It gave me chills it was so good on record album.
Why that song was cut without a bridge is beyond me.. Lindsey undersells his work on this.

I don't know but I thought it was "You got it made" not "he got away"? Plus isn't it "A tear in a Clown's eye"? :shrug:

Wdm6789 04-08-2016 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1180684)
It's called, That's Allright.. not That is all. :shrug:

Ahh yes. How could I forget.

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1180683)
I loved on that album, as Love in Store was ending.

....... he got away......... can't fight it.........

then silence... little record hiss.. .. and.....

... do do do do do... Standing in the shadows.. man I used to be... wanna go back.. can't go baccccccccccccck can't go back...


such a sweet melody and beautiful keyboards and backing vocals...

......... a tear in a cloud's eye.. wanna go back.. can't go back.. can't go back...


It gave me chills it was so good on record album.
Why that song was cut without a bridge is beyond me.. Lindsey undersells his work on this.

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Originally Posted by paleshadow (Post 1180695)
I don't know but I thought it was "You got it made" not "he got away"? Plus isn't it "A tear in a Clown's eye"? :shrug:

I always thought it was "you got a way.... of getting in my head"

Macfanforever 04-08-2016 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jbrownsjr (Post 1180684)
It's called, That's Allright.. not That is all. :shrug:

I love that tune.

jbrownsjr 04-08-2016 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Macfanforever (Post 1180718)
I love that tune.

I do, too. She's telling a story a little more straightforward than usual.

"Meet me down by the railway station, I've been a waiting, I'm through waiting, for you."

I immediately know what's going and and want to know what happened. I thought it was a nice compliment to Gypsy which reminisces of her NOCAL days. Now she's moving on with her career and love life. I'm not a country fan, but the music is so fitting to the lyrics. The harmonies of CM and LB are sublime as well.


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