Indeed, the new material is what you offer to the interested labels or to drum up interest. We saw that with Destiny Rules.

Michele

Oh without a doubt Stevie and Liz have gag orders...most of these articles and interviews are so redundant, why even bother having a writer or columnist interview her! Liz could interview Stevie herself and make up a fake writer and just sell it to magazines. The Rolling Stone interview has its funny moments but it's pages upon pages of junk fluff. Rolling Stone goes that direction in the first place and then when you combine it with Stevie's legacy assuring agenda...there isn't much left of interest.

As much of a stir it caused, the Playboy interview Mick did a few years back may seem like the last really honest piece of journalism associated with this band. Was it part of a larger ploy to get them on the road? yeah probably, but at least Mick had some balls...and his frustration with Stevie I totally understand now, after these recent events.

This band dodges a major bullet with John's cancer and then the crazy fortunate return of Christine and Stevie still can't decide if she wants to be part of the band in the fullest sense - totally baffles me.

Me and my wife are attending Montreal next week.
Cost me $500 for tix, $500 for hotel, $1000 for air.
The weather better be good, I better get laid, and I hope I win at the casino.
Please FM....let rock rule.

But I sense part of her anger is that she feels written out. Does she have a new song left in her? I'm beginning to wonder.

If Stevie is dumb enough to screw up the best thing that's happened to this band since 1997 - she deserves to be the butt of a joke. :lol::lol::lol:

I agree.It supposed to be bad money times now.I like to know where the money comes from.I wonder where they get those money trees.LOL.....

FM should talk to Garth Brooks and other artists that play for penny's.

I hope you guys have a great time at the show and win the jackpot there.

Probably about $2000 bucks for me when I hit 5 shows.On this tour I'm down to 1 show per year so far.

What she said.

The lady told me at Staples they had a whole row to themselves at the last 2013 tour. Versus selling out 4 shows at the LA Forum. But somehow it's only Stevie that draws........ :lol::lol:

let's spin it this way!! .. no wait.. let's spin it that way!!!... OY!

To Stevie

Somebody's got to see this thru!
All the world is a laughin at you!
Somebody got to sacrifice!
IF THIS WHOLE THING IS GONNA TURN OUT RIGHT!

You either run or you hide,
Now you slip now you slide,
Now you will, now you won't
You either do or you don't!!!!!

LOL. I hope your wife knows of your intentions.

Michele

But she's not the only dumb one. In fact, she seems to be the smartest.

I'm just thinking of that 1994 interview where Stevie said when she went on her solo tours,

She's been dangling catnip for decades now. The others should put an end to this cycle. Their album is not going to sell anyway, Stevie or no Stevie. So, if they're waiting because they think they are going to go platinum and get a Grammy if Stevie is on board, they're so stupid I don't even know why I'm wasting my time.

Michele

Just say yes or no Stevie. It's ridiculous all ready. There is def. a ban on questions about the album.

I'll still bet you that it sells far better than SYW. At least a million.

Nope.She's out promoting 24 Karat and making plans for a follow up to it.The last thing on her mind is recording with The Mac IMO.I have thought from the beginning that Stevie,although I feel she really does love Chris,resents her a little b/c this tour is all about Chris and the spotlight is shining a little dimmer on her,and that is difficult for a diva to take.And I bet you that Bucky's beautiful repoire with Chris this tour is not sitting well with her either.

I love Stevie to bits, and I love her work....But I do agree here, I don't think Stevie has a new, original song left.
Maybe this is the problem, Lindsey and Christine have new stuff and she has old Demos.......(tho her old demos could be better than their new stuff)

Well, then, she needs to do something about it. Become part of it. Sneezing on Lindsey and doing everything in her power to piss him off is clearly making her all the more endearing to him. "I feel left out of the sandbox. I bet they'd all like me if I acted even bitchier and kicked Lindsey in the balls."

Stevie and Lindsey have always had a love/hate relationship. Any tension that currently exists between them is just par for course; when has it ever not been that way? But, being that is the endgame for the band, and likely her last association with Lindsey, it's very disheartening she seems to be playing this power card.

It's credible to assume that Lindsey and Christine could pull off the final Fleetwood Mac album sans Stevie. Yet in terms of their legacy, Stevie plays a significant role in it. Because of this ridiculously massive tour the band has undertaken, millions of people have become reacquainted with the most universal configuration of Fleetwood Mac. For them to reappear, absent of one of their most signature figures, it would be a huge, confounding let down.

Now that Stevie realizes she isn't immortal, she seems to have a fire in her to work more expediently to accomplish more. She doesn't have the luxury of time anymore. It's unfeasible to allow another decade to go by before producing another album/project. The efficient process Dave took to produce 24 Karat Gold, showed her that it's possible to do more in less time.

It seems, perhaps Stevie is reluctant to commit to the Fleetwood Mac album; mostly concerned about the expected lengthy time of involvement. But since most of the album is already done, for her to contribute three or four songs, and sing harmonies is not unreasonable to ask for. You'd expect she would jump at this, as a final gesture, to record with Christine, and show gratitude to the band that made her rich and famous.

She expresses such sentiment for the band, but where is the sentimental lady in her?

You summed it up for me here. I would have thought John's cancer and Christine's return would have really pulled everything together. It is very disappointing as a Stevie fan to see her so reluctant to do this album. I'm at a point where I can take her or leave her being apart of the album. I would absolutely love for her to be apart of it, but I'm alright with just hearing Lindsey and Christine's songs. I loved their collaboration on Tango.

I wouldn't say she resents Christine for attention. However, I have to admit that Stevie didn't seem as excited about Christine's return as I thought she would be. I remember a few people mentioning it during the time as well. I was trying to give her the benefit of the doubt, but now this situation confirms my thoughts. I think that Christine's return could have possibly put a damper on some of Stevie's plans for other projects. She often mentions that she wanted to be doing more for 24 Karat. So if Stevie is resentful, I would say it's because she feels FM is taking her away from what she truly wants to do. On one hand, I can understand Stevie's feelings, but I also feel she needs to make a commitment to the band or leave. Lindsey and Christine had to be all or nothing, so its only fair that the same would go for Stevie. Of course this is all speculation and none of us know for sure. I hope at the end of all of this they will eventually come together and make another album.

Yes, Lindsey said he intends to put his solo career on hold for a new FM album. Christine came back specifically for this reason. First thing she did was give Lindsey new music to work on. They're both in it 100%. Stevie, it seems, is not.

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Funny you mention him , I saw him (one of his 6 sold out shows )Last weekend , 28 songs 2 plus hours Trisha Yearwood Lots of Audience Interaction all for $55

I agree wholeheartedly that when it comes to FM, that the sum is far greater than it's parts. But if we dissect the band, that doesn't mean the parts outlay equally. Even though Christine was the hit maker of the band, she couldn't even partially fill theaters 30 years ago at the height of her fame. With some exceptions, Lindsey is in the same boat. Stevie has been the only one who could ever tour amphitheaters solo, although that boat seems to have slipped away from her this past decade. Combine all of the venues that Chris, Lindsey, and Stevie can sell on their own, and they still wouldn't equal half of what FM can do total.

So yes, Stevie is the largest draw- but FM is still far more than the sum of it's parts. The band has tried all sorts of combinations without Lindsey, without Chris, without Stevie & Lindsey, etc and it's the Rumours 5 that take this band to the next level, period.

Regarding Stevie's press gag on a new FM album, there are some very valid reasons why that could be in place. Is Stevie reticent to say there will certainly be a new album because John's continued good health may not be a given? Maybe she's worried about Chris bolting after the drama that is the road. Perhaps she's afraid that she herself may encounter too much drama on the road with the band, and will want a break afterwards. Maybe she just wants to write some new material and get it into demo form after the tour so she'll have something fresh to bring to the table. The possibilities are endless.

That being said, it IS Stevie who is holding up a new album, any way you slice it. Whether her intentions are noble, or she's dangling her participation as leverage isn't clear. I just hope something comes out of this drama, and in a timely fashion.

It would seem odd for those things to keep her from even mentioning it considering Lindsey and Christine are fine to talk about it.

The reason I want Stevie on board is because I would love to see new music with these five people. Even though Mirage and Tango were primarily written by Christine and Lindsey, we still got Gypsy, That's All Right, Straight Back, Seven Wonders. And her harmonies on the other two writers' tunes.

Lindsey is right, it's a band of chemistry and while she can be insufferable with her bloviating. She is huge in the chemistry of the band. Plus, she's singing better than I've heard since the Dance. All 3 of them are. (not to mention finances are good with her there, just like with Christine or Lindsey)

So that's why I want her on it.

If she doesn't do the album and they fire her. We might get a solid album and then see them in small intimate venues. (I'm not mad about that either.)

You are right- this whole thing boils down to Stevie pounding her chest and posturing. She's holding out for something- be it money, power, or simply just because she wants to see Lindsey squirm. I still just don't get it, though. She's gotten her most profound wish: Christine's return against all odds to buffer her & Lindsey. John's won his battle with cancer from what we can gather. Lindsey has long agreed to an outside producer. Stevie has admitted she farted out 24k Gold to brush off a contractual obligation. WTH does Stevie feel she isn't getting? :mad:

There's still one combination that has never been tried. It wouldn't be the same level, sure, but it would still be viable.

You could say that same statement on all their fab 5 albums; Fleetwood Mac, Rumors, Tusk all feature Stevie the least. Buckingham and McVie always have more songs.

Does anybody think that, in part, all the continued "drama" talk from the members of Fleetwood Mac is simply to add to a larger narrative? It's great for business to constantly be discussing the relationships and "craziness" that is the band as it is what grabs headlines. I do not for one second think that Stevie and Lindsey are anywhere near being best friends, however I do think that both are very good at heighthening their neutrality towards each other in order to keep the Fleetwood Mac saga going within the public; the ongoing troubles of Fleetwood Mac is what keeps many interested in the band.

agree, but there does seem to be this new, additional layer to the talk lately. Anyone else notice how much Stevie has latched onto this new narrative (especially since her mom died) about how she's been "raised to be independent" and "raised not to depend on any man' Now, she's said similar sorts of things off and on for years… but this seems to have become her theme for this point in time, and on this tour. Like she creates a "uniform" in terms of her outfits and hair and jewelry for each tour, she crafts a series of talking points and a narrative for each tour. This tour it's all about her independence and how she's beholden to no one. She's taken it even further in the Rolling Stone article and in the Maclean's article (see the Stevie thread for the whole article). In the Maclean's she is really feisty and says "no one has the balls to tell me what to do" blah blah blah. So it feels like there's something up, on top of just having her talking points for the tour (which I get when you do a zillion interviews for months and months-- you're not under the stress of coming up with something new every time you meet with a reporter)… she's really trying to prove something, whatever it is. Time is getting short for them to get sh*t done individually and as a team… does she feel she gave up too much along the way for the band and she's not going to do it again?? :shrug:

This is extremely easy to decipher IMHO....

Stevie is very jealous that LB got to "walk out" and come back and get all the attention that it brought when he came back in the 90's.

Then Christine leaves and gets all the love she has received this year.

Stevie wants people to beg here to stay/come back, and thank her so much for staying/recording.


When this tour ends they will go their own way (sorry). She will do some recording/touring on her own. Then somewhere around the 2017 timeline she'll be back to record, and she will expect every article to talk about how she "came back" for one more. (or she's really gonna get pissed)

This whole "i can't get along with LB" talk rings hollow to me after all these years, it's felt like she thinks she has to say that for over 10 years now. If she didn't add drama the questions would stop....what would she do then.

Just to clarify, There will absolutely be no Fleetwood Mac album without Stevie. It just wouldn't work

I guess I can agree with you that it would sell more than SYW with Stevie, but not without her.

Would it be more critically acclaimed than SYW, even without Stevie? :nod: I bet there's a good chance.

Michele

I noticed in one interview where Stevie said they spoonfed the audience attention to Christine. Which is true. They do tee Christine up to get a lot of applause, mentioning her return and then positioning YMLF so strategically. But the way Stevie said it it was like she was pointing out that they have chosen to make Christine the showcase of this tour. A suggestion that it didn't happen organically, based on an outpouring of affection for the prodigal Macster.

Michele

Very good point. I'm sure that she and Lindsey being chummy in the studio and co-writing again has her thinking that it's old times all over again.

Stevie left too. She came back at the same time as Lindsey.

That would be a dream come true.

I like Stevie and I like her songs, but I like Christine's and Lindsey's songs and their collaborations better. I liked Say You Will but never shook the feeling that it was a Lindsey solo record and a Stevie solo record on shuffle.

In my opinion, an album with Lindsey and Christine (without Stevie) would sound more like a band album than Say You Will does. Those two know how to collaborate, and have a long history of producing splendid songs together. I want to hear more of those. Stevie's harmonies on them would be good, but musically unnecessary. Two, or three, or four solo songs by Stevie, shoe-horned into a Fleetwood Mac album, would serve to satisfy the public's craving to have the 5 Rumourmacsters together again, but they might not fit too well into the work that Lindsey and Christine will put into the recording (or already have put into the recording).

And the self promotion continues.

Sigh. I'm not sure I care any longer. It all seems to be going to pot. I'm not sure why I was surprised about that.

I'll see them live this year and if that's the end, I daresay it will be a hell of a way to bow out.

Of course she'll be on the new album.
Don't get caught up in all the fake drama,
Most of which is created by fans.

She's always done her studio time separately.
(Post Rumours)
There's nothing new going on this time around.

OMG!! that's like nails on a chalk board.....